Harold Carlson wrote:
I guess 1 DSLR per show is Canon's limit ?
I think Canon usually separates the announcements.
When the 1DsII was announced in 2004, I pre-ordered it. A month later Canon announced the 20D, with the same basic sensor/image, except in a crop body. I bought that and I had it before the 1DsII arrived.
If they had announced the 20D first I might not have purchase the 1DsII (for $7,800 ... great camera though.) I was pretty happy with the 20D once I had it in my hands.
kezeka wrote:
The same people who bought the 1Ds3 for similar prices. It isn't unusual at all.
Question for you: Was there a 21mp alternative at less than half the price when the 1DSmk3 was released? It wasn't unusual at that time to fork out for the expensive pro body, but in 2014 it's not the same, there are cheaper alternatives. Seriously though, wouldnt you rather have the new sensor in a 5D body that is affordable like the D8xx cameras instead of the only Canon option being out of most people's reach? I'm sure if there was a poll the majority would agree.
Bones74 wrote:
Me? I'm plenty happy putting 18mp of 1DX goodness at 700mm (500mm + 1.4x) to "good" use, although if the 7D2 proves to be pretty decent I might be tempted.
Bones74 wrote:
Yes, yes I did It was partially tongue in cheek knowing the small "must...have....it...now...at any cost" crowd would be selling their kidneys on the black market for it, like they did with the grossly overpriced 200-400L, but also knowing that the sensible (IMO) option for Canon would be to release a super sensor in a super duper 5D body to compete with the the exmor sensor'd bodies.
I think you have answered your own question. Tongue and cheek or not.
You're quite happy using your $7000 1DX and your $9000 500L to good use. Clearly there are people out there willing to spend those sums of money on camera gear.
jcolwell wrote:
Assuming the 46 MP 1DsX is full frame, it would have the same 'sensor density' as a 27 MP 1.3x crop factor body (i.e. 1DV), and a 18 MP 1.6x CF body.
A 1DsX with 5 fps at 46 MP and 10 fps at a 1.3x 27 MP 'crop capture' would be totally awesome, dude!
I think it would have more than 5fps at FF. D810 has 5fps at 36MP and I bet this costs a ton more than the D810. It needs something to justify the $$ over a D810. 36MP vs 46MP will hardly make people go oh wow let me pay $5000+ more. It would need to match exmor DR, have super top quality 4k internally recorded and hit like 7-8fps in 46MP FF mode.
super35 wrote:
I think there is a very reasonable possibility the 1DsX will be exactly 44.7 megapixels or 8192x5461 pixels.
That is to more easily implement 4K video. The 4k production standard is 4096x2160. If you have an image sensor of 8192x5461 it is a much simpler to bin two pixels to one and end up with an image size 4096x2731 which is just a simple crop away from 4096x2160...
I agree. Psychic has already listed 42 and 46, probably avoid the true 44 count, so as to not break someone's NDA .
How on earth do you suppose that a new D810 and three or four good Nikon lenses could possibly replace my four 'front line' EOS DSLR (1DX, 1DIV, 6D, 6D), and twenty-three top-quality EF-mount lenses?
Bring it on!
Well thats a whole different story Mr and I'm looking forward to seeing the shots when you post them however you are in a very small and rarified group who has enough lenses for a whole photography club. I didn't say its not for everybody, but I know that a competitely priced camera would be more warmly welcomed by the majority.
mitesh wrote:
For $8-9k, hopefully Canon's got more on offer than just increased megapixels.
Yeah it would have to first match exmor for DR, second it would have to offer a lot more than the D810. So it needs a lot more than the 5fps of 810 and it needs true, top quality, not half-baked, 4k video and such. Otherwise I mean 8k for 46mp, fps, 2007 level DR, 1080p compressed video
kezeka wrote:
I imagine this 1Dxs is going to have a new sensor manufacturing process behind it as well, since no one believes that Canon's current one could make anything with that resolution.
The photosite density isn't any higher than the on the APS-C cams they make now, so sadly it wouldn't mean it has to be new process.
I don't see how it will actually sell unless it is though, so hopefully that means it has to be new process. I mean 8k for a few extra MP but worse quality per photosite than something at 2.5k?
Bones74 wrote:
Question for you: Was there a 21mp alternative at less than half the price when the 1DSmk3 was released? It wasn't unusual at that time to fork out for the expensive pro body, but in 2014 it's not the same, there are cheaper alternatives. Seriously though, wouldnt you rather have the new sensor in a 5D body that is affordable like the D8xx cameras instead of the only Canon option being out of most people's reach? I'm sure if there was a poll the majority would agree.
I am not saying I don't want a 5D4 for $3000 with a new super sensor. I am just saying, the 1Ds3 started and maintained a stratospheric price for most of its life, despite the 5D2 being out at the same time. Albeit, the 5D3 is way more of a competitor for the 1Dx than the 5D2 to the 1Ds3. Still, it isn't improbable that canon will do the same now.
Bones74 wrote:
Who on earth would be silly enough to pay $8-9k when you could buy a brand new D810 and 3/4 good lenses for that money This Canon is going to have to be able to arrange some sort of happy ending to be worth it IMhO the only rational way to compete with the exmor sensor'd bodies is to put a high mp sensor in a 5D style body at a competitive price... unless of course the sensor is the equal of the one in 645Z. #unlikely
I agree: "3/4 good lenses". That's the main reason why I stay with Canon: Canon's lenses are 25% better overall.
ggreene wrote:
I think you have answered your own question. Tongue and cheek or not.
You're quite happy using your $7000 1DX and your $9000 500L to good use. Clearly there are people out there willing to spend those sums of money on camera gear.
You are quite right, there a market, which I have acknowledged, however my point is that with the competition offering high mp and high DR at a "low" price, it would have been more sensible for Canon to do the same. It means Joe Average Nikon shooter, who is not a wealthy man, can afford to shoot high mp, high DR range images, while Joe Average Canon shooter, who is also not a wealthy man, doesn't have that option. There are a heck of a lot more Joe Averages out there than Rich Dudes (or successful cash rich photography businesses). This means all these Joe Average Canon shooters either have to stick with what they have or explore affordable alternative brands. Whats the number of 5Dii's sold compared to 1DSmkiii's? I'd venture to say that despite being an inferior camera body in almost every way, the 5Dii outsold the 1DSmkiii by some margin. Admittedly it will be exciting, if this camera does surface and gets into users hands, to live vicariously through their experiences
skibum5 wrote:
.... I mean 8k for a few extra MP ...
The IQ has yet to be determined (as is the 'truth' of this prediction/rumour), but to suggest that going from 18 MP or 22 MP to 46 MP is "a few extra MP" is ridiculous. Most people following this path are doing so because (like me) they're committed to the Canon EOS system. For me, this could be a major step forward.
Don't get me wrong, if this doesn't pan out, I'll probably get an A7R, but that's not a change of strategy, it's merely a temporary, mitigating tactic.
P.S. a modern 1D-series camera has a lot more to offer than just the number of pixels on its sensor.
jcolwell wrote:
The IQ has yet to be determined (as is the 'truth' of this prediction/rumour), but to suggest that going from 18 MP or 22 MP to 46 MP is "a few extra MP" is ridiculous. Most people following this path are doing so because (like me) they're committed to the Canon EOS system. For me, this could be a major step forward.
Don't get me wrong, if this doesn't pan out, I'll probably get an A7R, but that's not a change of strategy, it's merely a temporary, mitigating tactic.
P.S. a modern 1D-series camera has a lot more to offer than just the number of pixels on its sensor. ...Show more →
I meant going from the 36MP of the likely far, far less expensive D810 to the 44MP or so of the 1DsX. Are you going ot pay $5000 more just to for from 36MP to 44MP? When the 36MP are better quality MP? And if you don;t get some bonus like say top quality 4k and a higher frame rate? I wasn't talking 1DX 18MP to this. I was saying that it wouldn't make sense for the 1DsX to be only 5fps, no top quality 4k, no exmor DR, since then the only thing it would offer over the D810 is 46MP vs 36MP and it be worse for any image that needed a lot of DR. So I'd think it has to be some new sensor process and/or offer way more than 5fps FF and have super top quality 4k video. How else could it justify the bulk and $$$$$ of a 1 series otherwise?
Bones74 wrote:
Question for you: Was there a 21mp alternative at less than half the price when the 1DSmk3 was released? It wasn't unusual at that time to fork out for the expensive pro body, but in 2014 it's not the same, there are cheaper alternatives. Seriously though, wouldnt you rather have the new sensor in a 5D body that is affordable like the D8xx cameras instead of the only Canon option being out of most people's reach? I'm sure if there was a poll the majority would agree.
"if the camera makers are going to sell fewer things, they want to sell you more expensive things."
Hence, the 7D2... high end 46 MP DSLR etc etc... I bet we'll see a flurry of new camera and lens releases next year. They need to match what Sony is doing, especially in the face of a shrinking camera market.
Bones74 wrote:
You are quite right, there a market, which I have acknowledged, however my point is that with the competition offering high mp and high DR at a "low" price, it would have been more sensible for Canon to do the same. It means Joe Average Nikon shooter, who is not a wealthy man, can afford to shoot high mp, high DR range images, while Joe Average Canon shooter, who is also not a wealthy man, doesn't have that option. There are a heck of a lot more Joe Averages out there than Rich Dudes (or successful cash rich photography businesses). This means all these Joe Average Canon shooters either have to stick with what they have or explore affordable alternative brands. Whats the number of 5Dii's sold compared to 1DSmkiii's? I'd venture to say that despite being an inferior camera body in almost every way, the 5Dii outsold the 1DSmkiii by some margin. Admittedly it will be exciting, if this camera does surface and gets into users hands, to live vicariously through their experiences
Most of us are excited because this means Canon probably has a new sensor process that will likely trickle down to everything else in the lineup, including a much more reasonably priced 5D/3D/2D/4D or whatever the hell they name the high mp small sized body.
Archive 2014 · OMG - 1DsX in NYC...
It was partially tongue in cheek knowing the small "must...have....it...now...at any cost" crowd would be selling their kidneys on the black market for it, like they did with the grossly overpriced 200-400L, but also knowing that the sensible (IMO) option for Canon would be to release a super sensor in a super duper 5D body to compete with the the exmor sensor'd bodies.
IMhO the only rational way to compete with the exmor sensor'd bodies is to put a high mp sensor in a 5D style body at a competitive price... unless of course the sensor is the equal of the one in 645Z. #unlikely