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RobertLynn
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Does it record to 2 cards?
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:50 PM
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RobertLynn wrote:
Does it record to 2 cards?


Rob, if by "it" you're referring to the 7D mk II, then yes, it will have a CF card slot and an SD card slot.
Sep 17, 2014 at 09:09 PM
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AF wise I'm thinking this is Canon showing off some of it's next generation technology. It may well track and lock better then the 5D3/1DX. I would assume that the 5D4/1DX2 will step over it however. Time will tell.


Two people can go back and forth all day on whether a not yet released middle of the road camera (based on press release info only) is going to out perform that same camera manufacturers top of the line, professional camera in the same area where that top of the line camera excels.

The 7D2 sounds great and I am seriously considering pre-ordering it, but I would be more than just amazed, I would be both shocked and speechless if Canon made such a huge mistake in replacing their best, most expensive current market professional grade camera with a middle of the price road, middle of the line camera at one third the price.

Add to that, the idea that an international company is going to release their next best thing in a middle of the line product and plan on trickle up technology approach seems counter intuitive to nearly every business model I have ever seen.

But I guess we'll see watching the NFL in November, December, January and Superbowl if all the professional sports photographers have traded in their 1dX cameras for a few of the much better, more advanced and cheaper 7D2 cameras.

Well marketed specs are great . . . until reality hits and the hyped product is in the hands of the users. I hope the 7D2 turns out to be great, as I suspect I will buy one. If as you suggest that it will be better (for action - sports and BIF, etc) than the 1DX, I will gladly, even happily, eat my words publicly. If it focuses as well as my 5D3 I will be very, very happy. I find the 5D3 focuses better than the 1D4 and with the exception of fewer frames, produces both better images and a better "hit" or "keeper" rate (for me). I do like the crop's "extended" reach perception though.
Sep 17, 2014 at 09:53 PM
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Thanks for the responses. Kzoockof, I agree with you, except the 1D4 is not the top of the line anymore, and it's not unthinkable that Canon would release a prosumer model that equaled the performance of a 5 year old pro model. I think Canon did not go whole hog with the AF of the original 7D because that would have put the 7D too close to the 1D4, spec-wise. Now, with the flagship 1DX a FF, there is a larger gap in sensor size between the 1 and the 7 series, so it could make sense that Canon would allow 7D to match the 1DX in AF capability.

My head says the 7D is likely the better all-in option for birds at this point, but my heart yearns for a 1D4...
Sep 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM
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kzoockof wrote:
The 7D2 sounds great and I am seriously considering pre-ordering it, but I would be more than just amazed, I would be both shocked and speechless if Canon made such a huge mistake in replacing their best, most expensive current market professional grade camera with a middle of the price road, middle of the line camera at one third the price.


And who said the 7D2 was going to replace the 1DX? Canon certainly has not said that.

As for a middle-of-the-line camera replacing a top-of-the-line camera, it happens all the time when there is a long enough time span between a newer middle-of-the-line camera and an older top-of-the-line camera. It is called evolution.
Sep 17, 2014 at 10:23 PM
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tshore wrote:
Thanks for the responses. Kzoockof, I agree with you, except the 1D4 is not the top of the line anymore, and it's not unthinkable that Canon would release a prosumer model that equaled the performance of a 5 year old pro model. I think Canon did not go whole hog with the AF of the original 7D because that would have put the 7D too close to the 1D4, spec-wise. Now, with the flagship 1DX a FF, there is a larger gap in sensor size between the 1 and the 7 series, so it could make sense that Canon would
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Either way, I would wait until the 7D2 actually comes out before pulling the trigger on a purchase in your situation. Maybe you'll like the 7D2's photo quality just fine and maybe the AF gets lathered in accolades. Or maybe it ends up sucking for your application and the whole time you waited the 1D4's price fell a little bit more. Sounds like a win-win to me!

Or buy a 1D3, those bodies are the best deals right now for anyone shooting action. I bought one as a backup body when they were selling at $1300 and I still feel like even that was a great deal! Now I see them going for $1000 and can't believe people are passing them up for other cameras in that price range...
Sep 17, 2014 at 10:30 PM
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mitesh wrote:
RobertLynn wroteDoes it record to 2 cards?
Rob, if by "it" you're referring to the 7D mk II, then yes, it will have a CF card slot and an SD card slot.


Yes, sorry for the ambiguity. I didn't realize I was in this 7d thread.

Sep 18, 2014 at 05:24 AM
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I have 2 1DIVs which I adore but have pre-ordered a 7D II to evaluate because I shoot mostly BIF and aviation. To me, it's all about IQ and DR at ISO's up to and including 3200. If the 7DII matches or exceeds what I get from the 1DIV, that will be great, and the added benefit of having a little more reach will be appreciated. We'll see...
Sep 18, 2014 at 05:39 AM
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What about 1DX itself? how do you put or compare 7D2 to 1DX?
Sep 18, 2014 at 07:27 AM
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Hi All,

Digital Camera Polska has a series of full-sized 7D2 ISO shots to 16,000. Here are the direct links to the ISO 16,000, 12,800, and 6400 images (Warning: Large Files!)...

canon_7d_iso16000.JPG (JPEG Image, 5472x3648 pixels):
http://digitalcamerapolska.pl/download/canon_7d_mk2/canon_7d_iso16000.JPG

canon_7d_iso16000_1.JPG (JPEG Image, 5472x3648 pixels):
http://digitalcamerapolska.pl/download/canon_7d_mk2/canon_7d_iso16000_1.JPG

canon_7d_iso12800.JPG (JPEG Image, 5472x3648 pixels):
http://digitalcamerapolska.pl/download/canon_7d_mk2/canon_7d_iso12800.JPG

canon_7d_iso6400.JPG (JPEG Image, 5472x3648 pixels):
http://digitalcamerapolska.pl/download/canon_7d_mk2/canon_7d_iso6400.JPG

Full article and more sample images here, be sure to click on the image's title and not the image itself to access the full-sized JPEGs...

Canon EOS 7D Mark II [zdjęcia testowe:]
http://digitalcamerapolska.pl/strefa-sprzetu/1432-canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-zdjecia-testowe

Google Translate:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcamerapolska.pl%2Fstrefa-sprzetu%2F1432-canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-zdjecia-testowe&edit-text=

I am curious to hear how these compare to the 1D4?


Jimmy G
Sep 18, 2014 at 07:40 AM
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The 6400 full frame image looks nice to me.



7D Mark2 ISO 6400

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Sep 18, 2014 at 08:58 AM
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The 6400 full frame image looks nice to me.

h ttp://digitalcamerapolska.pl/download/canon_7d_mk2/canon_7d_iso6400.jpg


Looks a little mushy, but can't expect too much for a crop sensor.

I'm more curious how clean it is at 3200, as thats pretty much the peak I would shoot for weddings and in general.
Sep 18, 2014 at 09:07 AM
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Yaryman wrote:
The 6400 full frame image looks nice to me.

7D Mark2 ISO 6400


If you can count the hairs on their arms, the sensor must be total crap #sarcasm
Sep 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM
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tshore wrote:
Thanks for the responses. Kzoockof, I agree with you, except the 1D4 is not the top of the line anymore, and it's not unthinkable that Canon would release a prosumer model that equaled the performance of a 5 year old pro model. I think Canon did not go whole hog with the AF of the original 7D because that would have put the 7D too close to the 1D4, spec-wise. Now, with the flagship 1DX a FF, there is a larger gap in sensor size between the 1 and the 7 series, so it could make sense that Canon would
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I should have been clearer, I was refering to the 1DX. But by later referencing my feelings on the 5D3 to the 1D4 I can certainly understand that my language left a lot of room for confusion. Thanks
Sep 18, 2014 at 02:17 PM
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kzoockof wroteThe 7D2 sounds great and I am seriously considering pre-ordering it, but I would be more than just amazed, I would be both shocked and speechless if Canon made such a huge mistake in replacing their best, most expensive current market professional grade camera with a middle of the price road, middle of the line camera at one third the price.
And who said the 7D2 was going to replace the 1DX? Canon certainly has not said that.

As for a middle-of-the-line camera replacing a top-of-the-line camera, it happens all the time when there is a long enough time span between a newer middle-of-the-line camera and an older top-of-the-line camera. It is called evolution.


I would beg to differ under normal conditions. The 1DX is a two year old camera body (if I recall correctly) and remains their top of the line professional still camera.

It is rare that any company releases a new middle of the line product that is designed to out perform it's current top of the line product and do so at 1/3 the price for the same type of shooting.

Now don't get me wrong, if Canon knows all along that a new 1D Series is about to be released to far supersede the reported "specs" of the 7D2, then it may not be such a bad approach. Of course, the talk about a new 1D is hot right now, so afterall it may make sense.

What is the refresh frequency for the 1D Series? It is a convoluted answer, IMO (how many 1 Series have their been? 5? or more? It depends on how one looks at it), so maybe it is time to update the 1DX after 2 years

Then there is the issue of the 1D4 being the last of the 1 Series in a crop format and no longer a current market body. The idea that the new "proclaimed" "sport shooter" is going to be the 7D2 may make some sense - but then why not build it to better match the higher longevity standards of the 1 Series, or at least come closer and at a higher price that the public has already demonstrated a willingness to pay?

We don't know now. We won't know for a while. But some day, after the talk has settled and the gear is in hands, we will likely have a better idea based on concrete evidence and not speculative hearsay.
Sep 18, 2014 at 02:33 PM
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kzoockof wrote:
Imagemaster wrote
kzoockof wroteThe 7D2 sounds great and I am seriously considering pre-ordering it, but I would be more than just amazed, I would be both shocked and speechless if Canon made such a huge mistake in replacing their best, most expensive current market professional grade camera with a middle of the price road, middle of the line camera at one third the price.
And who said the 7D2 was going to replace the 1DX? Canon certainly has not said that.

As for a middle-of-the-line camera replacing a top-of-the-line camera, it happens all the time when there is a long enough time span between a newer middle-of-the-line camera and an older top-of-the-line camera. It is called evolution.
I would beg to differ under normal conditions. The 1DX is a two year old camera body (if I recall correctly) and remains their top of the line professional still camera.

It is rare that any company releases a new middle of the line product that is designed to out perform it's current top of the line product and do so at 1/3 the price for the same type of shooting.

Now don't get me wrong, if Canon knows all along that a new 1D Series is about to be released to far supersede the reported "specs" of the 7D2, then it
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So far the 7d II has one predecessor, the 7d. That camera was released BEFORE the 1d Mark IV, and is only now being replaced. So it might be accurate to say that the "7" series cameras actually have a LONGER market longevity than the 1 series, and perhaps even longer than the "5" series.

But the topic of this thread is the 7d II vs. 1D IV. And the 7d II, features wise, trounces the 1d IV. Image quality is very subjective, and the image quality assessments for the 7d II vs. any other camera will go on for a long time.

Unless the 7d II is a total turkey in terms of IQ, prices of used 1d IV's will plummet from their lofty state.

IMO.
Sep 18, 2014 at 04:32 PM
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kzoockof wrote:
I would beg to differ under normal conditions. The 1DX is a two year old camera body (if I recall correctly) and remains their top of the line professional still camera.

It is rare that any company releases a new middle of the line product that is designed to out perform it's current top of the line product and do so at 1/3 the price for the same type of shooting.


Did you actually read what I said?:

Imagemaster wrote:
And who said the 7D2 was going to replace the 1DX? Canon certainly has not said that.

As for a middle-of-the-line camera replacing a top-of-the-line camera, it happens all the time when there is a long enough time span between a newer middle-of-the-line camera and an older top-of-the-line camera. It is called evolution.


Now where in there did I say (or say that anyone else said) that the 7D2 would replace the 1DX

And since when does "older top-of-the-line" camera refer to Canon's newest "top-of-the-line camera"

So you are disagreeing to something I never said.
Sep 18, 2014 at 05:03 PM
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Yaryman wroteThe 6400 full frame image looks nice to me.

h ttp://digitalcamerapolska.pl/download/canon_7d_mk2/canon_7d_iso6400.jpg
Looks a little mushy, but can't expect too much for a crop sensor.

I'm more curious how clean it is at 3200, as thats pretty much the peak I would shoot for weddings and in general.


1d IV is a crop sensor, too.

One of the things that's often overlooked in these discussions is that sports shooters need good DR in their images as well. One of my problems with the 7d Mark I was blown highlights on white uniforms or losing the sky on some shots. Filters help, but IMO the camera was inferior to the 1d IV in that regard (and the 1d 3 for that matter).

I will be as interested in seeing the 7d mark iis overall IQ in bright sun as I am in seeing how it performs at 3200 or 6400 ISO.
Sep 18, 2014 at 05:24 PM
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Having spent some time on Image-resource comparometer at ISO 800 and 1600, my eye ball assessment is:

7D II way better than 7D
1D IV still significantly better than 7DII
Most importantly to Canon... 7DII significantly better than Nikon D7100

SO... If I had a 1D IV, I would hang on to it. I sold mine as for me 1Dx and 5D III was perfect pair to cover everything. But no way 7D II replaces 1Dx, 1D IV or 5D III.

And had I not just bailed out of Nikon system but was still thinking about it , I would say that 1Dx and 7D II is a better set up than D4 and D7100 and 7DII crushes D7100 if it has any buffer at all.

If you can ignore DR at ISO 100 and 200, the new Canon line up of lenses and bodies is looking pretty awesome except for missing 100-400 II.

Just my eye based opinion... Your eye may vary
Sep 19, 2014 at 07:37 AM
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billsnature wrote:
I would say that 1Dx and 7D II is a better set up than D4 and D7100 and 7DII crushes D7100 if it has any buffer at all.

If you can ignore DR at ISO 100 and 200, the new Canon line up of lenses and bodies is looking pretty awesome except for missing 100-400 II.

Just my eye based opinion... Your eye may vary


My eye agrees. I can see a lot of 1DX users picking up companion 7D2 bodies. Let's hope Canon doesn't take too long on the updated 100-400.

Sep 19, 2014 at 08:09 AM
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