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p.1 #17Dii vs 1Div
I've been considering for some time how to upgrade my sports and wildlife kit. I shoot mostly wildlife (birds primarily), along with some field sports, and a bit of landscape and this and that. My current kit is a 6D and a 7D. For field sports I use the 6D on a 300 2.8 is and the 7D on a 70-200 2.8 ISii. For birds, I use the 6D on the 300 with a 2x tc ii. I migrated from the 7D for birding because I was never that pleased with the AF of the 7D, and found the images too noisy at ISO 1600+, particularly if cropped. The 6D's IQ just seemed so much better...
I've been eyeing 1D mk iv's as a logical upgrade for the 6D for birds, and as a primary body for field sports, with the 7D as a 2nd body on the 70-200. What I want from my upgraded is: Dead-nuts AF including accurate AI servo for flappy birds flying toward me, a high frame rate, and better IQ than the 7D, esp at moderate-high ISOs. But with prices for used Mk iv's staying stubbornly around $3k, I couldn't make myself pull the trigger.
Now, the new 7Dii has me intrigued. Is the AF as good as hoped? Is it at least the equal of the Mk iv? With two DIGIC 6's at its disposal and f/8 AF capability, hopes are high... And what about IQ at ISO 1600 and further North? I've gotten used to the clean files of the 6D, and would not expect the new 7D to equal that, but if noise is 1/2 to 1 stop better than the 7D mk i, I could see pulling the trigger.
Advice from this forum? Anyone used the new 7D? It just seems so promising....
I've been eyeing 1D mk iv's as a logical upgrade for the 6D for birds, and as a primary body for field sports, with the 7D as a 2nd body on the 70-200. What I want from my upgraded is: Dead-nuts AF including accurate AI servo for flappy birds flying toward me, a high frame rate, and better IQ than the 7D, esp at moderate-high ISOs. But with prices for used Mk iv's staying stubbornly around $3k, I couldn't make myself pull the trigger.
Now, the new 7Dii has me intrigued. Is the AF as good as hoped? Is it at least the equal of the Mk iv? With two DIGIC 6's at its disposal and f/8 AF capability, hopes are high... And what about IQ at ISO 1600 and further North? I've gotten used to the clean files of the 6D, and would not expect the new 7D to equal that, but if noise is 1/2 to 1 stop better than the 7D mk i, I could see pulling the trigger.
Advice from this forum? Anyone used the new 7D? It just seems so promising....
Sep 16, 2014 at 08:44 AM
p.1 #27Dii vs 1Div
I would not do anything until more hands on reviews come in and RAW photos are available. There just is not enough "experience" with the 7D2 yet to make any informed purchase decision especially when you're putting it up against a 1D4 (a pretty high standard).
Sep 16, 2014 at 09:25 AM
p.1 #37Dii vs 1Div
Like you I've been using a full frame (5D Mark III) to shoot birds for the last couple of years. Having graduated from a 50D, the 5D Mark III AF is simply incredible but losing that 1.6 factor really hurt. I often thought of getting the 1D Mk IV but didn't. The 1D4 would gain a modest 1.3.
Based strictly on the 7D Mark II specifications, I feel it's a perfect sports/BIF camera and I didn't hesitate for one second and pre-ordered one. To me, even the 50D IQ and noise performance was adequate for BIF so I figure the old 7D IQ and noise must be equal or better than that. The internet is full of incredible 7D BIF images so I'm not sure why you feel the 7D IQ/noise is not adequate. Sure, the 5D and 6D images are better but not after you magnify them by 1.6. I truly feel that the 7D Mark II will have great IQ and noise performance, way better than the 7D based on what I can see on the 70D.
Imho, even if I can get a used 1D4 for the same price, I'd still get the 7D Mark II for the other new features and that 1.6 advantage.
Based strictly on the 7D Mark II specifications, I feel it's a perfect sports/BIF camera and I didn't hesitate for one second and pre-ordered one. To me, even the 50D IQ and noise performance was adequate for BIF so I figure the old 7D IQ and noise must be equal or better than that. The internet is full of incredible 7D BIF images so I'm not sure why you feel the 7D IQ/noise is not adequate. Sure, the 5D and 6D images are better but not after you magnify them by 1.6. I truly feel that the 7D Mark II will have great IQ and noise performance, way better than the 7D based on what I can see on the 70D.
Imho, even if I can get a used 1D4 for the same price, I'd still get the 7D Mark II for the other new features and that 1.6 advantage.
Sep 16, 2014 at 09:44 AM
p.1 #47Dii vs 1Div
I have studied the results of MTF measurements of the 1D4 and 70D with a lens as an optical system. Based on that I am predicting that the 7D Mark II will out resolve the 1D4 with every EF lens ever made (by a large 50-80% margin), and this is before considering the increased reach of the 1.6 crop vs 1.3 crop. The new AF system, buffer, and 10fps will surely be at least on par, and probably better than the 1DV.
If you are shooting sports, wildlife, or other action in good to decent light, IS0 6400 or lower, the 7D Mark II will most likely walk all over the 1D4 in real world results.
To me, the 1D4 just became a $1000 body.
If you are shooting sports, wildlife, or other action in good to decent light, IS0 6400 or lower, the 7D Mark II will most likely walk all over the 1D4 in real world results.
To me, the 1D4 just became a $1000 body.
Sep 16, 2014 at 02:12 PM
p.1 #57Dii vs 1Div
I would sell both the 6D and 7D and get a 5DIII. You will have the best IQ and the best AF in a single body. The 2X TC + 300 will give you plenty of reach.
Sep 16, 2014 at 02:21 PM
p.1 #67Dii vs 1Div
I seriously doubt 7D II will be as good as 1D IV at ISO 3200.
Sep 16, 2014 at 02:25 PM
p.1 #77Dii vs 1Div
super35 wrote:
I have studied the results of MTF measurements of the 1D4 and 70D with a lens as an optical system. Based on that I am predicting that the 7D Mark II will out resolve the 1D4 with every EF lens ever made (by a large 50-80% margin), and this is before considering the increased reach of the 1.6 crop vs 1.3 crop. The new AF system, buffer, and 10fps will surely be at least on par, and probably better than the 1DV.
If you are shooting sports, wildlife, or other action in good to decent light, IS0 6400 or lower, the...Show more →
Kind of a brash statement when no one has seen any RAW samples or any analysis or comparisons.
When the 5D II and it's successor came out, the 1Ds iii didn't become a brick/paperweight. Lets keep our pants on for just a little longer before junking the 1D IV. MTF charts, as you know, are just computer generated best guesses. Results from real photographers are what we need to see. I might just pass and save the cash for the next gen 1Dx.
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I have studied the results of MTF measurements of the 1D4 and 70D with a lens as an optical system. Based on that I am predicting that the 7D Mark II will out resolve the 1D4 with every EF lens ever made (by a large 50-80% margin), and this is before considering the increased reach of the 1.6 crop vs 1.3 crop. The new AF system, buffer, and 10fps will surely be at least on par, and probably better than the 1DV.
If you are shooting sports, wildlife, or other action in good to decent light, IS0 6400 or lower, the...Show more →
Kind of a brash statement when no one has seen any RAW samples or any analysis or comparisons.
When the 5D II and it's successor came out, the 1Ds iii didn't become a brick/paperweight. Lets keep our pants on for just a little longer before junking the 1D IV. MTF charts, as you know, are just computer generated best guesses. Results from real photographers are what we need to see. I might just pass and save the cash for the next gen 1Dx.
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Sep 16, 2014 at 02:30 PM
p.1 #87Dii vs 1Div
I will gladly replace my 1D3 with someone's 1D4 if they sell it to me for $1000 
Sep 16, 2014 at 02:38 PM
p.1 #97Dii vs 1Div
mogud wrote:
I might just pass and save the cash for the next gen 1Dx.
Good idea.
And If the 1DX Mark II has 51.7 megapixels, you will get a 7D Mark II for free
I might just pass and save the cash for the next gen 1Dx.
Good idea.
And If the 1DX Mark II has 51.7 megapixels, you will get a 7D Mark II for free Sep 16, 2014 at 02:59 PM
p.1 #107Dii vs 1Div
mogud wrote:
.....I might just pass and save the cash for the next gen 1Dx.
+1
.....I might just pass and save the cash for the next gen 1Dx.
+1
Sep 16, 2014 at 03:35 PM
p.1 #117Dii vs 1Div
I get more keepers with the 1div than with the 5d3 despite it's supposed better AF. Maybe it's just me.
Sep 16, 2014 at 03:49 PM
p.1 #127Dii vs 1Div
Milan Hutera wrote:
I seriously doubt 7D II will be as good as 1D IV at ISO 3200.
The laws of physics speak against.
70D sensor and 1dmk4 has about the same QE,44-45%. to compensate the bigger sensor area in 1dmk4 the 7Dmk2 must increase the QE equivalent to1,5 stop to be good as 1dmk4 which is not possible even with thinner CFA, new micro lenses etc
and color accuracy at daylight would be worse than it is now
I seriously doubt 7D II will be as good as 1D IV at ISO 3200.
The laws of physics speak against.
70D sensor and 1dmk4 has about the same QE,44-45%. to compensate the bigger sensor area in 1dmk4 the 7Dmk2 must increase the QE equivalent to1,5 stop to be good as 1dmk4 which is not possible even with thinner CFA, new micro lenses etc
and color accuracy at daylight would be worse than it is now
Sep 16, 2014 at 04:23 PM
p.1 #147Dii vs 1Div
7dmk2 sensor is the same as the D70. even if some changes are made Canon can not improve QE as much as it would compensate 1dmk4 larger sensor surface with out making the 7dmk2 color blind, black & white
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Sep 16, 2014 at 04:38 PM
p.1 #157Dii vs 1Div
dolina wrote:
First camera is from 2009 and the other is from 2014.
I look at this in a different way; the 1DIV is from my dry cabinet and the 7DII is from a shop.
First camera is from 2009 and the other is from 2014.
I look at this in a different way; the 1DIV is from my dry cabinet and the 7DII is from a shop.
Sep 16, 2014 at 04:40 PM
p.1 #167Dii vs 1Div
GC5 wrote:
I get more keepers with the 1div than with the 5d3 despite it's supposed better AF. Maybe it's just me.
There are days I feel the same even with an older 1D3. I think it comes down to me never having any idea how to just get the 5D3's AF set to "get most objects, still moving or otherwise, in focus" settings. Too many options to choose from
I get more keepers with the 1div than with the 5d3 despite it's supposed better AF. Maybe it's just me.
There are days I feel the same even with an older 1D3. I think it comes down to me never having any idea how to just get the 5D3's AF set to "get most objects, still moving or otherwise, in focus" settings. Too many options to choose from
Sep 16, 2014 at 05:07 PM
p.1 #177Dii vs 1Div
wait till 7d3 comes out if you don't 'need' it right now.. you waited out until now, why wait couple more years 
I'll stick with what works 'now'.
/r
Andy
I'll stick with what works 'now'./r
Andy
Sep 16, 2014 at 05:13 PM
p.1 #187Dii vs 1Div
GC5 wrote:
I get more keepers with the 1div than with the 5d3 despite it's supposed better AF. Maybe it's just me.
While I can't say I got more keepers on my 1D4 then my 1DX it's pretty close. The 1D4 AF is solid. I doubt it's just you.
I get more keepers with the 1div than with the 5d3 despite it's supposed better AF. Maybe it's just me.
While I can't say I got more keepers on my 1D4 then my 1DX it's pretty close. The 1D4 AF is solid. I doubt it's just you.
Sep 16, 2014 at 07:54 PM
p.1 #197Dii vs 1Div
tshore wrote:
I've been considering for some time how to upgrade my sports and wildlife kit. I shoot mostly wildlife (birds primarily), along with some field sports, and a bit of landscape and this and that. My current kit is a 6D and a 7D. For field sports I use the 6D on a 300 2.8 is and the 7D on a 70-200 2.8 ISii. For birds, I use the 6D on the 300 with a 2x tc ii. I migrated from the 7D for birding because I was never that pleased with the AF of the 7D, and found the images...Show more →
Well, I'd say get in line with everyone else. These are questions that many of us have, and the answers will have to wait until the camera can get into non-biased hands for review. That won't stop people who have never touched this camera from giving you and "informed" opinion.
I've been considering for some time how to upgrade my sports and wildlife kit. I shoot mostly wildlife (birds primarily), along with some field sports, and a bit of landscape and this and that. My current kit is a 6D and a 7D. For field sports I use the 6D on a 300 2.8 is and the 7D on a 70-200 2.8 ISii. For birds, I use the 6D on the 300 with a 2x tc ii. I migrated from the 7D for birding because I was never that pleased with the AF of the 7D, and found the images...Show more →
Well, I'd say get in line with everyone else. These are questions that many of us have, and the answers will have to wait until the camera can get into non-biased hands for review. That won't stop people who have never touched this camera from giving you and "informed" opinion.
Sep 16, 2014 at 08:06 PM
p.1 #207Dii vs 1Div
macrobild wrote:
7dmk2 sensor is the same as the D70. even if some changes are made Canon can not improve QE as much as it would compensate 1dmk4 larger sensor surface with out making the 7dmk2 color blind, black & white
I've seen people say it was the same sensor, and other say it wasn't.
Do you have a link that says it's the same?
Just hoping it's not.
7dmk2 sensor is the same as the D70. even if some changes are made Canon can not improve QE as much as it would compensate 1dmk4 larger sensor surface with out making the 7dmk2 color blind, black & white
I've seen people say it was the same sensor, and other say it wasn't.
Do you have a link that says it's the same?
Just hoping it's not.
Sep 16, 2014 at 09:28 PM