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p.2 #17Dii vs 1Div
Thanks for the replies. As I expected they ran the gamut. The 5D3 Is an interesting option, but I need fast frames more than I need full frames in this body, so the 5 iii does not quite fit the bill. For another $3k the 1Dx gives me a bigger sensor that I will crop away anyway. I can live with a smaller sensor and invest the difference in glass. One thing makes me leant toward the 1D option. It's available now, and football season is here already.
Sep 16, 2014 at 09:38 PM
p.2 #27Dii vs 1Div
Kmccarthy wrote:
I would sell both the 6D and 7D and get a 5DIII. You will have the best IQ and the best AF in a single body. The 2X TC + 300 will give you plenty of reach.
No you won't. You are leaving out the 1DX. And plenty of reach with a 300 + 2X TC on a FF is a matter of opinion.
I would sell both the 6D and 7D and get a 5DIII. You will have the best IQ and the best AF in a single body. The 2X TC + 300 will give you plenty of reach.
No you won't. You are leaving out the 1DX. And plenty of reach with a 300 + 2X TC on a FF is a matter of opinion.
Sep 16, 2014 at 09:50 PM
p.2 #37Dii vs 1Div
Don't know why you are asking about AF on a 7D2 when it isn't even on retailers' shelves yet.
If you want a camera now, pick up a 1D4.
If you want a camera now, pick up a 1D4.
Sep 16, 2014 at 09:53 PM
p.2 #47Dii vs 1Div
dolina wrote:
First camera is from 2009 and the other is from 2014.
I seem to be missing your point. :-D
First camera is from 2009 and the other is from 2014.
I seem to be missing your point. :-D
Sep 16, 2014 at 10:35 PM
p.2 #57Dii vs 1Div
Although the 7DII has my attention, I doubt it will be "all that" for us full-time pros. I have a 7D now (as well as a 1d3/4/X & 5D3). Never liked the files, never really liked the way they looked compared to my 1D**. Therefore it sits in my cabinet for emergency use only. I can't see Canon making a $1799 camera so good that it would cause their 5d3 or 1Dx customers to take a chance on it instead of forking out more $$ on the pro models. I hope I'm wrong the 7DII looks to be a very nice camera.
Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM
p.2 #67Dii vs 1Div
Ralph Thompson wrote:
I can't see Canon making a $1799 camera so good that it would cause their 5d3 or 1Dx customers to take a chance on it instead of forking out more $$ on the pro models. I hope I'm wrong the 7DII looks to be a very nice camera.
The 5Dmk3 is now more than 2 years old. Seems like an $1800 camera should have a senor just as good.
If you want a full frame you buy the 5Dmk3, if you want a crop sensor you buy the 7Dmk2.
Again, nobody knows yet. Just hoping the new 7D sensor yields files as good the 5dmk3.
I can't see Canon making a $1799 camera so good that it would cause their 5d3 or 1Dx customers to take a chance on it instead of forking out more $$ on the pro models. I hope I'm wrong the 7DII looks to be a very nice camera.
The 5Dmk3 is now more than 2 years old. Seems like an $1800 camera should have a senor just as good.
If you want a full frame you buy the 5Dmk3, if you want a crop sensor you buy the 7Dmk2.
Again, nobody knows yet. Just hoping the new 7D sensor yields files as good the 5dmk3.
Sep 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM
p.2 #77Dii vs 1Div
Yaryman wrote:
The 5Dmk3 is now more than 2 years old. Seems like an $1800 camera should have a senor just as good.
If you want a full frame you buy the 5Dmk3, if you want a crop sensor you buy the 7Dmk2.
Again, nobody knows yet. Just hoping the new 7D sensor yields files as good the 5dmk3.
I don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF. If it has AF as good as the 5DIII and less noise than the current, with the FPS and 1.6 crop then it is going to be great for sports and wildlife.
Ralph Thompson wrote
I can't see Canon making a $1799 camera so good that it would cause their 5d3 or 1Dx customers to take a chance on it instead of forking out more $$ on the pro models. I hope I'm wrong the 7DII looks to be a very nice camera.If you want a full frame you buy the 5Dmk3, if you want a crop sensor you buy the 7Dmk2.
Again, nobody knows yet. Just hoping the new 7D sensor yields files as good the 5dmk3.
I don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF. If it has AF as good as the 5DIII and less noise than the current, with the FPS and 1.6 crop then it is going to be great for sports and wildlife.
Sep 17, 2014 at 12:03 AM
p.2 #87Dii vs 1Div
Kmccarthy wrote:
I would sell both the 6D and 7D and get a 5DIII. You will have the best IQ and the best AF in a single body. The 2X TC + 300 will give you plenty of reach.
With the dual processors and new sensor, the 7D2 is supposed to have 1DX AF system, as in faster, and the new sensor might mean almost similar IQ at lower ISOs as well as F/8 support.
So the 7D2 with 2xTC and 300 will give you better results and better reach.
Supposedly. We still need to see reviews for it.
I would sell both the 6D and 7D and get a 5DIII. You will have the best IQ and the best AF in a single body. The 2X TC + 300 will give you plenty of reach.
With the dual processors and new sensor, the 7D2 is supposed to have 1DX AF system, as in faster, and the new sensor might mean almost similar IQ at lower ISOs as well as F/8 support.
So the 7D2 with 2xTC and 300 will give you better results and better reach.
Supposedly. We still need to see reviews for it.
Sep 17, 2014 at 12:03 AM
p.2 #97Dii vs 1Div
super35 says:
the 7D Mark II will most likely walk all over the 1D4 in real world results.
As a coveted 1D Mark IV owner for 5 years who still highly values this camera and its extraordinary capabilities, I will remember this statement. And look forward to side by side tests in the near future. Feature wise. The 7DII is exceptional. In regards to quality. Welllllll.....we'll just wait and see. Wuts that saying I've heard before...."Fools rush in"...yea that's it.
John
the 7D Mark II will most likely walk all over the 1D4 in real world results.
As a coveted 1D Mark IV owner for 5 years who still highly values this camera and its extraordinary capabilities, I will remember this statement. And look forward to side by side tests in the near future. Feature wise. The 7DII is exceptional. In regards to quality. Welllllll.....we'll just wait and see. Wuts that saying I've heard before...."Fools rush in"...yea that's it.
John
Sep 17, 2014 at 05:33 AM
p.2 #107Dii vs 1Div
Kathy White wrote:
don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF.
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.
don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF.
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.
Sep 17, 2014 at 05:43 AM
p.2 #117Dii vs 1Div
ggreene says:
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.
Exactly! If the files and focusing from the 7DII with the extended reach and resolution match the Mark IV at a fraction of the cost, it would be a success IMO.
Waiting anxiously for comparison photos.
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.
Exactly! If the files and focusing from the 7DII with the extended reach and resolution match the Mark IV at a fraction of the cost, it would be a success IMO.
Waiting anxiously for comparison photos.
Sep 17, 2014 at 06:36 AM
p.2 #127Dii vs 1Div
ggreene wrote:
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.
Again, we are all just speculating, BUT.
What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.
Kathy White wrote
don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF.Again, we are all just speculating, BUT.
What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.
Sep 17, 2014 at 07:06 AM
p.2 #137Dii vs 1Div
Yaryman wrote:
Again, we are all just speculating, BUT.
What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.
As a former owner of the 1D4 it had pretty nice IQ so I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that its files were not so great. If the 7D2 can match the 1D4 for high ISO then Canon will never be able to keep up with demand.
Again, we are all just speculating, BUT.
What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.
As a former owner of the 1D4 it had pretty nice IQ so I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that its files were not so great. If the 7D2 can match the 1D4 for high ISO then Canon will never be able to keep up with demand.
Sep 17, 2014 at 07:23 AM
p.2 #147Dii vs 1Div
ggreene wrote:
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.
I've got one ordered, if I don't change my mine, but my 1DIV is staying until I know I prefer the 7d2 to it. I've been pretty happy with the 5D3 and 1DIV combo.
Having lived thru the 5D2, I just can't see Canon releasing a camera at that price point with AF equal to the 1dX and files as equal to the 5D3.
Kathy White wrote
don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF.I've got one ordered, if I don't change my mine, but my 1DIV is staying until I know I prefer the 7d2 to it. I've been pretty happy with the 5D3 and 1DIV combo.
Having lived thru the 5D2, I just can't see Canon releasing a camera at that price point with AF equal to the 1dX and files as equal to the 5D3.
Sep 17, 2014 at 07:35 AM
p.2 #157Dii vs 1Div
+1 to Kathy. I have a 7D II on pre-order, but I will hold on to my Mark IV to rule out all the speculation.
Sep 17, 2014 at 07:53 AM
p.2 #167Dii vs 1Div
Kathy White wrote:
If it could match the 1D4 I would be pretty happy.I've got one ordered, if I don't change my mine, but my 1DIV is staying until I know I prefer the 7d2 to it. I've been pretty happy with the 5D3 and 1DIV combo.
Having lived thru the 5D2, I just can't see Canon releasing a camera at that price point with AF equal to the 1dX and files as equal to the 5D3.
Smart, Kathy!
"On paper" the 7D2 looks to be the equal of the 1D4 in IQ, and looks to be its superior in AF and video (to name only a few features it seems great in).
I think it is dreaming, as one poster mentioned, to think the 7D2 will rival the FF 5D3 in IQ (or 1Ds3, for that matter). It's just not going to match the FF lusciousness. But it should be very close at APS-C and 20MP to the 1D4's APS-H and 16MP for resolution and noise. I'd expect the 7D2 to do better at high ISO based on recent Canon developments (since the 1D4).
I don't need 10 FPS, but the features like AF, 20MP and high ISO make me want it when I think back to my old 8MP 20D!! I had a lot of work done with that old beast before buying a 5D, so this new 7D2 looks wonderful.
Anxious to hear how you like it after it is released.
ggreene wrote
Kathy White wrote
don't think it is very likely that the files will be as good as the FF 5D3 or 1DX. I think they will be much improved over the current 7D and with much better AF.Having lived thru the 5D2, I just can't see Canon releasing a camera at that price point with AF equal to the 1dX and files as equal to the 5D3.
Smart, Kathy!
"On paper" the 7D2 looks to be the equal of the 1D4 in IQ, and looks to be its superior in AF and video (to name only a few features it seems great in).
I think it is dreaming, as one poster mentioned, to think the 7D2 will rival the FF 5D3 in IQ (or 1Ds3, for that matter). It's just not going to match the FF lusciousness. But it should be very close at APS-C and 20MP to the 1D4's APS-H and 16MP for resolution and noise. I'd expect the 7D2 to do better at high ISO based on recent Canon developments (since the 1D4).
I don't need 10 FPS, but the features like AF, 20MP and high ISO make me want it when I think back to my old 8MP 20D!! I had a lot of work done with that old beast before buying a 5D, so this new 7D2 looks wonderful.
Anxious to hear how you like it after it is released.
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:02 AM
p.2 #177Dii vs 1Div
Prediction - those holding on to their 1d iv's will regret it as the resale market for these cams plummets. 7d2 does everything the 1d iv does, and does useful things that no other camera does.
The good news is that the 1d IV won't stop being a great camera, even if it is surpassed by the 7d2.
The good news is that the 1d IV won't stop being a great camera, even if it is surpassed by the 7d2.
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:05 AM
p.2 #187Dii vs 1Div
ggreene hit it again saying:Canon will never be able to keep up with demand.
All it has to do is give us minimum same noise, same focusing and same quality with extended reach of 1.6 as we get with 1.3 with the Mark IV. It's simple really. If not. Then why would I get rid of my trusted IV? Or anyone else? Those of us not wanting to spend 1000's on super heaavy telephotos would welcome the extra reach at the lower cost but not suffer in quality and focusing. Bring on the raw comparisons!
All it has to do is give us minimum same noise, same focusing and same quality with extended reach of 1.6 as we get with 1.3 with the Mark IV. It's simple really. If not. Then why would I get rid of my trusted IV? Or anyone else? Those of us not wanting to spend 1000's on super heaavy telephotos would welcome the extra reach at the lower cost but not suffer in quality and focusing. Bring on the raw comparisons!
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:10 AM
p.2 #197Dii vs 1Div
kapytalyst wrote:
Prediction - those holding on to their 1d iv's will regret it as the resale market for these cams plummets. 7d2 does everything the 1d iv does, and does useful things that no other camera does.
The good news is that the 1d IV won't stop being a great camera, even if it is surpassed by the 7d2.
I'd rather have regrets on a money loss than regrets on selling a fantastic camera that I know works great and be in a position of looking for another one just as good. I sold my 5DII early for just this reason and yes, it worked out great with the 5DIII, but I got 1,800 for mine and they are still selling for around 1,200 years later.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe the 1DIV will take too hard a hit because there will always be people who prefer a 1D body. The 1DIII has pretty much held it's own over the last few years, and even I much preferred it to the current 7D. I'm petite, and I use the 1DIV in spite of it's size. I would love to have a smaller body that would equal it or better it, I just don't believe we are to a point that a crop sensor will be as good, or better than a FF.
Prediction - those holding on to their 1d iv's will regret it as the resale market for these cams plummets. 7d2 does everything the 1d iv does, and does useful things that no other camera does.
The good news is that the 1d IV won't stop being a great camera, even if it is surpassed by the 7d2.
I'd rather have regrets on a money loss than regrets on selling a fantastic camera that I know works great and be in a position of looking for another one just as good. I sold my 5DII early for just this reason and yes, it worked out great with the 5DIII, but I got 1,800 for mine and they are still selling for around 1,200 years later.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe the 1DIV will take too hard a hit because there will always be people who prefer a 1D body. The 1DIII has pretty much held it's own over the last few years, and even I much preferred it to the current 7D. I'm petite, and I use the 1DIV in spite of it's size. I would love to have a smaller body that would equal it or better it, I just don't believe we are to a point that a crop sensor will be as good, or better than a FF.
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:32 AM
p.2 #207Dii vs 1Div
ggreene wrote:
What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.As a former owner of the 1D4 it had pretty nice IQ so I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that its files were not so great. If the 7D2 can match the 1D4 for high ISO then Canon will never be able to keep up with demand.
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
Yaryman wrote
Again, we are all just speculating, BUT.What would be the point of the 7Dmk2 if it has an auto focus system the matches the 1DX yet yields files the match the 1D4?
What is the selling point? It focuses great, with files that are not so great.
If the new camera doesn't produce files very close to the 5Dmk3 ( better than the 1Dmk4 ) it is almost dead on arrival.
I shoot with both a 1D4 and 5D3 together. The 5D3 has nicer files.
What's the selling point of a new camera model for $1800 that has files equal to a 5 year old camera?
Sep 17, 2014 at 08:58 AM