Sony FE Images Thread
p.1427 #2Sony FE Images Thread
Chris_88 wrote:
Greggf: Nice bokeh, as always. I like the indifferent look above.
Ronny: All those shots from Iceland are very impressive. If it wasn't that far away, I'd seriously considering going at some point.
Rene: Beautiful landscape. Initially, I thought European winters had become really warm, before realizing that this shot was taken in May
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Helena: Wonderful series. You have an amazing eye.
Werner: Excellent composition.
Harry: Those are great shots with the big Tammy.
Joshua: The lightning in those shots from Rome is breathtaking.
Charles: Another beautiful portrait of your better half. Looking forward to your work with the 85 GM.
Here is something different for a...Show more →
Killer crane shots Chris. Douglas
Greggf: Nice bokeh, as always. I like the indifferent look above.
Ronny: All those shots from Iceland are very impressive. If it wasn't that far away, I'd seriously considering going at some point.
Rene: Beautiful landscape. Initially, I thought European winters had become really warm, before realizing that this shot was taken in May
.Helena: Wonderful series. You have an amazing eye.
Werner: Excellent composition.
Harry: Those are great shots with the big Tammy.
Joshua: The lightning in those shots from Rome is breathtaking.
Charles: Another beautiful portrait of your better half. Looking forward to your work with the 85 GM.
Here is something different for a...Show more →
Killer crane shots Chris. Douglas
Feb 13, 2016 at 08:27 PM
p.1427 #4Sony FE Images Thread
Cold weather (high of 19 degrees fahrenheit today) waterfall--Dry Falls in Highlands, NC.
A7r2 with FE 35/2.8 at F8 with 6 stop ND and Polarizer (Breakthrough Photography):
A7r2 with Leica Wate, ND filter:
A7r2 with FE 35/2.8 at F8 with 6 stop ND and Polarizer (Breakthrough Photography):
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Feb 13, 2016 at 09:38 PM
p.1427 #5Sony FE Images Thread
Went on a cold sunset walk tonight. This was captured with my a7r and my recently acquired sony FE 70-200 f/4. I'm really loving this lens
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Feb 13, 2016 at 09:40 PM
p.1427 #6Sony FE Images Thread
Luvwine - what do you think of those filters? Do they really have zero color cast (as advertised) with long exposures?
Feb 13, 2016 at 10:26 PM
p.1427 #7Sony FE Images Thread
ManuelLaMantia wrote:
Hello guys, returned from my short trip to Venice with Joshua and his friends, now it is time to congratulate with you for the incredible last few pages: Bob (in color & in BW), Renè, Werner, Ronny, Charles, Daniel, Jordan, Peire (especially for cats), Helena, mcbroomf, Butch, Gregg, Phillip, Chris and all other travel friends here on FM (sorry if I didn't mention all names, too long list)
Ahhh... and of course my congratulation also to my Jedi Master Joshua
From me, here a couple of grabs between lot of masks
Manuel
Manuel, we learned together and from each other. It was really great to finally meet you and spending time shooting together with you. For whatever reasons, I cannot see your images here at the airport in Rome. Anyway, I will be home soon and I can view your images then and a few others that somehow got blocked. Thanks!
Hello guys, returned from my short trip to Venice with Joshua and his friends, now it is time to congratulate with you for the incredible last few pages: Bob (in color & in BW), Renè, Werner, Ronny, Charles, Daniel, Jordan, Peire (especially for cats), Helena, mcbroomf, Butch, Gregg, Phillip, Chris and all other travel friends here on FM (sorry if I didn't mention all names, too long list)
Ahhh... and of course my congratulation also to my Jedi Master Joshua
From me, here a couple of grabs between lot of masks
Manuel
Manuel, we learned together and from each other. It was really great to finally meet you and spending time shooting together with you. For whatever reasons, I cannot see your images here at the airport in Rome. Anyway, I will be home soon and I can view your images then and a few others that somehow got blocked. Thanks!
Feb 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM
p.1427 #8Sony FE Images Thread
kdrk888 wrote:
Killer crane shots Chris. Douglas
Thank you for the praise, Douglas. More to come soon.
Killer crane shots Chris. Douglas
Thank you for the praise, Douglas. More to come soon
.Feb 14, 2016 at 12:11 AM
p.1427 #9Sony FE Images Thread
Thank you Chris and Manual for the kind words and all the likes
So many superb shots ... !!!
Manual amazing shots !
Luwine, wonderful captures with the WATE
Helena, always love your shots! I don't even need to see you name as you have such unique style
Chris 88, great captures of the cranes.
Gregg, wonderful shots. The 50 Cron IV is still one of my favorite 50's
Bob, loving your shots with the Loxia 21 and CV 15 !
Rene, superb images
Shots this afternoon at the Harvest Moon Cafe
A7rII and FE 35/1.4 @ f/1.4
So many superb shots ... !!!
Manual amazing shots !
Luwine, wonderful captures with the WATE
Helena, always love your shots! I don't even need to see you name as you have such unique style
Chris 88, great captures of the cranes.
Gregg, wonderful shots. The 50 Cron IV is still one of my favorite 50's
Bob, loving your shots with the Loxia 21 and CV 15 !
Rene, superb images
Shots this afternoon at the Harvest Moon Cafe
A7rII and FE 35/1.4 @ f/1.4
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Feb 14, 2016 at 02:03 AM
p.1427 #10Sony FE Images Thread
a7, FE 55/1.8
Untitled by Pepijn Sauer, on Flickr
Untitled by Pepijn Sauer, on Flickr
Feb 14, 2016 at 02:48 AM
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p.1427 #11Sony FE Images Thread
There is also a new Voigtlander 5.6/12 Review on my blog. Might be interesting for some of you
Feb 14, 2016 at 03:12 AM
p.1427 #12Sony FE Images Thread
Samuli Vahonen wrote:
I have now tested this with A7r (not shown here) and A7 (shown below, and fullsize attached).
It'll be interesting to see how the lens works for you on the A7 cameras.Thanks for providing test scenario. I did shoot some other tests and the scenario you mentioned. My ZE1.4/50 does not have similar field curvature as the 2 copies you tested and described above; the thick sensor glass effect can only seen on very corner of the image, outside the red ring in photo below. For sure the "normal" field curvature of ZE1.4/50 is also much worse than it was with Canon sensor cover glass, but it won't come from 15m to few meters...Show more →
Interesting Samuli. It would be weird if your ZE version behaves differently. Here is the fullsize tree example:
EXAMPLE
This is shot at F5.6. Look how the focus goes from the close foreground to the center of the tree and back again. The top of the tree is completely out of focus. Also look at how fast it goes from in focus to completely out of focus there. An indication of strong field curvature. My 2 copies both did this exactly the same.
Jochenb wrote
I tried 2 different copies of the 50/1.4 ZF.2 on my A7 cameras and both were exactly the same. No misalignment or decentering, only that more pronounced curved focus plane. Even on the 12MP A7S. Because of this I also tried more than one adapter... but still the same results.Jochenb wrote
It's also very noticeable when shooting in portrait orientation. For example: when I shoot a larger free standing tree that's at a distance of +15m and focus on the center of the tree... The zone of focus goes from almost my feet to the center of the tree and back towards me at the top. The bottom and top of the tree are out of focus. With careful focus you can get the whole tree in focus, but the focal plane is always much more curved than when I used the lens on a Canon camera. I hardly had any weird surprised, just like you. It was great for landscapes. Most ZE/ZF lenses that I shot on the A7 were fine, but this one and the 18 are most problematic for me.It'll be interesting to see how the lens works for you on the A7 cameras.
Interesting Samuli. It would be weird if your ZE version behaves differently. Here is the fullsize tree example:
EXAMPLE
This is shot at F5.6. Look how the focus goes from the close foreground to the center of the tree and back again. The top of the tree is completely out of focus. Also look at how fast it goes from in focus to completely out of focus there. An indication of strong field curvature. My 2 copies both did this exactly the same.
Feb 14, 2016 at 03:18 AM
p.1427 #13Sony FE Images Thread
Jochenb wrote:
I have now tested this with A7r (not shown here) and A7 (shown below, and fullsize attached).
It'll be interesting to see how the lens works for you on the A7 cameras.Thanks for providing test scenario. I did shoot some other tests and the scenario you mentioned. My ZE1.4/50 does not have similar field curvature as the 2 copies you tested and described above; the thick sensor glass effect can only seen on very corner of the image, outside the red ring in photo below. For sure the "normal" field curvature of ZE1.4/50 is also much worse than it was with Canon sensor cover glass, but it won't come from 15m to few meters like yours.
f/2.8, focus to center of image (the tree), camera lens axis ~170cm from ground
http://vahonen.info/photos/temp/[email protected]_1per320s_ISO100_A7.r2.59_1_1.31_1_k132_W_H0_b2.5_g2.22_3.8.20_0.15_Lanczos2_1280_0.3_1.0.jpg
Link to fullsize image: 7M JPG
I hope that Kolari thin cover glass will also improve overall performance of ZE1.4/50. At large distances it's much worse than it was in 5DmkII, with which this lens was usable for landscape photography starting from f/2.8.
SamuliInteresting Samuli. It would be weird if your ZE version behaves differently. Here is the fullsize tree example:
EXAMPLE
This is shot at F5.6. Look how the focus goes from the close foreground to the center of the tree and back again. The top of the tree is completely out of focus. Also look at how fast it goes from in focus to completely out of focus there. An indication of strong field curvature. My 2 copies both did this exactly the same.
This doesn't have to be a contradiction. If a lens-camera-combination has this kind of FC, the focus point has often a huge influcence. My guess is that Samuli just focused a little bit more towards infinity while Jochen focused more towards the foreground. I know this lens behavior from my 15mm ZF.2 on the D800E. And that's the main reason why I don't like this lens. My 1.4/50mm ZF.2 doesn't show this behavior at all on my D800E. It looks like I won't use this lens on the A7RII.
And thanks to Samuli and Jochen for the interesting discussion and image samples.
Boris
Samuli Vahonen wrote
Jochenb wrote
I tried 2 different copies of the 50/1.4 ZF.2 on my A7 cameras and both were exactly the same. No misalignment or decentering, only that more pronounced curved focus plane. Even on the 12MP A7S. Because of this I also tried more than one adapter... but still the same results.Jochenb wrote
It's also very noticeable when shooting in portrait orientation. For example: when I shoot a larger free standing tree that's at a distance of +15m and focus on the center of the tree... The zone of focus goes from almost my feet to the center of the tree and back towards me at the top. The bottom and top of the tree are out of focus. With careful focus you can get the whole tree in focus, but the focal plane is always much more curved than when I used the lens on a Canon camera. I hardly had any weird surprised, just like you. It was great for landscapes. Most ZE/ZF lenses that I shot on the A7 were fine, but this one and the 18 are most problematic for me.It'll be interesting to see how the lens works for you on the A7 cameras.
f/2.8, focus to center of image (the tree), camera lens axis ~170cm from ground
http://vahonen.info/photos/temp/[email protected]_1per320s_ISO100_A7.r2.59_1_1.31_1_k132_W_H0_b2.5_g2.22_3.8.20_0.15_Lanczos2_1280_0.3_1.0.jpg
Link to fullsize image: 7M JPG
I hope that Kolari thin cover glass will also improve overall performance of ZE1.4/50. At large distances it's much worse than it was in 5DmkII, with which this lens was usable for landscape photography starting from f/2.8.
Samuli
EXAMPLE
This is shot at F5.6. Look how the focus goes from the close foreground to the center of the tree and back again. The top of the tree is completely out of focus. Also look at how fast it goes from in focus to completely out of focus there. An indication of strong field curvature. My 2 copies both did this exactly the same.
This doesn't have to be a contradiction. If a lens-camera-combination has this kind of FC, the focus point has often a huge influcence. My guess is that Samuli just focused a little bit more towards infinity while Jochen focused more towards the foreground. I know this lens behavior from my 15mm ZF.2 on the D800E. And that's the main reason why I don't like this lens. My 1.4/50mm ZF.2 doesn't show this behavior at all on my D800E. It looks like I won't use this lens on the A7RII.
And thanks to Samuli and Jochen for the interesting discussion and image samples.
Boris
Feb 14, 2016 at 03:36 AM
p.1427 #15Sony FE Images Thread
Surface by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
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Feb 14, 2016 at 04:19 AM
p.1427 #17Sony FE Images Thread
It was a chilly,dull day yesterday,but I decided to visit a little village,hidden in the ravine,with old ruined palace surrounded by moat and abandoned cemetery chapel.The Lieca Vario-Elmar R 35-70/4.0 was taken out for the first time,coupled with the A7R.That zoom is really outstanding - the best 35-70 I have tested so far.Better than the Vario-Sonnar 35-70/3.5 C/Y and Minolta MD Macro 35-70/3.5.Sharp across the frame wide open at any focal lenght and very sharp/contrasty stopped down by 1f stop.Only a trace of softness in the farthest corners wo at 35mm and some distortion there,but the overall IQ is prime-like.Negligible amount of CA.Very good macro.
A7R+Vario Elmar R 35-70/4.0
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A7R+Vario Elmar R 35-70/4.0
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Feb 14, 2016 at 05:00 AM
p.1427 #18Sony FE Images Thread
Peire: I like your images as such, but on my monitor they look very washed out, at least 1-1,5 stops too bright...
Some more from from the aquatic world...
Some more from from the aquatic world...
Feb 14, 2016 at 05:54 AM
p.1427 #19Sony FE Images Thread
Peire wrote:
It was a chilly,dull day yesterday,but I decided to visit a little village,hidden in the ravine,with old ruined palace surrounded by moat and abandoned cemetery chapel.The Lieca Vario-Elmar R 35-70/4.0 was taken out for the first time,coupled with the A7R.That zoom is really outstanding - the best 35-70 I have tested so far.Better than the Vario-Sonnar 35-70/3.5 C/Y and Minolta MD Macro 35-70/3.5.Sharp across the frame wide open at any focal lenght and very sharp/contrasty stopped down by 1f stop.Only a trace of softness in the farthest corners wo at 35mm and some distortion there,but the overall IQ is prime-like.Negligible...Show more →
Wow, that looks really good, thanks for posting. These look really good; the focus plane stands out from picture, almost like with Zeiss, but they still look like a Leica photos.
I love the 80-200/4 Leica-R, but was hesitant to get 35-70 because I had seen ONLY bad samples of boke, but your samples look pretty good. From your samples the only thing I didn't like was the 2nd last image (35mm, f/4, vertical, subject was rusty water pump), in which corners indicate either radically larger DOF in corners or forward field curvature (either one is not good for boke shooter) - forward field curvature would explain also your note "Only a trace of softness in the farthest corners wo at 35mm".
Did you get any random really ugly boke shots or was boke generally this good?
Jochenb wrote:
Interesting Samuli. It would be weird if your ZE version behaves differently. Here is the fullsize tree example:
EXAMPLE
This is shot at F5.6. Look how the focus goes from the close foreground to the center of the tree and back again. The top of the tree is completely out of focus. Also look at how fast it goes from in focus to completely out of focus there. An indication of strong field curvature.
I agree with the analysis. This is as bad or worse than Contax G-series 28mm Biogon, and considering ray angles with 1.4/50 @ f/5.6 there is no way how this could be caused by the sensor cover glass. I can't believe your lens shoots well with 5DmkII either, there must be some alignment issue (lens distances to each another or lens group distances to each another). I see from EXIF that you did shoot this with same camera (A7 without any extra letter or numbers = in EXIF:Camera field "ILCE-7") as my f/2.8 and f/5.6 samples shown here.
Jochenb wrote:
My 2 copies both did this exactly the same.
That looks EXACTLY like the faulty one my friend had (and he did shoot it with 5DmkII). Here is f/5.6 from mine (I did focus with f/2.8 as at this distance focus shift vanishes ~f/2.2): link to f/5.6 fullsize 8M jpg. As you see only very small part of extreme corner is having "A7 issues" @ f/5.6, but otherwise it's just suffering normal field curvature of ZE1.4/50, which is really hard to see @ f/5.6.
No wonder, if this alignment issue (or whatever causes the gigantic field curvature) is so common, that ZE/ZF1.4/50 has so bad reputation. Or maybe I got the only weird copy without gigantic field curvature
, and about the same field curvature as we have in it's predessor from C/Y series (and Rollei). I don't believe this to be the case, as I have shoot multiple copies with 5DmkII and they behaved about the same, and the sample I kept and have used with A7&A7r was no different of the other samples in 5DmkII.
Generally planar 1.4/50 is known for it's field curvature, smooth constantly bending curve, no wavyness etc. As it's very smooth curve just barely big enough to mitigate longer DOF in corners due to vignetting, I have actually considered it as a good attribute of lens, because it makes >90% shots of real life 3D subjects better. Of course better would be no vignetting and no field curvature, but vignetting doesn't seem to be important criteria for lens manufacturers outside movie industry. Lenses with no field curvature, very high draw in corners and with a lot of vignetting can cause unnatural looking images e.g. Otus & Milvus 55 sometimes you see images where it really bothers technically educated viewer how the DOF can be so long in corners, bringing unvanted things to better focus=contrast (which can also bother non-technically educated viewers).
Samuli
It was a chilly,dull day yesterday,but I decided to visit a little village,hidden in the ravine,with old ruined palace surrounded by moat and abandoned cemetery chapel.The Lieca Vario-Elmar R 35-70/4.0 was taken out for the first time,coupled with the A7R.That zoom is really outstanding - the best 35-70 I have tested so far.Better than the Vario-Sonnar 35-70/3.5 C/Y and Minolta MD Macro 35-70/3.5.Sharp across the frame wide open at any focal lenght and very sharp/contrasty stopped down by 1f stop.Only a trace of softness in the farthest corners wo at 35mm and some distortion there,but the overall IQ is prime-like.Negligible...Show more →
Wow, that looks really good, thanks for posting. These look really good; the focus plane stands out from picture, almost like with Zeiss, but they still look like a Leica photos.
I love the 80-200/4 Leica-R, but was hesitant to get 35-70 because I had seen ONLY bad samples of boke, but your samples look pretty good. From your samples the only thing I didn't like was the 2nd last image (35mm, f/4, vertical, subject was rusty water pump), in which corners indicate either radically larger DOF in corners or forward field curvature (either one is not good for boke shooter) - forward field curvature would explain also your note "Only a trace of softness in the farthest corners wo at 35mm".
Did you get any random really ugly boke shots or was boke generally this good?
Jochenb wrote:
Interesting Samuli. It would be weird if your ZE version behaves differently. Here is the fullsize tree example:
EXAMPLE
This is shot at F5.6. Look how the focus goes from the close foreground to the center of the tree and back again. The top of the tree is completely out of focus. Also look at how fast it goes from in focus to completely out of focus there. An indication of strong field curvature.
I agree with the analysis. This is as bad or worse than Contax G-series 28mm Biogon, and considering ray angles with 1.4/50 @ f/5.6 there is no way how this could be caused by the sensor cover glass. I can't believe your lens shoots well with 5DmkII either, there must be some alignment issue (lens distances to each another or lens group distances to each another). I see from EXIF that you did shoot this with same camera (A7 without any extra letter or numbers = in EXIF:Camera field "ILCE-7") as my f/2.8 and f/5.6 samples shown here.
Jochenb wrote:
My 2 copies both did this exactly the same.
That looks EXACTLY like the faulty one my friend had (and he did shoot it with 5DmkII). Here is f/5.6 from mine (I did focus with f/2.8 as at this distance focus shift vanishes ~f/2.2): link to f/5.6 fullsize 8M jpg. As you see only very small part of extreme corner is having "A7 issues" @ f/5.6, but otherwise it's just suffering normal field curvature of ZE1.4/50, which is really hard to see @ f/5.6.
No wonder, if this alignment issue (or whatever causes the gigantic field curvature) is so common, that ZE/ZF1.4/50 has so bad reputation. Or maybe I got the only weird copy without gigantic field curvature
, and about the same field curvature as we have in it's predessor from C/Y series (and Rollei). I don't believe this to be the case, as I have shoot multiple copies with 5DmkII and they behaved about the same, and the sample I kept and have used with A7&A7r was no different of the other samples in 5DmkII.Generally planar 1.4/50 is known for it's field curvature, smooth constantly bending curve, no wavyness etc. As it's very smooth curve just barely big enough to mitigate longer DOF in corners due to vignetting, I have actually considered it as a good attribute of lens, because it makes >90% shots of real life 3D subjects better. Of course better would be no vignetting and no field curvature, but vignetting doesn't seem to be important criteria for lens manufacturers outside movie industry. Lenses with no field curvature, very high draw in corners and with a lot of vignetting can cause unnatural looking images e.g. Otus & Milvus 55 sometimes you see images where it really bothers technically educated viewer how the DOF can be so long in corners, bringing unvanted things to better focus=contrast (which can also bother non-technically educated viewers).
Samuli
Feb 14, 2016 at 06:03 AM
p.1427 #20Sony FE Images Thread
Photo taken at 1:01 PM, October 18, 2015 from an overlook, Shenandoah NP, Virginia. Image taken with my tripod mounted Leica R 180mm f3.4 Apo Telyt lens and my A7r, ISO 100, lens set to probably f11 for 1/60 second. Exposure corrected by - 0.12 Stops. Processed in LR6.
Rich
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Rich
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