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p.81 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I really like the electronic first curtain of my NEX-7. I've read somewhere that the A7 has it but the A7r not. Anybody could confirm this ?
I don't mind the extra noise but the mechanical first curtain closing and opening produces a noticeable shutter delay and additional vibrations.
I don't mind the extra noise but the mechanical first curtain closing and opening produces a noticeable shutter delay and additional vibrations.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:00 AM
p.81 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Here's how the A7 and 24-70 f4 compares to the traditional SLR's with similar lenses:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.393,380.367,486.327,ha,t
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.393,380.367,486.327,ha,t
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:02 AM
p.81 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
It is remarkable just how loud the shutter is on these cameras, which can be heard in that Camera Store hands on video and also mentioned by Steve Huff. Probably not something one wants to use as a discreet/ stealthy camera.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:04 AM
p.81 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
EOS20 wrote:
Here's how the A7 and 24-70 f4 compares to the traditional SLR's with similar lenses:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.393,380.367,486.327,ha,t
Boy, that's really not much of a size reduction, is it? I'm very much suspecting that native lens offerings on this aren't going to have too much of a point. It's perfect for adapting, but most of the announced lenses are quite large, with the exception of the 35/2.8, which ought to be small given its slow aperture.
I mean, look at the difference with the Fuji X-E1 and 18-55 f/2.8-4. And that's not exactly a super tiny lens for mirrorless.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.393,380.367,371.359,ha,t
Here's how the A7 and 24-70 f4 compares to the traditional SLR's with similar lenses:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.393,380.367,486.327,ha,t
Boy, that's really not much of a size reduction, is it? I'm very much suspecting that native lens offerings on this aren't going to have too much of a point. It's perfect for adapting, but most of the announced lenses are quite large, with the exception of the 35/2.8, which ought to be small given its slow aperture.
I mean, look at the difference with the Fuji X-E1 and 18-55 f/2.8-4. And that's not exactly a super tiny lens for mirrorless.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.393,380.367,371.359,ha,t
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:09 AM
p.81 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
m-a-x wrote:
How come that the 55/1.8 looks so long? ...
Not to speak about the OM 50/1.8 for example, which has the same maximum aperture.
Correct, you can see from comparing hand sizes with the 55 in the videos that it is longer than the OM (I have one of those here to compare). If you search for an OM-E adaptor on eBay, you'll see that's around 1cm or more long; this was also how much the turret stuck out from the front of the old OM mount bodies. So, with the same lens designs, there will be extra hollow tube on the end of every lens above a certain focal length where the lens design does not take advantage of the smaller register distance. Indeed, the Zeiss 35mm FE mount is much shorter than the 55.
How come that the 55/1.8 looks so long? ...
Not to speak about the OM 50/1.8 for example, which has the same maximum aperture.
Correct, you can see from comparing hand sizes with the 55 in the videos that it is longer than the OM (I have one of those here to compare). If you search for an OM-E adaptor on eBay, you'll see that's around 1cm or more long; this was also how much the turret stuck out from the front of the old OM mount bodies. So, with the same lens designs, there will be extra hollow tube on the end of every lens above a certain focal length where the lens design does not take advantage of the smaller register distance. Indeed, the Zeiss 35mm FE mount is much shorter than the 55.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:11 AM
p.81 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Here are all the new Full Frame E mount lenses:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.394,487.396,487.395,487.393,487.392,ha,t
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.394,487.396,487.395,487.393,487.392,ha,t
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:15 AM
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p.81 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, lack of short flange optimization for A7 is the thing that spoils everything. Lenses must be large to work well with A7. Typical Sony. They compromised the whole system with this stupid decision. Japanese monkeys.
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Oct 16, 2013 at 07:17 AM
p.81 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
That's not been my experience at all with the A900 which I'm guessing you are referring to (Some folks - like me - would actually prefer an AA filter on the A7r.) but I agree the A7 might not be so hot for other reasons: Plastic front panel and some plastic knobs versus magnesium front panel and metal knobs on the A7r and a sensor not optimized as well for wide angle rangefinder lenses compared to the A7r. On the other hand, AF will be better with the A7 for those using native lenses. Sony has forced a tough choice with these differences. I'm actually sort of happy it will be a while before availability as I can see the performance first before going through with or canceling my pre-order.Tariq - what is your source of the plastic vs metal construction differences? I must have missed that on the sites I've read so far...It's stated in the Camera Store hands on review here:
Thanks, for others interested it is right around the 3:50 mark.
theophilus wrote
Tariq Gibran wrote
carstenw wrote
While those interested in the A7r can feel relatively confident in their pre-orders, those who are interested in the A7 may have cause to hesitate a bit more. Sony has a history of putting too-strong AA filters on their sensors, which tends to ruin the look of certain Zeiss lenses, and so on. I will have to wait with any decision until raws and processing support are available, because that is exactly what I would use one for.Thanks, for others interested it is right around the 3:50 mark.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:18 AM
p.81 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
That 55 1.8 is 2.78 inches long and 2.54 inches in diameter.
= 70.6mm diameter x 64.5mm long.
c.f. OM Zuiko 50mm f/1.8 "made in Japan" version, 59mm diameter x 40mm long of which roughly 10mm disappears into the mirror box, or in this case the adaptor. For our inch users, that's 2.3 inches by 1.57 inches - an inch shorter than the Zeiss FE.
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That 55 1.8 is 2.78 inches long and 2.54 inches in diameter.
= 70.6mm diameter x 64.5mm long.
c.f. OM Zuiko 50mm f/1.8 "made in Japan" version, 59mm diameter x 40mm long of which roughly 10mm disappears into the mirror box, or in this case the adaptor. For our inch users, that's 2.3 inches by 1.57 inches - an inch shorter than the Zeiss FE.
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Oct 16, 2013 at 07:19 AM
p.81 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artur5 wrote:
I really like the electronic first curtain of my NEX-7. I've read somewhere that the A7 has it but the A7r not. Anybody could confirm this ?
I don't mind the extra noise but the mechanical first curtain closing and opening produces a noticeable shutter delay and additional vibrations.
The camera store video says no.
I really like the electronic first curtain of my NEX-7. I've read somewhere that the A7 has it but the A7r not. Anybody could confirm this ?
I don't mind the extra noise but the mechanical first curtain closing and opening produces a noticeable shutter delay and additional vibrations.
The camera store video says no.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:20 AM
p.81 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Lack of AA filter means potentially better performance with M wides.
Jochenb wrote:
The pricing is Europe is actually lower than I expected it to be.
I have some serious gear lust, but I can't choose yet.
The A7 is cheaper, 24MP is enough for me, AA filter is not a big deal (my RX1 also has one), faster PDAF AF.
However, I'd want the one that offers the best performance for adapted lenses. I guess we'll find out soon.
Jochenb wrote:
The pricing is Europe is actually lower than I expected it to be.
I have some serious gear lust, but I can't choose yet.
The A7 is cheaper, 24MP is enough for me, AA filter is not a big deal (my RX1 also has one), faster PDAF AF.
However, I'd want the one that offers the best performance for adapted lenses. I guess we'll find out soon.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:24 AM
p.81 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The 70-200 f4 G isn't really that much smaller than the Canon 70-200 f4 IS:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.392,380.294,ha,t
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.392,380.294,ha,t
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:35 AM
p.81 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
theophilus wrote:
Tariq - what is your source of the plastic vs metal construction differences? I must have missed that on the sites I've read so far...
It's stated in the Camera Store hands on review here:
Thanks, for others interested it is right around the 3:50 mark.
From the French review, here is how the A7r is put together. As someone else mentioned, the mount itself is magnesium on both.
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5540407/sonyalpha-7.jpg
From this review:
http://www.focus-numerique.com/sony-a7-a7r-24x36-objectifs-interchangeables-partir-1500-8364-news-4642.html
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Tariq - what is your source of the plastic vs metal construction differences? I must have missed that on the sites I've read so far...
It's stated in the Camera Store hands on review here:
Thanks, for others interested it is right around the 3:50 mark.
From the French review, here is how the A7r is put together. As someone else mentioned, the mount itself is magnesium on both.
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5540407/sonyalpha-7.jpg
From this review:
http://www.focus-numerique.com/sony-a7-a7r-24x36-objectifs-interchangeables-partir-1500-8364-news-4642.html
Edited on Oct 16, 2013 at 07:42 AM · View previous versions
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:38 AM
p.81 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Why would it be? Short registration distances really only give potential size advantages with wider lenses. 200mm is still 200mm.
EOS20 wrote:
The 70-200 f4 G isn't really that much smaller than the Canon 70-200 f4 IS:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.392,380.294,ha,t
EOS20 wrote:
The 70-200 f4 G isn't really that much smaller than the Canon 70-200 f4 IS:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#487.392,380.294,ha,t
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:38 AM
p.81 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
As much as I have hoped, there is no Sony Canon EF to E mount or Nikon F to E mount adapter.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:42 AM
p.81 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
?? There are already adapters for pretty much every mount in existence to E-Mount, including the Metabones EF to E that retains autofocus and autoaperture and IS.
http://www.metabones.com/sony/buy-eos-nex-adapter
There's no need for Sony to make adapters that are already available on the market and have been for a long time.
http://www.metabones.com/sony/buy-eos-nex-adapter
There's no need for Sony to make adapters that are already available on the market and have been for a long time.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:53 AM
p.81 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jman13 wrote:
?? There are already adapters for pretty much every mount in existence to E-Mount, including the Metabones EF to E that retains autofocus and autoaperture and IS.
http://www.metabones.com/sony/buy-eos-nex-adapter
There's no need for Sony to make adapters that are already available on the market and have been for a long time.
There was a rumor that Sony would offer a free adapter for Canon or Nikon as an A7 promotion (possibly a first party, special adapter). That's probably what he is referring to.
?? There are already adapters for pretty much every mount in existence to E-Mount, including the Metabones EF to E that retains autofocus and autoaperture and IS.
http://www.metabones.com/sony/buy-eos-nex-adapter
There's no need for Sony to make adapters that are already available on the market and have been for a long time.
There was a rumor that Sony would offer a free adapter for Canon or Nikon as an A7 promotion (possibly a first party, special adapter). That's probably what he is referring to.
Oct 16, 2013 at 07:57 AM
p.81 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I have a question. The nEX name is gone, in favor of all "Alpha" cameras. If that is the case, since the new cameras are called A7, what can a NEX 7, but not called NEX, be named? Is that not a sign that the NEX 7 will remain without successor?
Oct 16, 2013 at 08:00 AM
