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p.80 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm a bit behind here but... Holy crap. Is correct? I see the A7 on WEX for £1299.00 UK GBP. Really?
edit: from this I imagine we can conclude the AF will not be terribly good.
edit: from this I imagine we can conclude the AF will not be terribly good.
Oct 16, 2013 at 04:36 AM
p.80 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The pricing is Europe is actually lower than I expected it to be.
I have some serious gear lust, but I can't choose yet.
The A7 is cheaper, 24MP is enough for me, AA filter is not a big deal (my RX1 also has one), faster PDAF AF.
However, I'd want the one that offers the best performance for adapted lenses. I guess we'll find out soon.
I have some serious gear lust, but I can't choose yet.
The A7 is cheaper, 24MP is enough for me, AA filter is not a big deal (my RX1 also has one), faster PDAF AF.
However, I'd want the one that offers the best performance for adapted lenses. I guess we'll find out soon.
Oct 16, 2013 at 04:42 AM
p.80 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
"Sony tells us it aims to have 10 FE lenses by the end of next year, and 15 lenses by the end of 2015"Me thinks Sony has a plan to corner the market. Last years revolution, the D800, suddenly looks very much like a dinosaur.
Interesting wording by Sony "highest image quality of an Alpha-series camera to date" given that the RX1(r) is not an Alpha series but Cyber-shot.
uhoh7 wrote
"According to Sony, the A7R's image sensor will yield the highest image quality of any Alpha-series camera to date.""Sony tells us it aims to have 10 FE lenses by the end of next year, and 15 lenses by the end of 2015"
Interesting wording by Sony "highest image quality of an Alpha-series camera to date" given that the RX1(r) is not an Alpha series but Cyber-shot.
Oct 16, 2013 at 04:57 AM
p.80 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sony says there will be 15 lenses launched
This Includes:
- One Zeiss fast prime lens in 2014
- One Zeiss f/4.0 wide angle zoom
- One G macro lens
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/carl-zeiss-and-sony-lens-roadmap-23180
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-full-frame-e-mount-lens-roadmap-15-lenses-will-be-launched-until-late-2015/
This Includes:
- One Zeiss fast prime lens in 2014
- One Zeiss f/4.0 wide angle zoom
- One G macro lens
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/carl-zeiss-and-sony-lens-roadmap-23180
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-full-frame-e-mount-lens-roadmap-15-lenses-will-be-launched-until-late-2015/
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:10 AM
p.80 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
15 lenses by the end of 2015! 10 lenses by the end of 2014. Knowing Sony, probably 85% consumer zooms 
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:17 AM
p.80 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Only one fast Zeiss prime in 2014 ? Much work to be done!
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:41 AM
p.80 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
carstenw wrote:
15 lenses by the end of 2015! 10 lenses by the end of 2014. Knowing Sony, probably 85% consumer zooms
And most will overlap other lenses, the 24-70 in particular.
I wonder if the preview A7's were limited to 200 and up ISO, because the listed specs are 100-25600 + expansion to 50.
Maybe we should start a thread with a list of RF lenses tested with each A7 & A7R?
15 lenses by the end of 2015! 10 lenses by the end of 2014. Knowing Sony, probably 85% consumer zooms
And most will overlap other lenses, the 24-70 in particular.
I wonder if the preview A7's were limited to 200 and up ISO, because the listed specs are 100-25600 + expansion to 50.
Maybe we should start a thread with a list of RF lenses tested with each A7 & A7R?
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:44 AM
p.80 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
How come that the 55/1.8 looks so long?
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7r-field-test/
All the superfast (F1.2) SLR lenses, e.g. Zuiko, Hexanon, Rokkor look shorter, at least in relation to the diameter.
Not to speak about the OM 50/1.8 for example, which has the same maximum aperture.
Another valid comparison with about the same register distance (right?) would be any RF 50/1.4 lens, e.g. Summilux...
All of them have no AF and no electric aperture but I would assume that these features would add to the diameter and not to the length.
Any thoughts?
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7r-field-test/
All the superfast (F1.2) SLR lenses, e.g. Zuiko, Hexanon, Rokkor look shorter, at least in relation to the diameter.
Not to speak about the OM 50/1.8 for example, which has the same maximum aperture.
Another valid comparison with about the same register distance (right?) would be any RF 50/1.4 lens, e.g. Summilux...
All of them have no AF and no electric aperture but I would assume that these features would add to the diameter and not to the length.
Any thoughts?
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:51 AM
p.80 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
LightShow wrote:
And most will overlap other lenses, the 24-70 in particular.
I wonder if the preview A7's were limited to 200 and up ISO, because the listed specs are 100-25600 + expansion to 50.
Maybe we should start a thread with a list of RF lenses tested with each A7 & A7R?
wfrank already did.
carstenw wrote
15 lenses by the end of 2015! 10 lenses by the end of 2014. Knowing Sony, probably 85% consumer zoomsI wonder if the preview A7's were limited to 200 and up ISO, because the listed specs are 100-25600 + expansion to 50.
Maybe we should start a thread with a list of RF lenses tested with each A7 & A7R?
wfrank already did.
Oct 16, 2013 at 05:58 AM
p.80 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
While those interested in the A7r can feel relatively confident in their pre-orders, those who are interested in the A7 may have cause to hesitate a bit more. Sony has a history of putting too-strong AA filters on their sensors, which tends to ruin the look of certain Zeiss lenses, and so on. I will have to wait with any decision until raws and processing support are available, because that is exactly what I would use one for.
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:00 AM
p.80 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
carstenw wrote:
While those interested in the A7r can feel relatively confident in their pre-orders, those who are interested in the A7 may have cause to hesitate a bit more. Sony has a history of putting too-strong AA filters on their sensors, which tends to ruin the look of certain Zeiss lenses, and so on. I will have to wait with any decision until raws and processing support are available, because that is exactly what I would use one for.
That's not been my experience at all with the A900 which I'm guessing you are referring to (Some folks - like me - would actually prefer an AA filter on the A7r.) but I agree the A7 might not be so hot for other reasons: Plastic front panel and some plastic knobs versus magnesium front panel and metal knobs on the A7r and a sensor not optimized as well for wide angle rangefinder lenses compared to the A7r. On the other hand, AF will be better with the A7 for those using native lenses. Sony has forced a tough choice with these differences. I'm actually sort of happy it will be a while before availability as I can see the performance first before going through with or canceling my pre-order.
While those interested in the A7r can feel relatively confident in their pre-orders, those who are interested in the A7 may have cause to hesitate a bit more. Sony has a history of putting too-strong AA filters on their sensors, which tends to ruin the look of certain Zeiss lenses, and so on. I will have to wait with any decision until raws and processing support are available, because that is exactly what I would use one for.
That's not been my experience at all with the A900 which I'm guessing you are referring to (Some folks - like me - would actually prefer an AA filter on the A7r.) but I agree the A7 might not be so hot for other reasons: Plastic front panel and some plastic knobs versus magnesium front panel and metal knobs on the A7r and a sensor not optimized as well for wide angle rangefinder lenses compared to the A7r. On the other hand, AF will be better with the A7 for those using native lenses. Sony has forced a tough choice with these differences. I'm actually sort of happy it will be a while before availability as I can see the performance first before going through with or canceling my pre-order.
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:21 AM
p.80 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
m-a-x wrote:
How come that the 55/1.8 looks so long?
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7r-field-test/
All the superfast (F1.2) SLR lenses, e.g. Zuiko, Hexanon, Rokkor look shorter, at least in relation to the diameter.
Not to speak about the OM 50/1.8 for example, which has the same maximum aperture.
Another valid comparison with about the same register distance (right?) would be any RF 50/1.4 lens, e.g. Summilux...
All of them have no AF and no electric aperture but I would assume that these features would add to the diameter and not to the length.
Any thoughts?
That 55 1.8 is 2.78 inches long and 2.54 inches in diameter. Not small but not huge either. It looks so big in that photo likely due to the tiny size of the A7 body we have as visual reference.
How come that the 55/1.8 looks so long?
http://briansmith.com/sony-a7r-field-test/
All the superfast (F1.2) SLR lenses, e.g. Zuiko, Hexanon, Rokkor look shorter, at least in relation to the diameter.
Not to speak about the OM 50/1.8 for example, which has the same maximum aperture.
Another valid comparison with about the same register distance (right?) would be any RF 50/1.4 lens, e.g. Summilux...
All of them have no AF and no electric aperture but I would assume that these features would add to the diameter and not to the length.
Any thoughts?
That 55 1.8 is 2.78 inches long and 2.54 inches in diameter. Not small but not huge either. It looks so big in that photo likely due to the tiny size of the A7 body we have as visual reference.
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:26 AM
p.80 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Yeah, I'm somewhat torn now. I really don't want the A7r...it's a little too expensive for me (though I think the price is reasonable...just in a pure cost out of my pocket sense), and I have no need for 36 MP images.
I'm not concerned about the AA filter, but I am somewhat concerned about the RF wides. While I don't plan on buying any ultra wide rangefinder lenses in the short term, if I end up loving the camera and using it as my primary machine, I would probably begin the transition for what would start as predominantly a digital FD to being a digital M. I'm hoping that wide angles like the Olympus 21mm will be fine, because I can see myself getting that lens for some wide angle work. Right now, I have a full stock from 28mm to 300mm in FD mount, plus some nice Hexanons (40/1.8, 57/1.2), and a few Minolta MD lenses as well. If these all work well, I'd be quite happy with the 7, I think. But, now I'm starting to think if those lenses on full frame will get me any real useful improvement over the native Fuji lenses on my X-E1 (the Fuji lenses are likely better optically than the FD lenses on a FF sensor). Argh....
I'm not concerned about the AA filter, but I am somewhat concerned about the RF wides. While I don't plan on buying any ultra wide rangefinder lenses in the short term, if I end up loving the camera and using it as my primary machine, I would probably begin the transition for what would start as predominantly a digital FD to being a digital M. I'm hoping that wide angles like the Olympus 21mm will be fine, because I can see myself getting that lens for some wide angle work. Right now, I have a full stock from 28mm to 300mm in FD mount, plus some nice Hexanons (40/1.8, 57/1.2), and a few Minolta MD lenses as well. If these all work well, I'd be quite happy with the 7, I think. But, now I'm starting to think if those lenses on full frame will get me any real useful improvement over the native Fuji lenses on my X-E1 (the Fuji lenses are likely better optically than the FD lenses on a FF sensor). Argh....
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:32 AM
p.80 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
That's not been my experience at all with the A900 which I'm guessing you are referring to (Some folks - like me - would actually prefer an AA filter on the A7r.) but I agree the A7 might not be so hot for other reasons: Plastic front panel and some plastic knobs versus magnesium front panel and metal knobs on the A7r and a sensor not optimized as well for wide angle rangefinder lenses compared to the A7r. On the other hand, AF will be better with the A7 for those using native lenses. Sony has forced a tough...Show more →
Tariq - what is your source of the plastic vs metal construction differences? I must have missed that on the sites I've read so far...
carstenw wrote
While those interested in the A7r can feel relatively confident in their pre-orders, those who are interested in the A7 may have cause to hesitate a bit more. Sony has a history of putting too-strong AA filters on their sensors, which tends to ruin the look of certain Zeiss lenses, and so on. I will have to wait with any decision until raws and processing support are available, because that is exactly what I would use one for.Tariq - what is your source of the plastic vs metal construction differences? I must have missed that on the sites I've read so far...
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:40 AM
p.80 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I confirm what Tariq wrote. I also picked up that both cameras have a magnesium lens mount, but only the 7R has a full magnesium front and machined metal knobs
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:45 AM
p.80 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ebrandon wrote:
Does anyone know the differences between the Metabones EF->NEX adapters versions II and III well enough to predict whether a version II will work with the A7?
I emailed Metabones last month and they said version three is needed. I have no idea what the difference is.
John
Does anyone know the differences between the Metabones EF->NEX adapters versions II and III well enough to predict whether a version II will work with the A7?
I emailed Metabones last month and they said version three is needed. I have no idea what the difference is.
John
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:48 AM
p.80 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well I pre-ordered the A7 from Amazon. I'll probably place a local order and see what place in line I get as well since Amazon charges me tax now.
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:49 AM
p.80 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The RX10, A7 and A7R have now been added to the camera size website database:
http://camerasize.com/compare/#487,489
http://camerasize.com/compare/#487,489
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:50 AM
p.80 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
theophilus, It was shown in the YouTube feed from SAR, which was the Sony Europe introduction of the cameras.
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Oct 16, 2013 at 06:54 AM
p.80 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
theophilus wrote:
That's not been my experience at all with the A900 which I'm guessing you are referring to (Some folks - like me - would actually prefer an AA filter on the A7r.) but I agree the A7 might not be so hot for other reasons: Plastic front panel and some plastic knobs versus magnesium front panel and metal knobs on the A7r and a sensor not optimized as well for wide angle rangefinder lenses compared to the A7r. On the other hand, AF will be better with the A7 for those using native lenses. Sony has forced a tough choice with these differences. I'm actually sort of happy it will be a while before availability as I can see the performance first before going through with or canceling my pre-order.Tariq - what is your source of the plastic vs metal construction differences? I must have missed that on the sites I've read so far...
It's stated in the Camera Store hands on review here:
Tariq Gibran wrote
carstenw wrote
While those interested in the A7r can feel relatively confident in their pre-orders, those who are interested in the A7 may have cause to hesitate a bit more. Sony has a history of putting too-strong AA filters on their sensors, which tends to ruin the look of certain Zeiss lenses, and so on. I will have to wait with any decision until raws and processing support are available, because that is exactly what I would use one for.It's stated in the Camera Store hands on review here:
Oct 16, 2013 at 06:56 AM