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Archive 2013Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
p.77 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
"Sony also provides a macro lens and a wide-angle zoom f / 4 in 2014"
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:04 AM
p.77 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Shipping in November!
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:05 AM
p.77 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
First impressions up at Steve Huff's site
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/15/hands-on-1st-impressions-the-sony-a7-a7r-and-rx10/?fb_source=pubv1
He says that the AF is fast but not as fast as the Olympus OM-D EM-1 but faster than the NEX 7 and the RX-1.
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/15/hands-on-1st-impressions-the-sony-a7-a7r-and-rx10/?fb_source=pubv1
He says that the AF is fast but not as fast as the Olympus OM-D EM-1 but faster than the NEX 7 and the RX-1.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:07 AM
p.77 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Seems like a lot of people have too much money burning holes in their pockets with all the people saying their pre-ordering one or two even before the performance is known!
With having to replace my Sony A850 I was thinking that if the FF NEX was all the rumors claimed it would be I might go with it and kill two birds with one stone (ie, get FF and downsize to compact NEX body in one) but the following issues will probably make me go with a real DSLR and maybe a NEX6 or RX100 for compactness:
1. God awful fps. The Sony A7r fps performance is as bad as medium format! I can't believe there is a good reason (but artificial software limitation) for 1.5fps continuous AF performance in 2013 when top-tier 8-13mpx cellphones can all shoot at > 10-20 fps. 1.5 fps!!
hahaha, you gotta be kidding me! Come on, for under $600, the lowest end 24mpx Nikon D3200 DSLR can beat that performance and weighs just 100g more. And yet this is Sony's $2,700 flagship?
2. God awful fps!!!!! Again! Basically this rules out capturing any action shots of your kids/pets or aircraft or sports with this camera and I believe that this really abysmal limitation helps to hide the atrocious shot-to-shot AF performance that I talked about in my Sony rant of a few days ago. Unbelievable!
3. Tiny 1080 mAh battery. Why Sony? Why?? This is half the power of the average Android cellphone today. Seriously why would the latest $2,700 SONY FF flagship take less pictures on a full charge than the cheapest $300-400 consumer compact cameras you can find?
4. No IBIS : great way to screw users of adapted and 3rd party lenses. I'm so used to IBIS on my Sony Alphas (A350,A700,A850) that I expect to get sharp images at longer exposure times. So with NEX FF I now have to increase ISO by two or three stops for the same quality Come on Sony.. The decision not to put IBIS in any NEX model has nothing to do with technical limits or cost (look at the Olympus mirrorless models for counter examples) but more to push customers to over-priced SONY OSS lenses.
4. NO affordable/value-priced native lenses. 55mm non-stabilized f/1.8 lens for $1000+?? You must be kidding again! Wishful thinking on the part of Sony that hundreds of thousands of people are going to pay that ridiculous sum for such an average lens just because of the Zeiss "brand" on Sony optics. 28-70mm very slow kit lens for $600? No way Jose! Are you kidding? Kit lens should have been 24-70mm f/4 and the Zeiss lens should have been f/2.8 aperture not f/4 for the same prices. There is absolutely no reason why an E-mount FF lens should cost up to 8x the price of the equivalent traditional DSLR FF lens. Again, if Sigma jumps into the NEX FF market with fast lenses, then I'm in too. So it will be wait and see.
With having to replace my Sony A850 I was thinking that if the FF NEX was all the rumors claimed it would be I might go with it and kill two birds with one stone (ie, get FF and downsize to compact NEX body in one) but the following issues will probably make me go with a real DSLR and maybe a NEX6 or RX100 for compactness:
1. God awful fps. The Sony A7r fps performance is as bad as medium format! I can't believe there is a good reason (but artificial software limitation) for 1.5fps continuous AF performance in 2013 when top-tier 8-13mpx cellphones can all shoot at > 10-20 fps. 1.5 fps!!
hahaha, you gotta be kidding me! Come on, for under $600, the lowest end 24mpx Nikon D3200 DSLR can beat that performance and weighs just 100g more. And yet this is Sony's $2,700 flagship?2. God awful fps!!!!! Again! Basically this rules out capturing any action shots of your kids/pets or aircraft or sports with this camera and I believe that this really abysmal limitation helps to hide the atrocious shot-to-shot AF performance that I talked about in my Sony rant of a few days ago. Unbelievable!
3. Tiny 1080 mAh battery. Why Sony? Why?? This is half the power of the average Android cellphone today. Seriously why would the latest $2,700 SONY FF flagship take less pictures on a full charge than the cheapest $300-400 consumer compact cameras you can find?
4. No IBIS : great way to screw users of adapted and 3rd party lenses. I'm so used to IBIS on my Sony Alphas (A350,A700,A850) that I expect to get sharp images at longer exposure times. So with NEX FF I now have to increase ISO by two or three stops for the same quality
Come on Sony.. The decision not to put IBIS in any NEX model has nothing to do with technical limits or cost (look at the Olympus mirrorless models for counter examples) but more to push customers to over-priced SONY OSS lenses.4. NO affordable/value-priced native lenses. 55mm non-stabilized f/1.8 lens for $1000+?? You must be kidding again! Wishful thinking on the part of Sony that hundreds of thousands of people are going to pay that ridiculous sum for such an average lens just because of the Zeiss "brand" on Sony optics. 28-70mm very slow kit lens for $600? No way Jose! Are you kidding? Kit lens should have been 24-70mm f/4 and the Zeiss lens should have been f/2.8 aperture not f/4 for the same prices. There is absolutely no reason why an E-mount FF lens should cost up to 8x the price of the equivalent traditional DSLR FF lens. Again, if Sigma jumps into the NEX FF market with fast lenses, then I'm in too. So it will be wait and see.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:07 AM
p.77 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Amazon is showing a Dec. 1st availability.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM
p.77 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Australian feed says the A7r has a magnesium alloy front plate to better support heavier lenses, including adapted lens, whereas the A7 does not.
Edit: They also seem to imply only the A7r has the offset micro-lenses.
Edit: They also seem to imply only the A7r has the offset micro-lenses.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:18 AM
p.77 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
HopeIsEternal wrote:
Seems like a lot of people have too much money burning holes in their pockets with all the people saying their pre-ordering one or two even before the performance is known!
With having to replace my Sony A850 I was thinking that if the FF NEX was all the rumors claimed it would be I might go with it and kill two birds with one stone (ie, get FF and downsize to compact NEX body in one) but the following issues will probably make me go with a real DSLR and maybe a NEX6 or RX100 for compactness:
1. God awful fps....Show more →
The "flagship" FF Sony will supposedly be released next year and should have the FPS you are after as well as IBIS. These are simply the compact FF E-mount releases for those wanting the absolute smallest FF available.
Seems like a lot of people have too much money burning holes in their pockets with all the people saying their pre-ordering one or two even before the performance is known!
With having to replace my Sony A850 I was thinking that if the FF NEX was all the rumors claimed it would be I might go with it and kill two birds with one stone (ie, get FF and downsize to compact NEX body in one) but the following issues will probably make me go with a real DSLR and maybe a NEX6 or RX100 for compactness:
1. God awful fps....Show more →
The "flagship" FF Sony will supposedly be released next year and should have the FPS you are after as well as IBIS. These are simply the compact FF E-mount releases for those wanting the absolute smallest FF available.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:19 AM
p.77 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
They also say that the offset micro-lenses are only for the A7r. Less issues with rangefinder lenses is what they way of the A7r.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:19 AM
p.77 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ISO performance "neck and neck"...between A7 and A7r
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:20 AM
p.77 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
really frustrated by the availability dates.
Was hoping to have it before i left for Korea.
Was hoping to have it before i left for Korea.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:26 AM
p.77 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Considering that the cameras will be available before any lens other than the kit, it suggests that third-party lenses will work well enough to keep customers happy.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:28 AM
p.77 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Pulling my NEX6 from the classifieds. 
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:30 AM
p.77 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I'm liking the look of that battery grip.
It looked excellent when it was demoed in the Sony Australia presentation. I'm thinking that the A7r plus battery grip plus Vario-Elmar-R 35-70/4 might be a very nice combo.
I'm liking the look of that battery grip.
It looked excellent when it was demoed in the Sony Australia presentation. I'm thinking that the A7r plus battery grip plus Vario-Elmar-R 35-70/4 might be a very nice combo.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 AM
p.77 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The reviews are coming out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bnvgceTEV3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bnvgceTEV3c
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:31 AM
p.77 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
a7R order placed . . . I can't wait.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM
p.77 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Congratulations, Bob! My shop opens in 90mn only. Although my guess is he has set one aside for me already...:-)
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:34 AM
p.77 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Huff says Dec. 15th for availability. That's going to be a long 2 month wait for some. I figure I will place my order and hedge my bets.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:42 AM
p.77 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Thank goodness people are still whining about looks, fps, and lack of ibis. My preorder will be assured to arrive in Dec. I remember the nex-7 waiting time. Preorder first, ask questions later!
I recommend people not to preorder from Amazon. They always get hot cameras last. I learned that twice.
I recommend people not to preorder from Amazon. They always get hot cameras last. I learned that twice.
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:43 AM
p.77 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ah ok, the shutter sounds like a medium format SLR 
one less thing to budget for
/thread for me, cya
one less thing to budget for
/thread for me, cya
Oct 16, 2013 at 12:48 AM