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p.63 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Eww. Pegs the ugly meter. Not unlike a variety of cars over the years where one wonders just who sat in on the focus groups to select designs or colors. OTOH, it will probably make the folks who wander about counting which cameras people seem to be using happy. Hard to confuse it with anything else.
Yeak looks aren't necessarily important to the actual functioning, I guess.
Yeak looks aren't necessarily important to the actual functioning, I guess.
Oct 14, 2013 at 09:02 PM
p.63 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
snowboarder wrote:
+100
If this thing works well with my Leica M glass including the 21 SEL and 28 f2, I'm all set.
BTW, why the heck is this uglier than the Leica M? Seriously?
Have you guys had a chance to try the RX1R out? The same company is launching this A7 thing...
I kind of trust it will be good...
+200
I have the A7r on pre-order as of today If the IQ is similar or the same as the RX1R, I will be thrilled, and only questions are, how the ergonomics feel, and how well the Leica lenses play with this new beast!
uhoh7 wrote
the cognescenti dont care, one hump or two. If it's small, FF, and shoots the great glass well, it's a fantastic camera. The very first of it's kind. Whoever made it is my hero.If this thing works well with my Leica M glass including the 21 SEL and 28 f2, I'm all set.
BTW, why the heck is this uglier than the Leica M? Seriously?
Have you guys had a chance to try the RX1R out? The same company is launching this A7 thing...
I kind of trust it will be good...
+200
I have the A7r on pre-order as of today
If the IQ is similar or the same as the RX1R, I will be thrilled, and only questions are, how the ergonomics feel, and how well the Leica lenses play with this new beast!Oct 14, 2013 at 09:32 PM
p.63 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Wonder if the implementation of focus peaking is going to be improved.
On the RX1 you could only get peaking with the zoomed in view, but not with the normal view.
I personally find that if I'm zoomed in, I don't need peaking and it just gets in the way since its kind of a coarse tool.
On the other hand, for just quickly being able to ballpark focus on the fly with a normal composition, it works pretty well.
Sony sadly didn't see it fit to provide a choice of how you want those two features combined.
Really something like a RF patch would be even better though than peaking. Peaking does work but I find on a lot of subjects I can't tell exactly where the plane of focus is.
Lens like a VC 35mm f1.2 on a 36meg sensor is going to show any and all focus error so all the more tools Sony can provide to make it work the better
On the RX1 you could only get peaking with the zoomed in view, but not with the normal view.
I personally find that if I'm zoomed in, I don't need peaking and it just gets in the way since its kind of a coarse tool.
On the other hand, for just quickly being able to ballpark focus on the fly with a normal composition, it works pretty well.
Sony sadly didn't see it fit to provide a choice of how you want those two features combined.
Really something like a RF patch would be even better though than peaking. Peaking does work but I find on a lot of subjects I can't tell exactly where the plane of focus is.
Lens like a VC 35mm f1.2 on a 36meg sensor is going to show any and all focus error so all the more tools Sony can provide to make it work the better
Oct 14, 2013 at 09:46 PM
p.63 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Articulating rear panel? Sure doesn't look like it flips up.
Oct 14, 2013 at 10:33 PM
p.63 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If the peaking is like the RX1, that'll be horrible.
I'm buying the A7 as soon as possible, unless on launch day they say something about the R working better with RF wides.
I'm planning on pairing mine with Voigtlander M lenses. Either 15 or 21 for the wide, a 35 "normal", I'll find a Canon LTM 50, and I already have a Canon 100/3.5 LTM on order.
I'm buying the A7 as soon as possible, unless on launch day they say something about the R working better with RF wides.
I'm planning on pairing mine with Voigtlander M lenses. Either 15 or 21 for the wide, a 35 "normal", I'll find a Canon LTM 50, and I already have a Canon 100/3.5 LTM on order.
Oct 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM
p.63 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sebboh wrote:
i'm not much enamored by the looks and i feel sure the ergonomics will be decent but not quite right. whoever made it isn't my hero, but whoever approved the project is. about time we got our mirrorless FF!
Thanks sounds to be pretty close to my sentiment as well.
i'm not much enamored by the looks and i feel sure the ergonomics will be decent but not quite right. whoever made it isn't my hero, but whoever approved the project is. about time we got our mirrorless FF!
Thanks sounds to be pretty close to my sentiment as well.
Oct 14, 2013 at 10:57 PM
p.63 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
charles.K wrote:
+100
If this thing works well with my Leica M glass including the 21 SEL and 28 f2, I'm all set.
BTW, why the heck is this uglier than the Leica M? Seriously?
Have you guys had a chance to try the RX1R out? The same company is launching this A7 thing...
I kind of trust it will be good...+200
I have the A7r on pre-order as of today If the IQ is similar or the same as the RX1R, I will be thrilled, and only questions are, how the ergonomics feel, and how well the Leica lenses play with this new beast!
Where did you pre-order from?
snowboarder wrote
uhoh7 wrote
the cognescenti dont care, one hump or two. If it's small, FF, and shoots the great glass well, it's a fantastic camera. The very first of it's kind. Whoever made it is my hero.If this thing works well with my Leica M glass including the 21 SEL and 28 f2, I'm all set.
BTW, why the heck is this uglier than the Leica M? Seriously?
Have you guys had a chance to try the RX1R out? The same company is launching this A7 thing...
I kind of trust it will be good...
I have the A7r on pre-order as of today
If the IQ is similar or the same as the RX1R, I will be thrilled, and only questions are, how the ergonomics feel, and how well the Leica lenses play with this new beast!Where did you pre-order from?
Oct 14, 2013 at 11:02 PM
p.63 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Anyone know if there is build quality difference between A7 and A7r? I know A7 has PDAF, A7R has 36M sensor, other than that, are they the same? I am debating which one to get.
How about you? which one? why?
How about you? which one? why?
Oct 14, 2013 at 11:39 PM
p.63 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Zhang:
I prefer 24MP as long as it cater as good or better for RF wides than the 36Mp. See no point in more pixels above 20-25 really.
Build quality identical
36MP lacks AA filter so theyre not the same in more than one way..
I prefer 24MP as long as it cater as good or better for RF wides than the 36Mp. See no point in more pixels above 20-25 really.
Build quality identical
36MP lacks AA filter so theyre not the same in more than one way..
Oct 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM
p.63 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Everything I've read says both bodies are the same. I personally haven't decided yet which model to order. I'm primarily landscape and people shooter so the A7r would make sense, but I may have to upgrade my computer to handle those huge files. My D600 files already are slow in LR. This will be the first time I pre-order a camera. I'm pretty confident Sony had plenty of time and practice with the NEX-7 and RX1 to get this one right with only minor bugs.
Oct 14, 2013 at 11:49 PM
p.63 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Weasel_Loader, unfortunately this is a contact I have at Sony with a local store that gets new stock very quickly. They are very tight lipped about this until 5pm tomorrow evening our time.
zhangyue wrote:
Anyone know if there is build quality difference between A7 and A7r? I know A7 has PDAF, A7R has 36M sensor, other than that, are they the same? I am debating which one to get.
How about you? which one? why?
My choice is the A7r, is that I wish to differentiate with M240. Both AA free, and but having the higher MP, will hopefully perform better with lenses like the 21 SEM. I am not convinced yet whether the two models will play well with other lenses. If you are opting for the Sony, the A7 will work better with the AF having the PDAF. I have no interest in the beast 24-70 lens, but I may later opt for the Sony 58/1.8. Again trying to keep the size/weight to a minimum
Edited on Oct 15, 2013 at 12:17 AM · View previous versions
zhangyue wrote:
Anyone know if there is build quality difference between A7 and A7r? I know A7 has PDAF, A7R has 36M sensor, other than that, are they the same? I am debating which one to get.
How about you? which one? why?
My choice is the A7r, is that I wish to differentiate with M240. Both AA free, and but having the higher MP, will hopefully perform better with lenses like the 21 SEM. I am not convinced yet whether the two models will play well with other lenses. If you are opting for the Sony, the A7 will work better with the AF having the PDAF. I have no interest in the beast 24-70 lens, but I may later opt for the Sony 58/1.8. Again trying to keep the size/weight to a minimum
Edited on Oct 15, 2013 at 12:17 AM · View previous versions
Oct 14, 2013 at 11:54 PM
p.63 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sounds good. Figured it was local pre-order.
I like your plan with the A7r. I've always preferred primes with my Nikon D700 and D600, so I will most like entertain the idea of getting the Sony 55/1.8 for general purposes and a Zeiss wide angle (depending on workability). I'd be pretty surprised if Sony screws up wide angle ZM lens adaptability after seeing how much users were looking for it on the NEX-7.
I like your plan with the A7r. I've always preferred primes with my Nikon D700 and D600, so I will most like entertain the idea of getting the Sony 55/1.8 for general purposes and a Zeiss wide angle (depending on workability). I'd be pretty surprised if Sony screws up wide angle ZM lens adaptability after seeing how much users were looking for it on the NEX-7.
Oct 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM
p.63 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I was just on Steve Huff's site to see if any A7 stuff was posted there since he had the NEX-7 and RX1 before launch, and I did see a subtle hint that he has one I hand and will probably release a review when the NDA expires.
And he does like to use RF lenses, so he could be the first to tell us how the sensor(s) behave.
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/14/sony-full-frame-a7-and-a7r-leaked-before-launch/
So, if these specs are the real deal of course then this camera will be a HUGE seller and cause quite the stir. All I can say is KEEP an eye out here on stevehuffphoto.com every day
Really.
And he does like to use RF lenses, so he could be the first to tell us how the sensor(s) behave.
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/14/sony-full-frame-a7-and-a7r-leaked-before-launch/
So, if these specs are the real deal of course then this camera will be a HUGE seller and cause quite the stir. All I can say is KEEP an eye out here on stevehuffphoto.com every day
Really.Oct 15, 2013 at 12:05 AM
p.63 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
It's an ILC designed from scratch to work with a range of quite different manual focus lenses, therefore should provide an independent selection of peaking and focus magnification - the latter being by far the most useful and less fussy, as peaking is driven by contrast levels, so varies a lot. You do know you can turn it down (3 levels) or off?
'Build quality' being the 'same' makes economic sense at the production line, but the surcharge is high (25% or so) and will very likely have as yet unknown points of differentiation to it. It's the new flagship for the company, which now makes sensors for six current FF cameras - 2 x 36Mp, 4 x 24Mp. SAR had several surveys on the design appearance, 'in favour' keeps rising steadily.
EVF - I think it looks much better (more functional and integrated, more nose relief and face room) than an M240 with an afterthought EVF perched shakily on top, in the way of harm when changing lenses. It looks more like a coin dispenser than something you raise to your eye:
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=cr&ei=yN5cUoGmEISGkQXNnICIDA#q=m240+with+evf+images
'Build quality' being the 'same' makes economic sense at the production line, but the surcharge is high (25% or so) and will very likely have as yet unknown points of differentiation to it. It's the new flagship for the company, which now makes sensors for six current FF cameras - 2 x 36Mp, 4 x 24Mp. SAR had several surveys on the design appearance, 'in favour' keeps rising steadily.
EVF - I think it looks much better (more functional and integrated, more nose relief and face room) than an M240 with an afterthought EVF perched shakily on top, in the way of harm when changing lenses. It looks more like a coin dispenser than something you raise to your eye:
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=cr&ei=yN5cUoGmEISGkQXNnICIDA#q=m240+with+evf+images
Oct 15, 2013 at 12:42 AM
p.63 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
It really bugs me that Sony didn't equalize both cameras. A7 has OSPDAF but has AA filter. A7r has no PDAF or AA filter. I think the A7 will be much quicker at AF. Using contrast AF requires processing power. It's faster to process 24mp than 36mp. The PDAF *might* also assist, but so far Sony has been the least successful at OSPDAF so I'm not giving them much credit for it. I hope to be surprised. With both cameras having different strengths, it makes it harder to decide. I'm leaning towards the A7 as I do not see it replacing my D800E.
Oct 15, 2013 at 12:44 AM
p.63 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
There is no mention in the specs about the cameras being able to accept a wired remote. I hope they do. Otherwise I do not know of any way of using remotes for a variety of functions including for lighting photos.
Rich
Rich
Oct 15, 2013 at 01:42 AM
p.63 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I think it looks great! With a big scallop below the viewfinder to accommodate large glass, the camera's design has a simple appeal with its clean straight lines.
Compare it with the competition - the OMD-EM5 strives to appear as a technological super-gadget, the Fuji X is self-conscious and unimaginatively retro and the Leica swells with every generation and is now borderline dslr in size and weight.
If the A7/r viewfinder is magnesium-alloy then the quality of the build stands it apart from every plastic dslr or mirrorless on the market.
Compare it with the competition - the OMD-EM5 strives to appear as a technological super-gadget, the Fuji X is self-conscious and unimaginatively retro and the Leica swells with every generation and is now borderline dslr in size and weight.
If the A7/r viewfinder is magnesium-alloy then the quality of the build stands it apart from every plastic dslr or mirrorless on the market.
Oct 15, 2013 at 01:48 AM
p.63 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
We got typhoon approaching. Hits Tokyo tomorrow and will affect a lot of commuters.
Just so you know, the presentation's schedule might be shifted...
Just so you know, the presentation's schedule might be shifted...
Oct 15, 2013 at 01:51 AM
p.63 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Lloyd Chambers comments on the A7+lenses
Images of the new lenses, but I think he got the 1,8/55 image wrong...
The 281 gram 55mm f/1.8 is a Sonnar design.
Images of the new lenses, but I think he got the 1,8/55 image wrong...
The 281 gram 55mm f/1.8 is a Sonnar design.
Oct 15, 2013 at 01:58 AM
p.63 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Apparently Lloyd Chambers has reviewed the new A7r and is ready to publish it.... well he actually did on his blog a few hours ago. I saw the link to the blog article in my RSS feed but apparently it was removed before I could access it 
the URL is still visible on google though: https://www.google.fr/search?q=site:diglloyd.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=W_dcUrGsMIql0wXXhoDIBQ#q=site:diglloyd.com+a7+breakthrough&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&safe=active
"Sony A7, A7R: Breakthrough in Image Quality in a Compact Package with Killer EVF and LCD Too."
I guess we'll have to wait another day to read the full story
the URL is still visible on google though: https://www.google.fr/search?q=site:diglloyd.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=W_dcUrGsMIql0wXXhoDIBQ#q=site:diglloyd.com+a7+breakthrough&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&safe=active
"Sony A7, A7R: Breakthrough in Image Quality in a Compact Package with Killer EVF and LCD Too."
I guess we'll have to wait another day to read the full story
Oct 15, 2013 at 02:07 AM