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p.61 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jeff Kott wrote:
I think there's going to be a lot of used speed boosters for sale very soon.
... and NEX 6 & 7, maybe some Touits, RX1s, all kindza fun stuff.
I think there's going to be a lot of used speed boosters for sale very soon.
... and NEX 6 & 7, maybe some Touits, RX1s, all kindza fun stuff.
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:02 PM
p.61 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The touit 18mm is holding me back from committing to a new system.
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:06 PM
p.61 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm worried about the ergonomics of the shutter release. I think the Nex-6/7 shutter location is perfect, at least for my hands. Oh well.
Ken - you mean the 12mm? I'll be hanging on to mine for now. It's a very good lens (despite the focus hunting), and I don't really have a comparable 18mm. I do have a great 21mm though, so we'll see.
It will probably be a good time to buy a used RX-1 soon, if that's what you want.
Ken - you mean the 12mm? I'll be hanging on to mine for now. It's a very good lens (despite the focus hunting), and I don't really have a comparable 18mm. I do have a great 21mm though, so we'll see.
It will probably be a good time to buy a used RX-1 soon, if that's what you want.
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:18 PM
p.61 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
What 21 are you using, Taylor?
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:23 PM
p.61 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I wonder how AF for this new Alpha-7 works. There have been rumors that the AF works with all kind of legacy lenses. I understood the system works with a moveable sensor that does AF. Now that the camera has leaked, does anyone know? Will we be able to AF with old Leica glass?
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:48 PM
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sculptormic wrote:
See yourself:
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/32/qksb.jpgWow, the body is even lower then the RX1! I will need the grip.
i don't trust that comparison. the dimensions of the rx1 vs nex-7 are clearly off as are some of the other cameras. the rx1 and nex-7 are actually the same height:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/9278159163_d5bf028308_o.jpg
artur5 wrote
_julian_ wrote
I will be very interested to find out if Sony's new fullframes are smaller than an m9 or m240.http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/32/qksb.jpg
i don't trust that comparison. the dimensions of the rx1 vs nex-7 are clearly off as are some of the other cameras. the rx1 and nex-7 are actually the same height:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/9278159163_d5bf028308_o.jpg
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:55 PM
p.61 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Makten wrote:
Nope, I have no interest in 36 mpix and I want the AA filter. Plus, I suspect that a higher resolution sensor will be more likely to have problems with M lenses.
In my opinion, the 35/1.2 is a tad too large and too soft wide open, but has a beautiful rendering. The 35/1.4 has huuuuge curvature of field and slightly harsh bokeh, but is reasonably sharp wide open and is very small. Haven't tried the 40, but from what I've seen it would be my choice out of those three.
Personally I will try my Olympus 35/2.8, Voigtländer 40/2 (F mount)...Show more →
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.
theophilus wrote
Am I the only one more interested in the 24mpix version?theophilus wrote
What is everyone thinking for a fast 35mm prime for this? Are the voightlander 35/1.4, 35/1.2 and 40/1.4 worth considering? How about Zeiss 35/2 Biogon?Personally I will try my Olympus 35/2.8, Voigtländer 40/2 (F mount)...Show more →
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.
Oct 14, 2013 at 01:56 PM
p.61 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
douglasf13 wrote:
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.
Maybe, at least for color accuracy. But I suspect that it's the hot mirror and not the AA filter that gives us miscolored corners with some sensors.
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.
Maybe, at least for color accuracy. But I suspect that it's the hot mirror and not the AA filter that gives us miscolored corners with some sensors.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:07 PM
p.61 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
i don't trust that comparison. the dimensions of the rx1 vs nex-7 are clearly off as are some of the other cameras. the rx1 and nex-7 are actually the same height.
My first thought was; how can this camera be even as small or smaller then the RX1.
Good to know!
On your photo you can realy see well how much this design is a cross over of those two cameras
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:20 PM
p.61 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Makten wrote:
Maybe, at least for color accuracy. But I suspect that it's the hot mirror and not the AA filter that gives us miscolored corners with some sensors.
The AA filter is a potential cause of corner smearing, because it causes astigmatism. That's one of the reasons Leica and MFDB don't use them.
douglasf13 wrote
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.The AA filter is a potential cause of corner smearing, because it causes astigmatism. That's one of the reasons Leica and MFDB don't use them.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:31 PM
p.61 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm heading towards Elmarit M 24 Asph, 50 Lux Asph, and 90 Cron AA as my high quality kit, just have the 50 to get.
I have a tiny Canon 35/2.8 LTM that could be fun, but the later 35/2 LTM could also be great, but I've been tempted by the CV 35/1.2 since I bought my NEX-7, but the only lens I really want to work is my CV15 which will go with my trio above.
fotofraag wrote:
I wonder how AF for this new Alpha-7 works. There have been rumors that the AF works with all kind of legacy lenses. I understood the system works with a moveable sensor that does AF. Now that the camera has leaked, does anyone know? Will we be able to AF with old Leica glass?
That rumour will not be for these 2 cameras, it may show up in 2014 in some other camera.
I have a tiny Canon 35/2.8 LTM that could be fun, but the later 35/2 LTM could also be great, but I've been tempted by the CV 35/1.2 since I bought my NEX-7, but the only lens I really want to work is my CV15 which will go with my trio above.
fotofraag wrote:
I wonder how AF for this new Alpha-7 works. There have been rumors that the AF works with all kind of legacy lenses. I understood the system works with a moveable sensor that does AF. Now that the camera has leaked, does anyone know? Will we be able to AF with old Leica glass?
That rumour will not be for these 2 cameras, it may show up in 2014 in some other camera.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:33 PM
p.61 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Makten wrote:
Maybe, at least for color accuracy. But I suspect that it's the hot mirror and not the AA filter that gives us miscolored corners with some sensors.
It's sort of a double edged sword with regard whether to go 24MP vs 36Mp for best use with M wides - theoretically at least. The AA filter can cause issues in itself with wide rangefinder lenses, not just color but smearing. The 36MP will benefit due to the lack of AA but might suffer due to the smaller sensel size (though I doubt much). My guess is the 36MP sensor would do better overall with wides but it will be interesting to see how both do when folks start testing them.
Edit. What Douglas said!
douglasf13 wrote
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.It's sort of a double edged sword with regard whether to go 24MP vs 36Mp for best use with M wides - theoretically at least. The AA filter can cause issues in itself with wide rangefinder lenses, not just color but smearing. The 36MP will benefit due to the lack of AA but might suffer due to the smaller sensel size (though I doubt much). My guess is the 36MP sensor would do better overall with wides but it will be interesting to see how both do when folks start testing them.
Edit. What Douglas said!
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:34 PM
p.61 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
douglasf13 wrote:
Maybe, at least for color accuracy. But I suspect that it's the hot mirror and not the AA filter that gives us miscolored corners with some sensors.The AA filter is a potential cause of corner smearing, because it causes astigmatism. That's one of the reasons Leica and MFDB don't use them.
Thanks Douglas! That makes the choice probably a lot easyer.
Makten wrote
douglasf13 wrote
The lack of an AA filter may improve edge performance, particularly with M lenses, so that'll be an interesting consideration.Thanks Douglas! That makes the choice probably a lot easyer.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:38 PM
p.61 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Seems to me Sony would want the two cameras to perform equally well with 3rd party wides, and just make the differentiator the phase detect AF.
Lower price, lower res, better AF, higher fps = more likely to buy native lenses. Otherwise a $500 adder for high-res.
Lower price, lower res, better AF, higher fps = more likely to buy native lenses. Otherwise a $500 adder for high-res.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:42 PM
p.61 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
theophilus wrote:
Seems to me Sony would want the two cameras to perform equally well with 3rd party wides, and just make the differentiator the phase detect AF.
If that was the case, they wouldn't have an AA filter on the 24mp version, either. It seems to me that the A7 is aimed at native lens users, and the A7r is aimed at alt lens users. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Seems to me Sony would want the two cameras to perform equally well with 3rd party wides, and just make the differentiator the phase detect AF.
If that was the case, they wouldn't have an AA filter on the 24mp version, either. It seems to me that the A7 is aimed at native lens users, and the A7r is aimed at alt lens users. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:51 PM
p.61 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Michiel - the 21/3.4 Super-Elmar-M ASPH. I see my three-lens kit (if I ever actually get out of the house with only three lenses) being the 21/3.4, the 28/2, and the ZM50/2 (maybe the G90). A fourth would be the Elmar 135/4.
The CV15 is so small it'll probably get tossed in the bag no matter what, too :-)
One interesting question for me will be what happens to my R-mount Speedbooster. It's heavier, but shorter, than the regular R-to-E adapter. And I gain a stop, at the expense of pixels - but not much if I use it on the Nex-7 that I already have, and will likely be keeping (or, none if it turns out that the A7R is the camera-to-get for RF wides). The lenses I use with it (35/2 and 60/2.8) aren't my most often-used.
The CV15 is so small it'll probably get tossed in the bag no matter what, too :-)
One interesting question for me will be what happens to my R-mount Speedbooster. It's heavier, but shorter, than the regular R-to-E adapter. And I gain a stop, at the expense of pixels - but not much if I use it on the Nex-7 that I already have, and will likely be keeping (or, none if it turns out that the A7R is the camera-to-get for RF wides). The lenses I use with it (35/2 and 60/2.8) aren't my most often-used.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:52 PM
p.61 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I am guessing the high Mp version is the one for M class legacy lenses and the base model is a steamed up and priced down NEX with FF.
Sony acted wisely in making it a lightly modified quasi RX1 body with a hump and a grip, to cash in on that vanguard product.
It looks great and on that front will be received very well. With the 35/2.8 on it looks like a GT version of the RX1. A terrific move not to call it NEX as well.
The copper ring, bevelled corners, body materials and dials are very RX1. Retail price leaves no room for grumbles, it is another no holds barred market approach. A lot of users will have extreme difficulty staying away for long, unless some large gotchas emerge. It has the potential to drag buyers from everywhere - heavy DSLRs, NEX upgraders, Sony users adding functionality and capacity, Leica users wanting a second body or something different...even mirrorless users moving onto the base a7.
What is also gratifying is that the leaking sources are strongly emphasising the sensor mods for RF wides. I hope they have the adapter issues and body QA well under control as this is the adapter camera par excellence!
Sony's 3rd and 4th current release full frame cameras in just 18 months. And these are the most significant cameras of the year.
Sony acted wisely in making it a lightly modified quasi RX1 body with a hump and a grip, to cash in on that vanguard product.
It looks great and on that front will be received very well. With the 35/2.8 on it looks like a GT version of the RX1. A terrific move not to call it NEX as well.
The copper ring, bevelled corners, body materials and dials are very RX1. Retail price leaves no room for grumbles, it is another no holds barred market approach. A lot of users will have extreme difficulty staying away for long, unless some large gotchas emerge. It has the potential to drag buyers from everywhere - heavy DSLRs, NEX upgraders, Sony users adding functionality and capacity, Leica users wanting a second body or something different...even mirrorless users moving onto the base a7.
What is also gratifying is that the leaking sources are strongly emphasising the sensor mods for RF wides. I hope they have the adapter issues and body QA well under control as this is the adapter camera par excellence!
Sony's 3rd and 4th current release full frame cameras in just 18 months. And these are the most significant cameras of the year.
Oct 14, 2013 at 02:58 PM
p.61 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
good point about speedbooster and whether or not to keep it with an aps Nex!
Cannot wait to see how the rangefinder wides work on the new 7s
and how the Contax Gs look full frame--------
Cannot wait to see how the rangefinder wides work on the new 7s
and how the Contax Gs look full frame--------
Oct 14, 2013 at 03:05 PM
p.61 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Taylor Sherman wrote:
Michiel - the 21/3.4 Super-Elmar-M ASPH. I see my three-lens kit (if I ever actually get out of the house with only three lenses) being the 21/3.4, the 28/2, and the ZM50/2 (maybe the G90). A fourth would be the Elmar 135/4.
The CV15 is so small it'll probably get tossed in the bag no matter what, too :-)
One interesting question for me will be what happens to my R-mount Speedbooster. It's heavier, but shorter, than the regular R-to-E adapter. And I gain a stop, at the expense of pixels - but not much if I use it on...Show more →
Ah, of course! Quality set up you have there. A lot of dough....
If this camera is going really well with (wide) M mount glass, I will probably sell a lot of stuff including the NEX-7 + Speedbooster and keep the Ricoh GXR for family around the house shooting, because it works so well with M mount glass.
Then I will use the VC15, still contemplating which 21, 25 Biogon (love it!), buy the A7r with the Zeiss 35mm, Leica 'cron 50mm and the VC 50/1.5 for low light and I have the 90 and 135 Elmarits. Also have 4 Jupiters 35,50/2, 85 and 135 Could be fun!
Michiel - the 21/3.4 Super-Elmar-M ASPH. I see my three-lens kit (if I ever actually get out of the house with only three lenses) being the 21/3.4, the 28/2, and the ZM50/2 (maybe the G90). A fourth would be the Elmar 135/4.
The CV15 is so small it'll probably get tossed in the bag no matter what, too :-)
One interesting question for me will be what happens to my R-mount Speedbooster. It's heavier, but shorter, than the regular R-to-E adapter. And I gain a stop, at the expense of pixels - but not much if I use it on...Show more →
Ah, of course! Quality set up you have there. A lot of dough....
If this camera is going really well with (wide) M mount glass, I will probably sell a lot of stuff including the NEX-7 + Speedbooster and keep the Ricoh GXR for family around the house shooting, because it works so well with M mount glass.
Then I will use the VC15, still contemplating which 21, 25 Biogon (love it!), buy the A7r with the Zeiss 35mm, Leica 'cron 50mm and the VC 50/1.5 for low light and I have the 90 and 135 Elmarits. Also have 4 Jupiters 35,50/2, 85 and 135 Could be fun!
Oct 14, 2013 at 03:07 PM
p.61 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Not that it would influence my purchase decision, if I were going to buy the A7, but, the more I look at the camera in these pics, the more that I have to admit to myself that it is kind of ugly. The lines of the camera are strange, with the top of the grip stopping between the top plate and body line. I honestly think the NEX-7/6, A900, A99, RX, etc. all look better. Either way, it should be an awesome camera.
Oct 14, 2013 at 03:07 PM