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p.50 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Ugly crap.
Oct 11, 2013 at 08:57 AM
p.50 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
In the center bottom, the A7 and A7r are supposedly the cameras displayed on the pedestals. The EVF hump does not look that big at all proportionally in reality (I think it would be noticeable even at this size) so I suspect that drawing is not accurate.
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/picrumors001/a7-a7r-launch2_zps4e956253.jpg
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/picrumors001/a7-a7r-launch2_zps4e956253.jpg
Oct 11, 2013 at 09:06 AM
p.50 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I agree with the above statement. The sketch is way to disproportionate to look real.
The photo low rez shows a much better looking camera, which is what Sony has been giving us for quite some time....
The ugly one come from Leica (apple version)
The photo low rez shows a much better looking camera, which is what Sony has been giving us for quite some time....
The ugly one come from Leica (apple version)
Oct 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM
p.50 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The drawing is ridiculous, Andrea got punked.
Oct 11, 2013 at 10:30 AM
p.50 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The sketch looks like the sum of the rumours: something RX1-like+viewfinder in the middle+ grip. Not too convincing if you ask me.
Oct 11, 2013 at 10:37 AM
p.50 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Drawing looks fine to me. Like a small m240 sans RF and with the viewfinder on. Notice how close the mount is to the top edge. Not any bigger than it needs to be---they could have left off the finder for me, but that's fine.
@emacs oh yeah, not beautiful like 5d? Well I guess some think OMD is nice looking. M240? Looks like every leica since 60s. Which is OK.
Andrea may get punked here and there, but she has been onit for the most part. Best rumour site I know.
Sony can't please everyone, but they are pleasing me, and that's all that really counts....
@emacs oh yeah, not beautiful like 5d? Well I guess some think OMD is nice looking. M240? Looks like every leica since 60s. Which is OK.
Andrea may get punked here and there, but she has been onit for the most part. Best rumour site I know.
Sony can't please everyone, but they are pleasing me, and that's all that really counts....
Oct 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM
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p.50 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
uhoh7 wrote@emacs oh yeah, not beautiful like 5d? Well I guess some think OMD is nice looking. M240? Looks like every leica since 60s. Which is OK.
Personally, I find the only properly designed mirrorless camera now is Pana GX7.
IMO OM-D is a little freak, just like oly last attempt, OM-1 or whatever it is called
Leica is ugly as well.
Central bump? For what? Fixed EVF?
I would certainly buy EVF-less camera instead of this crap: I don't need unjustified restrictions (fixed EVF, I much prefer shooting tilted 5n EVF and found I use 90° tilt almost all the time – this is the most stable position) and would use add on EVF.
I need discreet camera that doesn't attract attention, not this ugly.
Personally, I find the only properly designed mirrorless camera now is Pana GX7.
IMO OM-D is a little freak, just like oly last attempt, OM-1 or whatever it is called
Leica is ugly as well.
Central bump? For what? Fixed EVF?
I would certainly buy EVF-less camera instead of this crap: I don't need unjustified restrictions (fixed EVF, I much prefer shooting tilted 5n EVF and found I use 90° tilt almost all the time – this is the most stable position) and would use add on EVF.
I need discreet camera that doesn't attract attention, not this ugly.
Oct 11, 2013 at 11:28 AM
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p.50 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
uhoh7 wrote
Sony can't please everyone, but they are pleasing me, and that's all that really counts....
On current SAR voting 63% doesn't like this crap and 37% doesn't have any sense of taste
Sony can't please everyone, but they are pleasing me, and that's all that really counts....
On current SAR voting 63% doesn't like this crap and 37% doesn't have any sense of taste
Oct 11, 2013 at 11:30 AM
p.50 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I really really hope that sketch is not 100% accurate. I've been hoping that the A7 or A7r would be my first step into the mirrorless market but I can't deal with that bazooka sticking off the back of the camera.
Oct 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM
p.50 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, sigh. It might turn out just like that. I just don't understand putting the EVF in the middle, where the presence of the sensor means there's no room for it.
I also like having the EVF at the edge of the camera, but I do sometimes feel like I want to switch eyes (bright conditions, mostly), and this will make it less awkward to use my left eye.
I also like having the EVF at the edge of the camera, but I do sometimes feel like I want to switch eyes (bright conditions, mostly), and this will make it less awkward to use my left eye.
Oct 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM
p.50 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
There is a 21" Trinitron screen in that ugly hump.....I hope
Oct 11, 2013 at 01:05 PM
p.50 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philip_pj wrote:
Assuming the ergonomics are solid.
A big assumption. Neither the NEX nor the Cybershot teams have shown themselves capable of putting out great ergonomics, with the Cybershot team coming somewhat closer. I would sincerely hope that the A-mount team will get a say in the design of these cameras, especially the menus.
Inertial trapped-in-the-past thinking means that DSLRs still have no EVF option. And it is why Canon and Nikon are skating on thin ice.
And how do we observe the thin ice? Canon's and Nikon's continued suspicious profitability, compared to Sony's moral high ground of losses?
Assuming the ergonomics are solid.
A big assumption. Neither the NEX nor the Cybershot teams have shown themselves capable of putting out great ergonomics, with the Cybershot team coming somewhat closer. I would sincerely hope that the A-mount team will get a say in the design of these cameras, especially the menus.
Inertial trapped-in-the-past thinking means that DSLRs still have no EVF option. And it is why Canon and Nikon are skating on thin ice.
And how do we observe the thin ice? Canon's and Nikon's continued suspicious profitability, compared to Sony's moral high ground of losses?
Oct 11, 2013 at 01:32 PM
p.50 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Paul Mo wrote:
I'd love to see Sony make inroads into the pro DSLR world with something bombproof, something stunning.
Agreed. The A900 was on the right track, the A99 lost something again. If they would iterate on the A99, return the colours of the A900, add a more solid (pro feel) body, iterate on the operation, thin the AA filter, rationalise their pricing a bit, and pay attention to the critique that camera got, they could really have something which I would consider switching to. Provided they got support from Zeiss with a ZA line of manual focus lenses, like the ZF/ZE lenses. If they would open up their lens-body protocol that wouldn't hurt either.
But Sony doesn't take the obvious path, they like to jump around, something new all the time, another new body before they fill the holes in the lens lineup.
I'd love to see Sony make inroads into the pro DSLR world with something bombproof, something stunning.
Agreed. The A900 was on the right track, the A99 lost something again. If they would iterate on the A99, return the colours of the A900, add a more solid (pro feel) body, iterate on the operation, thin the AA filter, rationalise their pricing a bit, and pay attention to the critique that camera got, they could really have something which I would consider switching to. Provided they got support from Zeiss with a ZA line of manual focus lenses, like the ZF/ZE lenses. If they would open up their lens-body protocol that wouldn't hurt either.
But Sony doesn't take the obvious path, they like to jump around, something new all the time, another new body before they fill the holes in the lens lineup.
Oct 11, 2013 at 01:37 PM
p.50 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
serhan_ wrote:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-a7-a7r-sketch-shows-the-real-camera-design
That looks like a Nikon J1 with a glued-on grip and a fake viewfinder made of wood. WTF Sony?
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-a7-a7r-sketch-shows-the-real-camera-design
That looks like a Nikon J1 with a glued-on grip and a fake viewfinder made of wood. WTF Sony?
Oct 11, 2013 at 01:40 PM
p.50 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks." To me, a camera is a tool, not a fashion accessory.
The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
Oct 11, 2013 at 03:18 PM
p.50 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
As a frustrated Canon shooter, I couldn’t care less about how this camera looks.
I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting for a high resolution, high DR camera, that will accept my EF lenses. The video-loving slowmos at Canon won’t give it to me, but now Sony will. So thank you Sony, I will preorder this camera.
Good bye shadow banding. Thats all I'm saying.
I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting for a high resolution, high DR camera, that will accept my EF lenses. The video-loving slowmos at Canon won’t give it to me, but now Sony will. So thank you Sony, I will preorder this camera.
Good bye shadow banding. Thats all I'm saying.
Oct 11, 2013 at 03:22 PM
p.50 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The whole SAR putting up sketches of an upcoming camera is a (comical) move to keep the site populated and carry the hype.
I mean really, a sketch?
I mean really, a sketch?
Oct 11, 2013 at 04:03 PM
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p.50 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
dasrocket wrote:
The whole SAR putting up sketches of an upcoming camera is a (comical) move to keep the site populated and carry the hype.
I mean really, a sketch?
Well, will wait for actual release
The whole SAR putting up sketches of an upcoming camera is a (comical) move to keep the site populated and carry the hype.
I mean really, a sketch?
Well, will wait for actual release
Oct 11, 2013 at 04:11 PM
p.50 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
'funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks." '
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'twas ever thus, as the bard said. Humans have always formed strong associations with the appearance of inanimate objects, on which emotional responses are formed. It is hard wired into the older recesses of the human brain. It's one reason idolatry is verboten or tightly controlled in many religions.
The yearning for former camera shapes and 1970s Alfa Romeos, wartime Citroens and 'nostalgia furniture' are examples of this phenomenon. It's also the basis of consumer product design, few would want to drive a Trabant even with Benz mechanicals.
But form follows function to a large extent, the other side of things. Often we get something that flat out works then get to like it afterwards. Maybe all is not lost for Sony ;-)
Best is to just accept many people are this way and are often unconscious of it and may miss the real game here - to have a small light powerful camera! I bet it starts 'looking better' if it works great.
carsten, I included that Lloyd Chambers quote just for you.
A lot of these insider guys get a glimpse of trends earlier than the rest of us schmucks. I thought it was surprising for him to say so.
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'twas ever thus, as the bard said. Humans have always formed strong associations with the appearance of inanimate objects, on which emotional responses are formed. It is hard wired into the older recesses of the human brain. It's one reason idolatry is verboten or tightly controlled in many religions.
The yearning for former camera shapes and 1970s Alfa Romeos, wartime Citroens and 'nostalgia furniture' are examples of this phenomenon. It's also the basis of consumer product design, few would want to drive a Trabant even with Benz mechanicals.
But form follows function to a large extent, the other side of things. Often we get something that flat out works then get to like it afterwards. Maybe all is not lost for Sony ;-)
Best is to just accept many people are this way and are often unconscious of it and may miss the real game here - to have a small light powerful camera! I bet it starts 'looking better' if it works great.
carsten, I included that Lloyd Chambers quote just for you.
A lot of these insider guys get a glimpse of trends earlier than the rest of us schmucks. I thought it was surprising for him to say so.
Oct 11, 2013 at 04:21 PM
p.50 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
50 pages of rumours and expectations, but still no camera. 
Oct 11, 2013 at 04:32 PM