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p.51 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Deconsructing it a little, there are echoes of DSLR design ideas in the grip and front dial and the towering 'pentaprism'; also RX1 definitely in side panels and overall shape and shutter release, well spaced controls no doubt, as well.
Not much of the NEX for fans of that look, I'm afraid. They needed differentiation and got it. This is also instantly recognisable whether you like it or not. Most cameras get used in crowded places and many urban photographers are sensitive to what others think.
Design wise, it's a win, provided they finish it very well in high end body materials. A camera that looks a bit like a sum of parts, but when your company arrives in a new niche and is forging new pathways, that is inevitable.
I don't expect it to win any German design awards as they seem to like that spare, heavier weaponised look as seen in the Touits and Otus. The Japanese have very different aesthetic sensibilities, in general, more emphasis on delicateness and integration, no fear of overt and apparent complexity. Will be good to see the real thing.
Not much of the NEX for fans of that look, I'm afraid. They needed differentiation and got it. This is also instantly recognisable whether you like it or not. Most cameras get used in crowded places and many urban photographers are sensitive to what others think.
Design wise, it's a win, provided they finish it very well in high end body materials. A camera that looks a bit like a sum of parts, but when your company arrives in a new niche and is forging new pathways, that is inevitable.
I don't expect it to win any German design awards as they seem to like that spare, heavier weaponised look as seen in the Touits and Otus. The Japanese have very different aesthetic sensibilities, in general, more emphasis on delicateness and integration, no fear of overt and apparent complexity. Will be good to see the real thing.
Oct 11, 2013 at 04:35 PM
p.51 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If Sony took the RX1 and gave it an open mount, focal plane shutter and added an EVF, then we would have the perfect camera. And that's just what this sketch depicts.
I agree it doesn't appear very flattering. Yet, I'm also convinced the aesthetics will be fine when we finally see the real thing.
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I agree it doesn't appear very flattering. Yet, I'm also convinced the aesthetics will be fine when we finally see the real thing.
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Oct 11, 2013 at 06:05 PM
p.51 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
artd wrote:
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks." To me, a camera is a tool, not a fashion accessory.
The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
I wonder what your wife looks like Purely functional? We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. I tend to think that people who don't enjoy beautiful stuff have no sense of humour. Prove me wrong
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks." To me, a camera is a tool, not a fashion accessory.
The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
I wonder what your wife looks like
Purely functional? We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. I tend to think that people who don't enjoy beautiful stuff have no sense of humour. Prove me wrong Oct 11, 2013 at 06:07 PM
p.51 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ISO1600 wrote:
Michael, I don't think Sony is, or would, put out an updated "add-on" EVF for any camera really, over just putting out a new model to squeeze more money out of customers. I love the thought of the A7(R), I am very happy with my NEX-6, but this is the kind of thing I'd expect from Sony.
I don't think they would either - the cost of upgrading from a NEX 6 for a better EVF is acceptable to me, but if I spend 3k on a FF mirrorless camera it better have a damn good EVF, as that's not the kind of cash I want to drop again in 2-3 years for a new model with a better EVF.
michael49 wrote
Agreed, the EVF is crucial - but one advantage of an "add-on" EVF like the one on the RX1 or the NEX 5N is that it could be updated as the technology improves, not so with a built in EVF.I don't think they would either - the cost of upgrading from a NEX 6 for a better EVF is acceptable to me, but if I spend 3k on a FF mirrorless camera it better have a damn good EVF, as that's not the kind of cash I want to drop again in 2-3 years for a new model with a better EVF.
Oct 11, 2013 at 07:03 PM
p.51 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
carstenw wrote:
We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. I tend to think that people who don't enjoy beautiful stuff have no sense of humour. Prove me wrong
Aesthetic certainly play a role. However, sometimes we have no choice. Personally, I don't find any of the current DSLR shape attractive and yet I'm shooting exclusively with the A99 now. Functionality is of higher priority. As a consolation, the lenses that I mount on this camera are pretty
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We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. I tend to think that people who don't enjoy beautiful stuff have no sense of humour. Prove me wrong
Aesthetic certainly play a role. However, sometimes we have no choice. Personally, I don't find any of the current DSLR shape attractive and yet I'm shooting exclusively with the A99 now. Functionality is of higher priority. As a consolation, the lenses that I mount on this camera are pretty
. Oct 11, 2013 at 07:36 PM
p.51 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
well, when someone pays extra to get a "C" for compact on their zeiss or other lens, or they sacrifice on f-stop to get a 35/2.8 instead of f2 just because it's smaller, it means those people (who exist and live amongst us) do care about the depth dimansion of the camera. And then the camera maker negates all that by putting a protrusion on the back of the camera which is as long as your lens and doesnt need to be there. Awesome
Not to mention the disrespect towards your nose
artd wrote:
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks.
not upset, just amused
Not to mention the disrespect towards your nose
artd wrote:
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks.
not upset, just amused
Oct 11, 2013 at 07:55 PM
p.51 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
wiseguy010 wrote:
50 pages of rumours and expectations, but still no camera.
wednesday or thursday I think
thats 4-5 sleeps
or 10 pages
50 pages of rumours and expectations, but still no camera.
wednesday or thursday I think
thats 4-5 sleeps
or 10 pages
Oct 11, 2013 at 08:04 PM
p.51 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
carstenw wrote:
The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
I wonder what your wife looks like Purely functional? We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras.
it's too bad there aren't any beautiful cameras, just ugly ones for sale these days. i expect this one to continue the trend without pushing the envelope in either direction.
artd wrote
I find it kind of funny how people are getting so upset about how the camera "looks." To me, a camera is a tool, not a fashion accessory.The camera is ugly? What are you looking for, a date? Or for a compact, full-frame mirrorless imaging device?
Purely functional? We form bonds with "stuff" all the time. We love beautiful cars, we abhor ugly cars. The same with cameras. it's too bad there aren't any beautiful cameras, just ugly ones for sale these days. i expect this one to continue the trend without pushing the envelope in either direction.
Oct 11, 2013 at 08:09 PM
p.51 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
50 pages of rumours and expectations, but still no camera.
I know exactly the feeling. Where is this camera already! I just want one FF body that can take every lens i own.
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Oct 11, 2013 at 08:10 PM
p.51 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
carstenw wrote:
A big assumption. Neither the NEX nor the Cybershot teams have shown themselves capable of putting out great ergonomics, with the Cybershot team coming somewhat closer. I would sincerely hope that the A-mount team will get a say in the design of these cameras, especially the menus.
And how do we observe the thin ice? Canon's and Nikon's continued suspicious profitability, compared to Sony's moral high ground of losses?
I personally love the ergonomics of the Nex-7... I think this is a relatively personal thing.
philip_pj wrote
Assuming the ergonomics are solid.Earlier quote
Inertial trapped-in-the-past thinking means that DSLRs still have no EVF option. And it is why Canon and Nikon are skating on thin ice.I personally love the ergonomics of the Nex-7...
I think this is a relatively personal thing.Oct 11, 2013 at 08:13 PM
p.51 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Posted on SAR in the comments. A Photoshop mock-up made according to insider description.
http://cloud.xitek.net/forum/pics/201310/14985/1498531/1498531_1381514425.jpg
Whether the design is desirable or not really comes down to execution and build quality imho.
http://cloud.xitek.net/forum/pics/201310/14985/1498531/1498531_1381514425.jpg
Whether the design is desirable or not really comes down to execution and build quality imho.
Oct 11, 2013 at 09:07 PM
p.51 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
haha that mockup is comical but somewhat exciting.
I'd imagine Sony has put a really nice EVF in this thing.
Unless the sensor is pure garbage (which i'm optimistically doubting), I really don't see how this camera WON'T give me (and a lot other FMers) what I've been waiting for. I think that this camera (A7) + a few M mount primes will be a very awesome kit.
I'd imagine Sony has put a really nice EVF in this thing.
Unless the sensor is pure garbage (which i'm optimistically doubting), I really don't see how this camera WON'T give me (and a lot other FMers) what I've been waiting for. I think that this camera (A7) + a few M mount primes will be a very awesome kit.
Oct 11, 2013 at 09:27 PM
p.51 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ISO1600 wrote:
haha that mockup is comical but somewhat exciting.
I'd imagine Sony has put a really nice EVF in this thing.
Unless the sensor is pure garbage (which i'm optimistically doubting), I really don't see how this camera WON'T give me (and a lot other FMers) what I've been waiting for. I think that this camera (A7) + a few M mount primes will be a very awesome kit.
+1
haha that mockup is comical but somewhat exciting.
I'd imagine Sony has put a really nice EVF in this thing.
Unless the sensor is pure garbage (which i'm optimistically doubting), I really don't see how this camera WON'T give me (and a lot other FMers) what I've been waiting for. I think that this camera (A7) + a few M mount primes will be a very awesome kit.
+1
Oct 11, 2013 at 09:40 PM
p.51 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm already planning on parting with NEX-6 and associated stuff.... For not much outlay after selling that, I should be able to pick up a 15 and 35 Voigtlander pair in Korea (where I'll be this time next month). I'm thinking 15 Heliar (M or LTM, doesn't matter) and 35/2.5 or 1.4 M...
Oct 11, 2013 at 10:25 PM
p.51 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
_julian_ wrote:
Posted on SAR in the comments. A Photoshop mock-up made according to insider description.
I actually like this better than the sketch posted on SAR. I think what I really didn't like in the sketch is that the viewfinder hump has a slightly irregular shape that I'm not used to seeing.
ISO1600 wrote:
I'd imagine Sony has put a really nice EVF in this thing.
The m4/3 rumors admin is suggesting that the camera has the same EVF as the Olympus OMD E-M1 though I haven't seen any details yet about the EVF from the SAR admin.
http://www.43rumors.com/omd-vs-a7-design-not-really-close/
Posted on SAR in the comments. A Photoshop mock-up made according to insider description.
I actually like this better than the sketch posted on SAR. I think what I really didn't like in the sketch is that the viewfinder hump has a slightly irregular shape that I'm not used to seeing.
ISO1600 wrote:
I'd imagine Sony has put a really nice EVF in this thing.
The m4/3 rumors admin is suggesting that the camera has the same EVF as the Olympus OMD E-M1 though I haven't seen any details yet about the EVF from the SAR admin.
http://www.43rumors.com/omd-vs-a7-design-not-really-close/
Oct 11, 2013 at 10:49 PM
p.51 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I'm convinced this thing is going to be ugly. I'm also convinced I'm going to buy one, but I'll wait until reviews come back regarding image quality with wides.
Oct 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM
p.51 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
The drawing on SAR suggests that the camera is very close to a RX-1 body with a grip and an EVF, something the RX-1 was sharply criticized for not having as standard. The rest is merely a matter of cosmetics design, something Sony have been reasonably good at, methinks.
That said, I am sure that we will see all kinds of fiery comments blaming a member's not buying this camera on some feature (or lack of) which will sound pretty ancillary to most other members.
This started with one member of another site saying he wouldn't buy it because it had a center-mounted EVF, rather than a side one like NEX 7.
The thing to remember IMHO is that this will be a highly specialised product. No way are we going to get the very small form factor at no cost, compared to, say, a D800.
That said, I am sure that we will see all kinds of fiery comments blaming a member's not buying this camera on some feature (or lack of) which will sound pretty ancillary to most other members.
This started with one member of another site saying he wouldn't buy it because it had a center-mounted EVF, rather than a side one like NEX 7.
The thing to remember IMHO is that this will be a highly specialised product. No way are we going to get the very small form factor at no cost, compared to, say, a D800.
Oct 11, 2013 at 11:41 PM
p.51 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If it was based off the NEX-7 design I would preorder sight unseen, but these changes make me nervous, is the grip to mount distance better or worse than my 7? How tall is the EVF hump? I can live with a cm high hump, but more than that and it will seriously cause me to rethink getting it, mounting the EVF in the centre may or may not bother me.
Under a week to go till we see some official pics & info.
Can't wait.
Under a week to go till we see some official pics & info.
Can't wait.
Oct 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM
p.51 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
yes, philber. The comments at SAR are simply unreadable and generally incoherent. The madness of crowds in which every member is the individual who is right.
Oct 12, 2013 at 12:01 AM
p.51 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Fact is, there will be no close competition at all for this camera when this comes out. Leica M and Nikon D800 are very different animals IMHO. So, like it or not, we will not be able to go over to a similar competitor just because we like or hate a given feature. This is teh type of situation that gives rise to frustration and outrageous comments when would-be customers don't get exactly what they want -or what they consider they ought to be getting- but at the same time, have nowhere else to go.
I confidently expect the fireworks of outraged comments to start within minutes of the announcement!
I confidently expect the fireworks of outraged comments to start within minutes of the announcement!
Oct 12, 2013 at 12:16 AM