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p.45 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I really hope my Summilux-M 35 works out well on the A7. I'd be much happier with 24MP if it's as good as the sensor on the a99. The AA-less sensor doesn't excite me as much as it would have before I shot the GXR + M. I'd rather sharpen than correct for severe moire. It would also be nice not find the most expensive model the most desirable for once.
Oct 08, 2013 at 01:05 AM
p.45 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
(SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens design
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
Oct 08, 2013 at 03:57 AM
p.45 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
_julian_ wrote:
(SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens design
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
imagine if sony spits out a slim retro-looking camera that accepts M lenses without problems and has a ton of manual focus aids and marked manual controls like fuji, or like, ahem ...other cameras.
And has the best FF sensor ever, priced at $2k-$2.5k
that'll be funny
(SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens design
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
imagine if sony spits out a slim retro-looking camera that accepts M lenses without problems and has a ton of manual focus aids and marked manual controls like fuji, or like, ahem ...other cameras.
And has the best FF sensor ever, priced at $2k-$2.5k
that'll be funny
Oct 08, 2013 at 04:08 AM
p.45 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Spyro P. wrote:
_julian_ wrote
(SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens designhttp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
And has the best FF sensor ever, priced at $2k-$2.5k
that'll be funny
That would be my dream camera
Oct 08, 2013 at 04:34 AM
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p.45 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
This is great! Not sure how my SE 18 will perform, but I'm sure Lux 35 will be stellar.
Oct 08, 2013 at 04:35 AM
p.45 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, this latest rumor about microlenses is certainly a good sign. Nice!
Oct 08, 2013 at 05:52 AM
p.45 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
I really hope my Summilux-M 35 works out well on the A7. I'd be much happier with 24MP if it's as good as the sensor on the a99. The AA-less sensor doesn't excite me as much as it would have before I shot the GXR + M. I'd rather sharpen than correct for severe moire. It would also be nice not find the most expensive model the most desirable for once.
Moire should be less of a problem on a 36mp AA-less sensor than on the GXR, and likely the 24mp variant of the FF NEX with a filter. I agree, the GXR is a moire machine with good lenses. Worst case scenario, open or close the aperture to mitigate moire. Stopping down to f/11 (when light allows for it) on the GXR allowed diffraction to function as my AA filter on the GXR, and was amenable to sharpening up in post.
I really hope my Summilux-M 35 works out well on the A7. I'd be much happier with 24MP if it's as good as the sensor on the a99. The AA-less sensor doesn't excite me as much as it would have before I shot the GXR + M. I'd rather sharpen than correct for severe moire. It would also be nice not find the most expensive model the most desirable for once.
Moire should be less of a problem on a 36mp AA-less sensor than on the GXR, and likely the 24mp variant of the FF NEX with a filter. I agree, the GXR is a moire machine with good lenses. Worst case scenario, open or close the aperture to mitigate moire. Stopping down to f/11 (when light allows for it) on the GXR allowed diffraction to function as my AA filter on the GXR, and was amenable to sharpening up in post.
Oct 08, 2013 at 06:10 AM
p.45 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I agree with you. In my experience with the GXR and Zeiss lenses ( ZM25/2.8 and ZM35/2) moire wasn't rare with certain patterns -urban landscape, fences, netwires- but not a real problem either. I'll take a bit of moire over blurry corners or purple fringing any time.
Also, the A7r has smaller pixels than the GXR-A12M mount, therefore moire will be less frequent.
Also, the A7r has smaller pixels than the GXR-A12M mount, therefore moire will be less frequent.
Oct 08, 2013 at 06:59 AM
p.45 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Optimized sensors for rangefinder wides, very reasonable price and small size. Man, there will be a lot of upset FM'rs here if we don't get all of these rumored goodies.
Oct 08, 2013 at 07:21 AM
p.45 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Optimized sensors for rangefinder wides, very reasonable price and small size. Man, there will be a lot of upset FM'rs here if we don't get all of these rumored goodies.
And European prices way lower than in the USA ( that's my own rumor, rated SR-1 )
Optimized sensors for rangefinder wides, very reasonable price and small size. Man, there will be a lot of upset FM'rs here if we don't get all of these rumored goodies.
And European prices way lower than in the USA ( that's my own rumor, rated SR-1 )
Oct 08, 2013 at 07:28 AM
p.45 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
efgm wrote:
The M9 has plenty of issues with ultra-wides, color shifts galore. Easily fixed with a profile in your RAW workflow. Sony will be no different. Sharpness in the corners is the only question for me. The A7r is a buy day one for me and I'm an M9 owner. I do not wish to pay $7000 for an incremental upgrade from Leica. $2500 to Sony double the pixel count, 50% more resolution in practical terms, superior dynamic range and noise performance.
Leica and Canikon are going to have kittens if, say, the CV15, works as well on the sony as the M240.
douglasf13 wrote
Either way, the NEX-5N still has issues with M wides, and now we're talking about a much larger sensor in the FF NEX, so I'm not hopeful.Leica and Canikon are going to have kittens if, say, the CV15, works as well on the sony as the M240.
Oct 08, 2013 at 09:43 AM
p.45 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
_julian_ wrote:
(SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens design
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
If true and the cameras do produce really fine results with the WA Leica M lenses I will be a very very Happy Camper indeed. Leica on the other hand not so much.
Rich
(SR4) New Sony A7/A7r sensor have optimized microlens design
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-sony-a7a7r-sensor-have-optimized-microlens-design
If true and the cameras do produce really fine results with the WA Leica M lenses I will be a very very Happy Camper indeed. Leica on the other hand not so much.
Rich
Oct 08, 2013 at 09:58 AM
p.45 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
FWIW - the CV15 has terrible color cast on the M240. It has the same (to a lesser degree) issues on the NEX-5N. Interesting developments but I will wait this one out to see how these rumored camera's perform in real life - if any of these rumors are indeed true.... 
Oct 08, 2013 at 09:58 AM
p.45 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Actually the M240 does not have optimized micro lenses for wide angles, probably because it needs to perform equally well with R telephotos. Compared to the M9, it is unfortunately several steps backwards and it relies heavily on in camera software correction. I guess if the Sony has any hint of offset micro lenses it will easily out do the M240.
Oct 08, 2013 at 10:28 AM
p.45 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Gary Clennan wrote:
FWIW - the CV15 has terrible color cast on the M240. It has the same (to a lesser degree) issues on the NEX-5N. Interesting developments but I will wait this one out to see how these rumored camera's perform in real life - if any of these rumors are indeed true....
I think many would be ok with fixing the color casts, now that C1 and LR allow it. It's the smearing that'll be the deal breaker.
FWIW - the CV15 has terrible color cast on the M240. It has the same (to a lesser degree) issues on the NEX-5N. Interesting developments but I will wait this one out to see how these rumored camera's perform in real life - if any of these rumors are indeed true....
I think many would be ok with fixing the color casts, now that C1 and LR allow it. It's the smearing that'll be the deal breaker.
Oct 08, 2013 at 10:29 AM
p.45 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
edwardkaraa wrote:
Actually the M240 does not have optimized micro lenses for wide angles, probably because it needs to perform equally well with R telephotos. Compared to the M9, it is unfortunately several steps backwards and it relies heavily on in camera software correction. I guess if the Sony has any hint of offset micro lenses it will easily out do the M240.
It actually does, in that it the m240 has the unusual, oblong microlenses. The question is, did Leica sacrifice a bit on the wide end for better tele performance, compared to the M9, which seems to be the case.
Actually the M240 does not have optimized micro lenses for wide angles, probably because it needs to perform equally well with R telephotos. Compared to the M9, it is unfortunately several steps backwards and it relies heavily on in camera software correction. I guess if the Sony has any hint of offset micro lenses it will easily out do the M240.
It actually does, in that it the m240 has the unusual, oblong microlenses. The question is, did Leica sacrifice a bit on the wide end for better tele performance, compared to the M9, which seems to be the case.
Oct 08, 2013 at 10:31 AM
p.45 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I know everyone is talking about using Leica M lenses with the new FF NEX and I am also curious about that since I own a few but what about Canon EF mount lenses?
I am in the process of selling my Canon gear but just realized it might be worthwhile keeping one or two of my Zeiss ZE lenses to use with a NEX FF and a 36 MP sensor. Any opinions or experience on using EF lenses with a NEX, any disadvantages besides the size of DSLR lenses? Even if I am tired of the size of DSLR cameras and lenses I am still very fond of some of the Zeiss ZE lenses.
I am in the process of selling my Canon gear but just realized it might be worthwhile keeping one or two of my Zeiss ZE lenses to use with a NEX FF and a 36 MP sensor. Any opinions or experience on using EF lenses with a NEX, any disadvantages besides the size of DSLR lenses? Even if I am tired of the size of DSLR cameras and lenses I am still very fond of some of the Zeiss ZE lenses.
Oct 08, 2013 at 11:51 AM
p.45 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
douglasf13 wrote:
edwardkaraa wrote
Actually the M240 does not have optimized micro lenses for wide angles, probably because it needs to perform equally well with R telephotos. Compared to the M9, it is unfortunately several steps backwards and it relies heavily on in camera software correction. I guess if the Sony has any hint of offset micro lenses it will easily out do the M240.Well, the unusual oblong microlenses do not seem to be as efficient as the offset microlenses of the M9 and GXR. Their advantage is that they work also with telephotos while with offset microlenses it seems 135mm and above will have some loss of performance in the corners. This is one of the reasons why I am not very interested in upgrading to an M240. I think Leica folks were over optimistic about their new micro lens design, but the good old M9 works much better with wides.
Oct 08, 2013 at 12:26 PM
p.45 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
edwardkaraa wrote:
It actually does, in that it the m240 has the unusual, oblong microlenses. The question is, did Leica sacrifice a bit on the wide end for better tele performance, compared to the M9, which seems to be the case.Well, the unusual oblong microlenses do not seem to be as efficient as the offset microlenses of the M9 and GXR. Their advantage is that they work also with telephotos while with offset microlenses it seems 135mm and above will have some loss of performance in the corners. This is one of the reasons why I am not very interested in upgrading to an M240. I think Leica folks were over optimistic about their new micro lens design, but the good old M9 works much better with wides.
Which in part may be why Leica kept the equivalent to the M9 in the ME.
Rich
douglasf13 wrote
edwardkaraa wrote
Actually the M240 does not have optimized micro lenses for wide angles, probably because it needs to perform equally well with R telephotos. Compared to the M9, it is unfortunately several steps backwards and it relies heavily on in camera software correction. I guess if the Sony has any hint of offset micro lenses it will easily out do the M240.Which in part may be why Leica kept the equivalent to the M9 in the ME.
Rich
Oct 08, 2013 at 12:27 PM
p.45 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Joakim, I have no personal experience with EF mount lenses on NEX cameras, but you'll need an expensive adapter in order to have iris automatism. Metabones makes one of these which also autofocuses with certain lenses. (Not your case obviously, because ZEs are MF )
I don't know if there're right now other brands of adapters for EF lenses on NEX with automated diaphragm.
I don't know if there're right now other brands of adapters for EF lenses on NEX with automated diaphragm.
Oct 08, 2013 at 12:30 PM