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p.38 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
sculptormic wrote:
Hopefully new sensors.
Why? The a99 and RX-1 don't seem to struggle with the current 24MP sensor, and I haven't seen the D800 owners complain about the sensor performance.
Is it the RF-wide issue you're hoping they've overcome with new sensors?
Hopefully new sensors.
Why? The a99 and RX-1 don't seem to struggle with the current 24MP sensor, and I haven't seen the D800 owners complain about the sensor performance.
Is it the RF-wide issue you're hoping they've overcome with new sensors?
Oct 02, 2013 at 06:27 PM
p.38 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
freaklikeme wrote:
Why? The a99 and RX-1 don't seem to struggle with the current 24MP sensor, and I haven't seen the D800 owners complain about the sensor performance.
Is it the RF-wide issue you're hoping they've overcome with new sensors?
All the Exmors would benefit from reduction in read noise at high ISO, which would reduce shadow noise and boost DR. Judging from the 6D/1DX/D4/D7100 sensors they could improve things by about 1 stop in the shadows.
sculptormic wrote
Hopefully new sensors.Is it the RF-wide issue you're hoping they've overcome with new sensors?
All the Exmors would benefit from reduction in read noise at high ISO, which would reduce shadow noise and boost DR. Judging from the 6D/1DX/D4/D7100 sensors they could improve things by about 1 stop in the shadows.
Oct 02, 2013 at 06:56 PM
p.38 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Tariq, sorry for ambiguous post - yes, place of manufacture.
FLM, D800 owners seem more likely to complain about lenses 'keeping up', or body issues than sensors. Sony have two fronts open here - one is raw performance and that is already very good as you say; and the other is AF and some way of handling beam angle problems, even if not a complete fix. You would imagine the second lot will get the most attention.
I hope the SAR dude wakes up early and spills all about the 'surprise' he has been fed. It sounds...non-trivial.
FLM, D800 owners seem more likely to complain about lenses 'keeping up', or body issues than sensors. Sony have two fronts open here - one is raw performance and that is already very good as you say; and the other is AF and some way of handling beam angle problems, even if not a complete fix. You would imagine the second lot will get the most attention.
I hope the SAR dude wakes up early and spills all about the 'surprise' he has been fed. It sounds...non-trivial.
Oct 02, 2013 at 07:02 PM
p.38 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
After our recent discussion of the Sony lossy compressed raws (with regard to the RX1), I would like to see Sony go back to offering the option of a non lossy raw format as they did on the a900.
Oct 02, 2013 at 07:05 PM
p.38 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philip_pj wrote:
Tariq, sorry for ambiguous post - yes, place of manufacture.
FLM, D800 owners seem more likely to complain about lenses 'keeping up', or body issues than sensors. Sony have two fronts open here - one is raw performance and that is already very good as you say; and the other is AF and some way of handling beam angle problems, even if not a complete fix. You would imagine the second lot will get the most attention.
I hope the SAR dude wakes up early and spills all about the 'surprise' he has been fed. It sounds...non-trivial.
Will also keep my fingers crossed for having a connection for the ability to accept an electronic remote cable, along with playing nicely with wide angle M lenses, and has excellent long shutter speed capabilities.
Rich
Tariq, sorry for ambiguous post - yes, place of manufacture.
FLM, D800 owners seem more likely to complain about lenses 'keeping up', or body issues than sensors. Sony have two fronts open here - one is raw performance and that is already very good as you say; and the other is AF and some way of handling beam angle problems, even if not a complete fix. You would imagine the second lot will get the most attention.
I hope the SAR dude wakes up early and spills all about the 'surprise' he has been fed. It sounds...non-trivial.
Will also keep my fingers crossed for having a connection for the ability to accept an electronic remote cable, along with playing nicely with wide angle M lenses, and has excellent long shutter speed capabilities.
Rich
Oct 02, 2013 at 07:06 PM
p.38 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, one's going to be bigger and one's going to be smaller :-)
I bet one is going to have the focus contraption where the sensor moves back-and-forth. The other one isn't. That probably is going to be the smaller one, right?
Now they both have built-in view finders :-(.
Both should certainly be capable of firing remote electronic flashes.
24v36.
Well, one of those sensors is going to play nicer with our precious leica wides.
Frankly, for me that aspect trumps everything. That will be the more powerful camera.
We need to send in Austin powers to steal a couple copies and do some tests.
I bet one is going to have the focus contraption where the sensor moves back-and-forth. The other one isn't. That probably is going to be the smaller one, right?
Now they both have built-in view finders :-(.
Both should certainly be capable of firing remote electronic flashes.
24v36.
Well, one of those sensors is going to play nicer with our precious leica wides.
Frankly, for me that aspect trumps everything. That will be the more powerful camera.
We need to send in Austin powers to steal a couple copies and do some tests.
Oct 02, 2013 at 09:39 PM
p.38 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
With an Olympus-like design..sigh
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nex-ff-biggest-surprise-sony-decides-to-go-for-an-olympus-omd-alike-design/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nex-ff-biggest-surprise-sony-decides-to-go-for-an-olympus-omd-alike-design/
Oct 03, 2013 at 12:59 AM
p.38 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Krosavcheg wrote:
With an Olympus-like design..sigh
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nex-ff-biggest-surprise-sony-decides-to-go-for-an-olympus-omd-alike-design/
Well, If this camera brings the resolution and dynamic range that I've been waiting for since the 5D3-disappointment, I really couldn't care less about the design.
I wouldn't mind if it had no viewfinder at all. All I want to know if this will be a dream camera for stuio + landscapes, and when the EF lens adapter will be available.
Bonus points if the camera is tiny.
With an Olympus-like design..sigh
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nex-ff-biggest-surprise-sony-decides-to-go-for-an-olympus-omd-alike-design/
Well, If this camera brings the resolution and dynamic range that I've been waiting for since the 5D3-disappointment, I really couldn't care less about the design.
I wouldn't mind if it had no viewfinder at all. All I want to know if this will be a dream camera for stuio + landscapes, and when the EF lens adapter will be available.
Bonus points if the camera is tiny.
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:09 AM
p.38 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
You can have my copy...
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:12 AM
p.38 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I think we are flooded with too many rumors, sometimes contradictory, but not necessarily untrue. In their typical if not sure produce it all fashion, Sony must have designed a dozen prototypes, and let them out for testing in the wild before committing. I wouldn't be surprised if 4 or 5 FF mirrorless bodies are announced, Nex style, DSLR style, Olympus OM-D style, Leica M style, you name it 
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:16 AM
p.38 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Started a thread before I thought of this thread.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1245116/0
I'm crushed at this development.
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1245116/0
I'm crushed at this development.
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:17 AM
p.38 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I am disappointed, but at the same time was expecting this. NEX-FF in a NEX body was too good to be true by miles...
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:18 AM
p.38 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sony product decision making by dartboard continues....
I'm disappointed because I enjoy my 7 so much, I will ultimately reserve judgment till I see what it looks like, and final judgment will happen after I have it in my hands.
I'm disappointed because I enjoy my 7 so much, I will ultimately reserve judgment till I see what it looks like, and final judgment will happen after I have it in my hands.
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:26 AM
p.38 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but....Japanese don't care about western customers.
"It experiences a wonderful pleasure of photography, please honourably try and it loves, bon appetit!"
"It experiences a wonderful pleasure of photography, please honourably try and it loves, bon appetit!"
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:29 AM
p.38 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
My OM-D has the EVF in the middle, my X-E1 on the left. I also prefer it on the left, but really... I don't care much. A lot of the people that now say they won't buy because of that... will still buy it soon. 
Mark my words.
Mark my words. Oct 03, 2013 at 02:22 AM
p.38 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Sony had a good pocket/rangefinder solution and turned it into a Happy Meal DSLR for Olympus, most likely due to latter's mastodon scale screw up prompting nationalistic Japanese yakuza politicians to scramble in panic to prevent foreign buy-out of a past glory dwelling remain of colossus..
What's done is done anyway and no matter the posts we can't change it.
Those who wanted a new FF toy will surely be happy, and those of is who were looking for a small, discrete travel camera will be waiting.
What's done is done anyway and no matter the posts we can't change it.
Those who wanted a new FF toy will surely be happy, and those of is who were looking for a small, discrete travel camera will be waiting.
Oct 03, 2013 at 04:04 AM
p.38 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Krosavcheg wrote:
Those who wanted a new FF toy will surely be happy, and those of is who were looking for a small, discrete travel camera will be waiting.
You can't be serious?
The rumors say it's only slightly bigger than the RX1... that's tiny. MUCH smaller than a FF DSLR so stop the dramatizing.
Those who wanted a new FF toy will surely be happy, and those of is who were looking for a small, discrete travel camera will be waiting.
You can't be serious?
The rumors say it's only slightly bigger than the RX1... that's tiny. MUCH smaller than a FF DSLR so stop the dramatizing.
Oct 03, 2013 at 04:15 AM
p.38 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jochenb wrote:
My OM-D has the EVF in the middle, my X-E1 on the left. I also prefer it on the left, but really... I don't care much. A lot of the people that now say they won't buy because of that... will still buy it soon. Mark my words.
+1 If the camera performs as expected and is compact, I suspect this will indeed be the case.
My OM-D has the EVF in the middle, my X-E1 on the left. I also prefer it on the left, but really... I don't care much. A lot of the people that now say they won't buy because of that... will still buy it soon.
Mark my words. +1 If the camera performs as expected and is compact, I suspect this will indeed be the case.
Oct 03, 2013 at 04:31 AM
p.38 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Jochenb wrote:
You can't be serious?
The rumors say it's only slightly bigger than the RX1... that's tiny. MUCH smaller than a FF DSLR so stop the dramatizing.
My objection is not with the size but with the form.
Krosavcheg wrote
Those who wanted a new FF toy will surely be happy, and those of is who were looking for a small, discrete travel camera will be waiting. The rumors say it's only slightly bigger than the RX1... that's tiny. MUCH smaller than a FF DSLR so stop the dramatizing.
My objection is not with the size but with the form.
Oct 03, 2013 at 04:50 AM
p.38 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I think we have to see the actual design implementation before passing judgement. Too many unknowns. For instance, it could be that the EVF projects out a little in the rear, preventing the nose from hitting the screen.
Oct 03, 2013 at 04:59 AM