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Archive 2013Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
p.37 #1Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ISO1600 wrote:
One thing that was briefly touched on above, is the SLOW and awful Sony interface.
I'm not sure if it's just me, or my camera (NEX-6), but it is SLOW. I'm not talking "the menus suck", but they are actually slow to go through. Selecting a menu item, going into it, adjusting settings- my camera is slower than almost any CaNikon in recent memory.
Scrolling through the pictures/videos on the card (Sandisk UHS-1) is slower than any camera i've used in the past like 3 years. That is the most irritating thing to me about this camera, even over the DX...Show more →
Don't know, it seems to me to be much faster than the Sigma DPs and the Fuji X100.
One thing that was briefly touched on above, is the SLOW and awful Sony interface.
I'm not sure if it's just me, or my camera (NEX-6), but it is SLOW. I'm not talking "the menus suck", but they are actually slow to go through. Selecting a menu item, going into it, adjusting settings- my camera is slower than almost any CaNikon in recent memory.
Scrolling through the pictures/videos on the card (Sandisk UHS-1) is slower than any camera i've used in the past like 3 years. That is the most irritating thing to me about this camera, even over the DX...Show more →
Don't know, it seems to me to be much faster than the Sigma DPs and the Fuji X100.
Sep 27, 2013 at 07:02 AM
p.37 #2Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Nanh wrote:
I'm not sure if it's just me, or my camera (NEX-6), but it is SLOW. I'm not talking "the menus suck", but they are actually slow to go through. Selecting a menu item, going into it, adjusting settings- my camera is slower than almost any CaNikon in recent memory.
Scrolling through the pictures/videos on the card (Sandisk UHS-1) is slower than any camera i've used in the past like 3 years. That is the most irritating thing to me about this camera, even over the DX sensor.Don't know, it seems to me to be much faster than the Sigma DPs and the Fuji X100.
Both of those, particularly the Sigma, are very slow compared to pretty much anything else.
ISO1600 wrote
One thing that was briefly touched on above, is the SLOW and awful Sony interface.I'm not sure if it's just me, or my camera (NEX-6), but it is SLOW. I'm not talking "the menus suck", but they are actually slow to go through. Selecting a menu item, going into it, adjusting settings- my camera is slower than almost any CaNikon in recent memory.
Scrolling through the pictures/videos on the card (Sandisk UHS-1) is slower than any camera i've used in the past like 3 years. That is the most irritating thing to me about this camera, even over the DX sensor.
Both of those, particularly the Sigma, are very slow compared to pretty much anything else.
Sep 27, 2013 at 07:05 AM
p.37 #3Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
haha, I've said it before, and I'll say it again- if Sony is faster in use than Fuji, i'm GLAD I HAVEN'T MESSED WITH THE FUJI!
Fuji- so slow you might as well shoot film!
Fuji- so slow you might as well shoot film!
Sep 27, 2013 at 07:14 AM
p.37 #4Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
ISO1600 wrote:
haha, I've said it before, and I'll say it again- if Sony is faster in use than Fuji, i'm GLAD I HAVEN'T MESSED WITH THE FUJI!
Fuji- so slow you might as well shoot film!
I have both the X-E1 and a Nex-7. I agree that both the main menues are not very clearly structured, but the most interesting things are directly accessible anyway, so once I have set up my camera (both Nex and X) I just shoot away.
I just finished one week of shooting with the X-E1 and roughly 1000 shots, I hardly ever needed the menu at all. And of course it has the quick menu where every important setting is quickly available.
I change aperture on the lens, sometimes the ISO with the top bottom plus the dial, and the review/ delete button.
Photography is quite simple in the end. Aperture, shutter speed, ISO. And the lenses. Plus file format. Almost everything in photography can be done with those few things.
Not sure why one would have to deal with menus regulary. And I fail to understand why someone would not choose a camera because of the menu structure.
In the DSLRs I have used, the most simple (relatively speaking) was the EOS 5d (1 and 2), the Nikon d700 (and Fuji S5pro) was awful. Way too many options that I never touched.
But in the end I do not look at menus all that much. Just aperture in A mode, and ISO.
Bernie
haha, I've said it before, and I'll say it again- if Sony is faster in use than Fuji, i'm GLAD I HAVEN'T MESSED WITH THE FUJI!
Fuji- so slow you might as well shoot film!
I have both the X-E1 and a Nex-7. I agree that both the main menues are not very clearly structured, but the most interesting things are directly accessible anyway, so once I have set up my camera (both Nex and X) I just shoot away.
I just finished one week of shooting with the X-E1 and roughly 1000 shots, I hardly ever needed the menu at all. And of course it has the quick menu where every important setting is quickly available.
I change aperture on the lens, sometimes the ISO with the top bottom plus the dial, and the review/ delete button.
Photography is quite simple in the end. Aperture, shutter speed, ISO. And the lenses. Plus file format. Almost everything in photography can be done with those few things.
Not sure why one would have to deal with menus regulary. And I fail to understand why someone would not choose a camera because of the menu structure.
In the DSLRs I have used, the most simple (relatively speaking) was the EOS 5d (1 and 2), the Nikon d700 (and Fuji S5pro) was awful. Way too many options that I never touched.
But in the end I do not look at menus all that much. Just aperture in A mode, and ISO.
Bernie
Sep 27, 2013 at 12:39 PM
p.37 #5Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Maybe I'm just used to a lot of different devices, or maybe it's my shooting style, but menus rarely bug me on any camera. I usually set the camera up initially, and then I rarely have to spend much time in the menus after that, outside of a few things like formatting memory cards.
Like Bernie, I just set my RX1 to M mode with autoISO and go.
Like Bernie, I just set my RX1 to M mode with autoISO and go.
Sep 27, 2013 at 12:53 PM
p.37 #6Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
I guess we all have a different subsets of functions we require to be quickly available. And how we experience the response of the physical controls depends a lot what we come from. Both feel and electronic delays/lag.
My reference is a FF DSLR with zero delay and all functions at hand immediately. The best thing with the NEX is the sensor, the UI is the worst. I use NEX despite terrible UI.
NEX cameras reminds me of the difference between cell phones pre-iPhone vs the iPhone, but in reverse order.
Still, I am eagerly awaiting the FF NEX. Lets hope it's small.
My reference is a FF DSLR with zero delay and all functions at hand immediately. The best thing with the NEX is the sensor, the UI is the worst. I use NEX despite terrible UI.
NEX cameras reminds me of the difference between cell phones pre-iPhone vs the iPhone, but in reverse order.
Still, I am eagerly awaiting the FF NEX. Lets hope it's small.
Sep 27, 2013 at 01:34 PM
p.37 #7Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
wfrank wrote:
I guess we all have a different subsets of functions we require to be quickly available. And how we experience the response of the physical controls depends a lot what we come from. Both feel and electronic delays/lag.
My reference is a FF DSLR with zero delay and all functions at hand immediately. The best thing with the NEX is the sensor, the UI is the worst. I use NEX despite terrible UI.
NEX cameras reminds me of the difference between cell phones pre-iPhone vs the iPhone, but in reverse order.
Still, I am eagerly awaiting the FF NEX. Lets hope it's...Show more →
the UI on the NEX sucks i agree, but the shutter lag was better on my NEX-7 than on a 5D or D800 and i never noticed any lag on the dials, so i don't really understand the control lag complaints. maybe it's just what controls i use though? i never really reviewed images on camera and only entered the menus to format a card.
I guess we all have a different subsets of functions we require to be quickly available. And how we experience the response of the physical controls depends a lot what we come from. Both feel and electronic delays/lag.
My reference is a FF DSLR with zero delay and all functions at hand immediately. The best thing with the NEX is the sensor, the UI is the worst. I use NEX despite terrible UI.
NEX cameras reminds me of the difference between cell phones pre-iPhone vs the iPhone, but in reverse order.
Still, I am eagerly awaiting the FF NEX. Lets hope it's...Show more →
the UI on the NEX sucks i agree, but the shutter lag was better on my NEX-7 than on a 5D or D800 and i never noticed any lag on the dials, so i don't really understand the control lag complaints. maybe it's just what controls i use though? i never really reviewed images on camera and only entered the menus to format a card.
Sep 27, 2013 at 01:55 PM
p.37 #8Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
'..I'm just used to a lot of different devices..'
+1
Gary Friedman receives never-ending requests for this or that widget to be 'explained' and 'detailed' with the result his guide books end up 600 pages long.
The only real irksome thing to me is if I make a temporary change I don't want it remembered as a long term change. I got out of Nikons over their nightmarish 4 'custom banks' and 4 'shooting banks' of menus.
Sony have most things just right on this front, a bit more fuss on the RX1 than DSLRs but still very good. Maybe NEX shows its design origins still. Interface experts have an expression: 'don't make me think!' It has to be a 'habituated instinct'.
+1
Gary Friedman receives never-ending requests for this or that widget to be 'explained' and 'detailed' with the result his guide books end up 600 pages long.
The only real irksome thing to me is if I make a temporary change I don't want it remembered as a long term change. I got out of Nikons over their nightmarish 4 'custom banks' and 4 'shooting banks' of menus.
Sony have most things just right on this front, a bit more fuss on the RX1 than DSLRs but still very good. Maybe NEX shows its design origins still. Interface experts have an expression: 'don't make me think!' It has to be a 'habituated instinct'.
Sep 27, 2013 at 06:01 PM
p.37 #9Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
If this is accurate, it's interesting that both the cheaper and more expensive NEX FF Sony's will be manufactured in Thailand. Previously, Sony's higher end cameras have been made in Japan (a900, a99, RX1).
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/indonesian-agnecy-displays-info-about-two-new-fuji-and-two-new-sony-cameras/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-ilce-5000-coming-soon-too-two-nex-ff-listed-on-indonesian-agency/
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/indonesian-agnecy-displays-info-about-two-new-fuji-and-two-new-sony-cameras/
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-ilce-5000-coming-soon-too-two-nex-ff-listed-on-indonesian-agency/
Sep 30, 2013 at 05:59 PM
p.37 #10Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
SAR is now reporting that a FF NEX and an APS-C NEX camera will be announced around October 16 (SR4). 
Additionally, they are suggesting that the camera numbers leaked yesterday were a FF NEX and an APS-C camera.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-nex-ff-and-nex-aps-c-announcement-around-october-16/
Again, such an announcement would be appropriate with the FF NEX camera (s) being shown at PhotoPlus at the Javits Center in NYC from October 24-26.
Rich
Additionally, they are suggesting that the camera numbers leaked yesterday were a FF NEX and an APS-C camera.http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-nex-ff-and-nex-aps-c-announcement-around-october-16/
Again, such an announcement would be appropriate with the FF NEX camera (s) being shown at PhotoPlus at the Javits Center in NYC from October 24-26.
Rich
Oct 01, 2013 at 05:36 AM
p.37 #11Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Hum. This thread started in June? Maybe it should be Nex-FF in 5 months (assuming they go on sale short after announcement
Oct 01, 2013 at 06:39 AM
p.37 #12Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
re: menus- Yes, I agree that once set up, i barely ever need to go into them- but i mess around with video and fiddly eyefi cards often (works better than the built in wifi) and those are about the only reasons i need to go into the menus.
Oct 01, 2013 at 11:16 AM
p.37 #13Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
This is an important update from SAR: the "cheap" FF NEX camera has a 24MP sensor and the expensive one has a 36MP sensor. This has a rating of SR5.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-cheap-nex-ff-has-24mp-high-end-nex-ff-has-36-mp/
Rich
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-cheap-nex-ff-has-24mp-high-end-nex-ff-has-36-mp/
Rich
Oct 02, 2013 at 03:27 PM
p.37 #14Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
you2 wrote:
Hum. This thread started in June? Maybe it should be Nex-FF in 5 months (assuming they go on sale short after announcement
U think that's a long time?
Guess u are not interested in a m240.
5 months is 5 secs in leica years.
Hum. This thread started in June? Maybe it should be Nex-FF in 5 months (assuming they go on sale short after announcement
U think that's a long time?
Guess u are not interested in a m240.
5 months is 5 secs in leica years.
Oct 02, 2013 at 03:33 PM
p.37 #15Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
More updates on SAR!
Two models with different chips in the same housing, 24 and 36mp.
Oohps! The news was here already!
Anyway, it sounds exiting. Hopefully new sensors.
Two models with different chips in the same housing, 24 and 36mp.
Oohps! The news was here already!
Anyway, it sounds exiting. Hopefully new sensors.
Oct 02, 2013 at 03:53 PM
p.37 #16Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
And whatever this means in the comments from Admin,
"It’s indeed a mis of NEX-7 and RX1 camera (if rumor gets confirmed)."
"It’s indeed a mis of NEX-7 and RX1 camera (if rumor gets confirmed)."
Oct 02, 2013 at 04:01 PM
p.37 #17Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
Well, 36Mp in such a pocket rocket changes things in the marketplace, I am glad they had the courage to do that, if true. Errors will be severely punished. Croppers are rewarded, and APS-C upgraders/sharers also, with still large-ish files. And these are 'upgraded sensors' probably in more ways than one (AF-ability being the obvious).
I certainly hope you are wrong about that, Tariq, there is still a difference, very likely. Prob see an image of these very soon now.
I certainly hope you are wrong about that, Tariq, there is still a difference, very likely. Prob see an image of these very soon now.
Oct 02, 2013 at 04:02 PM
p.37 #18Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
inglis wrote:
And whatever this means in the comments from Admin,
"It’s indeed a mis of NEX-7 and RX1 camera (if rumor gets confirmed)."
Sounds to me like 2 things.
1) Will not be a NEX. Instead, it will be a Cybershot xxx. Might be a good thing. With all the resources that group has (now that p&s are dead), we might get updates faster than the 3 years in between camera updates that the Alpha group runs on.
2) Mix of NEX-7 and RX1 means tri-nav but no grip. The no grip part would be very bad news. It would mean tiny battery, low shot count, extra cost for non-native grip.
Just speculation. We'll all know in 2 weeks. This might be the best holiday season yet.
And whatever this means in the comments from Admin,
"It’s indeed a mis of NEX-7 and RX1 camera (if rumor gets confirmed)."
Sounds to me like 2 things.
1) Will not be a NEX. Instead, it will be a Cybershot xxx. Might be a good thing. With all the resources that group has (now that p&s are dead), we might get updates faster than the 3 years in between camera updates that the Alpha group runs on.
2) Mix of NEX-7 and RX1 means tri-nav but no grip. The no grip part would be very bad news. It would mean tiny battery, low shot count, extra cost for non-native grip.
Just speculation. We'll all know in 2 weeks. This might be the best holiday season yet.
Oct 02, 2013 at 04:06 PM
p.37 #19Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
philip_pj wrote:
Well, 36Mp in such a pocket rocket changes things in the marketplace, I am glad they had the courage to do that, if true. Errors will be severely punished. Croppers are rewarded, and APS-C upgraders/sharers also, with still large-ish files. And these are 'upgraded sensors' probably in more ways than one (AF-ability being the obvious).
I certainly hope you are wrong about that, Tariq, there is still a difference, very likely. Prob see an image of these very soon now.
Wrong about what Philip? Are you referring to the likely place of manufacture?
I'm pretty happy Sony decided to go with a 36MP version.
Well, 36Mp in such a pocket rocket changes things in the marketplace, I am glad they had the courage to do that, if true. Errors will be severely punished. Croppers are rewarded, and APS-C upgraders/sharers also, with still large-ish files. And these are 'upgraded sensors' probably in more ways than one (AF-ability being the obvious).
I certainly hope you are wrong about that, Tariq, there is still a difference, very likely. Prob see an image of these very soon now.
Wrong about what Philip? Are you referring to the likely place of manufacture?
I'm pretty happy Sony decided to go with a 36MP version.
Oct 02, 2013 at 05:35 PM
p.37 #20Our prayers have been answered: Nex-FF in 2 months
In the comments, SAR admin seems to be happily surprised by the price of these two FF NEX's, though he has not posted price yet. That's potentially great news. That says to me we may be looking at something closer to $1599/ $2399 for the 24MP and 36MP versions respectively. I suppose that would also jive with the Made in Thailand deal.
Edit. SAR admin later says the prices are what he previously expected (which I believe was more like around 2k for the cheaper one and $2800 for the higher end version), if rumor is correct. Strange that he would be happily surprised by price then (unless that price includes a lens).
Edit. SAR admin later says the prices are what he previously expected (which I believe was more like around 2k for the cheaper one and $2800 for the higher end version), if rumor is correct. Strange that he would be happily surprised by price then (unless that price includes a lens).
Oct 02, 2013 at 05:44 PM