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p.9 #1 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


StillFingerz wrote:
Poetry not required, even it's just an opinion...

Fanboy, not, in 40plus years I've used more then a dozen manufactures bodies/lenses; even the box ones. I just happen to enjoy Canon's designs atm; have since 78. As for viewfinders, I've bodies in use with 100% and less. Sorry, but you just need to know your equipment better before you chastise a new piece of gear, this OP's prose just wasn't phrased correctly, after two weddings he's an expert...not likely, seems he may have missed a chapter or so on the 5D3's usage.

Why attack, these aren't Instamatic's, they are complex
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Thanks for the clarification! As I mentioned above earlier, I agree that the 5D III's AF is superior compared to the MkII, I instantly saw this after the first few tests shots at fast f-stops with this camera. But I never shot myself at a wedding, so I cannot agree or disagree with form's statement in regard to his experience using the MkIII in wedding situations. BTW, I am not counting 40+ years yet in photography, but I am in the 30 years bracket . Glad that we both enjoy this wonderful hobby!



May 21, 2013 at 08:55 PM
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p.9 #2 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


retrofocus wrote:
I never shot myself at a wedding...


Say what? ;-)



May 21, 2013 at 09:04 PM
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p.9 #3 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


retrofocus wrote:
Thanks for the clarification! As I mentioned above earlier, I agree that the 5D III's AF is superior compared to the MkII, I instantly saw this after the first few tests shots at fast f-stops with this camera. But I never shot myself at a wedding, so I cannot agree or disagree with form's statement in regard to his experience using the MkIII in wedding situations. BTW, I am not counting 40+ years yet in photography, but I am in the 30 years bracket . Glad that we both enjoy this wonderful hobby!





May 21, 2013 at 09:08 PM
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p.9 #4 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


gdanmitchell wrote:
Say what? ;-)


I came close a couple of times...



May 21, 2013 at 09:13 PM
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p.9 #5 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


gdanmitchell wrote:
Say what? ;-)


Mitchell, I need to start reading diverse FM forum posts more carefully, for there are some very funny "pearls" to be found therein.



May 21, 2013 at 09:15 PM
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p.9 #6 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


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Oddly the 5D3 doesnt support replacement matte like the 5D2's EG-S. Sensor is disappointing given what Sony/Nikon have on offer. AF is a big step up but as a manual shooter it doesnt matter to me (though I keep a set of L zooms for versatility). Anything else is tiny gradual evolution for what I do, and the missing matte a show-stopper.


Yeah I do really hate the lack of replaceable focusing screens that don't make the metering go bad and are not a pain to put in.

It's very disturbing to be shooting f/2.8 glass and it still looks like from here to infinity is in focus even when using AF. No sanity check, etc.



May 21, 2013 at 09:18 PM
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p.9 #7 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


PetKal wrote:
Mitchell, I need to start reading diverse FM forum posts more carefully, for there are some very funny "pearls" to be found therein.


Here's a funny for ya Peter, yes I actually shot myself, not at a wedding, but on a roof top, in the foot...never be careless when roofing with a 22cal. nail gun Lucky for me I've long toes, as the galvanized 16 penny nail pierced my boot just at the inner steal toe, went right between the big and index toez, at emergency a butterfly fixes the issue, no stitches required...except to my ego which was bashed well for the next month by my buddies who kept me in stitches...oh what fun the summer of 77, roofing for 3 months in 100f plus heat, no excuses I was just playin with 'fire'



May 21, 2013 at 10:03 PM
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p.9 #8 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Hahahahaha

gdanmitchell wrote:
Say what? ;-)




May 22, 2013 at 06:18 AM
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p.9 #9 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


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Hahahahaha



Good citation ! I hope that wedding photographers don't get too desperate either on the job.....



May 22, 2013 at 09:34 AM
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p.9 #10 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


My main beef about these kind of discussions is the use of such phrases as "night and day difference" and "blows x out of the water", when in most cases these statements are hyperbolic nonsense, and in all cases, they are sickening cliches. Please use new wording if you want to be hyperbolic!

My personal opinion is that the 5dIII is better than the 5dII, but not it is not worth it for me to pay the difference for the slight improvement in IQ at very high ISOs. I would like one, but really only because of the built in level and the 100% viewfinder.



May 22, 2013 at 03:33 PM
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p.9 #11 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Robin Smith wrote:
My main beef about these kind of discussions is the use of such phrases as "night and day difference" and "blows x out of the water", when in most cases these statements are hyperbolic nonsense, and in all cases, they are sickening cliches. Please use new wording if you want to be hyperbolic!

My personal opinion is that the 5dIII is better than the 5dII, but not it is not worth it for me to pay the difference for the slight improvement in IQ at very high ISOs. I would like one, but really only because of the built
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That kind of rational and reasonable won't get you anything but trouble in the land of forumtography. ;-)

But, yes, the hyperbolically hilarious hyperbole is incredibly and monumentally astonishing and beyond even the most unimaginable levels of disbelief that anyone could conjure up if they were high and happily hallucinating. Absolutely incredible! Unbelievable.

Night and day, even. ;-)

Dan



May 22, 2013 at 05:09 PM
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p.9 #12 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


gdanmitchell wrote:
That kind of rational and reasonable won't get you anything but trouble in the land of forumtography. ;-)

But, yes, the hyperbolically hilarious hyperbole is incredibly and monumentally astonishing and beyond even the most unimaginable levels of disbelief that anyone could conjure up if they were high and happily hallucinating. Absolutely incredible! Unbelievable.

Night and day, even. ;-)

Dan



Depends what you do. With the new hack the 5D3 video is monumentally astonishingly beyond even the most unimaginable levels of belief better than 5D2 video now.

While not THAT huge the fps bump and some of the AF stuff and so on (even just auto updating C1-C3) can be quite nice as can the instant jump to 100% view and back.

If you needed to track typical sports action with an outer point the difference would be night and day.

For taking mostly scattered low ISO shots manually focused on tripods like you do the difference is kind of vanishing (at best).



May 22, 2013 at 10:30 PM
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p.9 #13 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Discussions about how "good" a tool is, or how much better a "tool" may be than its predecessor, are so pointless without some decent context.

Just as assertions that a tool is or is not "worth it."

If the things that the 5D3 does well are "worth it" to you, given your budget and your needs, it is, by definition, a significant enough improvement over its predecessor.

If it's not, then it isn't.

For anyone to whine about it, as if it's a fraud, is just as silly as for anyone to proclaim it as the answer to everyone's dreams.

For the record, I bought one when they first came out, to replace my 5D2, based on the specs. I love it, and think it's "worth it" for my needs, wants, and budget.

YMMV.



May 23, 2013 at 12:20 AM
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p.9 #14 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


StarNut wrote:
Discussions about how "good" a tool is, or how much better a "tool" may be than its predecessor, are so pointless without some decent context.

Just as assertions that a tool is or is not "worth it."

If the things that the 5D3 does well are "worth it" to you, given your budget and your needs, it is, by definition, a significant enough improvement over its predecessor.

If it's not, then it isn't.

For anyone to whine about it, as if it's a fraud, is just as silly as for anyone to proclaim it as the answer to everyone's dreams.

For the record, I
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The only useful thing I can add is that I have both the 5D2 and 5D3 and yes the 5D3 is a massively more agile, better designed and specified body with much better focusing and features.

But in strictly RAW IQ terms there is little or no difference up to about 1600 ISO. So from that point of view the 5D2 is still excellent value if these improvements aren't important to you



May 23, 2013 at 12:29 AM
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p.9 #15 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I never had the MkII, so can't really judge on whether it is that much better.

From reading reviews all over the web, and talking to a few dealers and pros, I was told one thing.

If it is a slight improvement, and you didn't already buy the previous one, get the newer one.

Frankly, if I bought a II after the III came out, and then realised I needed X feature, or Y capability, I would then be out a couple of thousand.

Instead, I got the III straight up as my first FF, and saved the hassle of having to buy a III a few months later should the need occur.



May 23, 2013 at 12:52 AM
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p.9 #16 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


dhphoto wrote:
The only useful thing I can add is that I have both the 5D2 and 5D3 and yes the 5D3 is a massively more agile, better designed and specified body with much better focusing and features.

But in strictly RAW IQ terms there is little or no difference up to about 1600 ISO. So from that point of view the 5D2 is still excellent value if these improvements aren't important to you


I would even go so far as to argue that up until 12800 they are very similar. At 12800, the 5D3 is somewhat usable where as the 5D2 really isn't designed for that range. 25600 is barely usable on the 5D3 but the 5D2 is packed up and on its way home at that ISO. The real advantages of the 5D3 are in those ultra high ISOs. I would argue that the 5D2 is better for photographing below ISO1600 simply because it doesn't have the ridiculously overpowered AA filter that the 5D3 has (for videography... on a workhorse still shot camera - I still don't understand this decision).

Obviously the real world advantages of AF and a faster shutter trump the sensor changes at a certain point but I don't think those are worth $2000 to plenty of 5D2 owners. Which explains why the 5D2 has twice as many photos taken daily than the 5D3. It just isn't worth the extra money to some people at this point, despite the endless early adopter praise.



May 23, 2013 at 12:56 AM
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kezeka wrote:
Obviously the real world advantages of AF and a faster shutter trump the sensor changes at a certain point but I don't think those are worth $2000 to plenty of 5D2 owners. Which explains why the 5D2 has twice as many photos taken daily than the 5D3. It just isn't worth the extra money to some people at this point, despite the endless early adopter praise.


You are making an unfair comparison there. At the time of launch the price differential was ~$600. Your 5D II has now plummeted in value since it's superseded and out of production and of course second hand it is $2K cheaper, but assuming you bought a new 5D II at launch and now a new 5D III at launch the difference is much smaller than $2K.

Heck why not compare the current new price of the 5D III to that of a 7 year old 5Dc, where the differential is $3K.

Looking at my low ISO shots taken on 5D II and 5D III, I see no proof that the 5D III has this very heavy AA. It does not need more sharpening and they seem very similar. The video is not good I grant, but the ML RAW output is vastly better, so it might just be Canon's heavy handed processing not a strong AA filter? The 5Dc on the other hand did have a weak AA filter and it's per pixel sharpness is wonderful.



May 23, 2013 at 01:21 AM
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p.9 #18 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Looking at my low ISO shots taken on 5D II and 5D III, I see no proof that the 5D III has this very heavy AA.


Agreed, I do not need to sharpen the 5D3 any differently

I shot a corporate event recently with a 17-40L on the 5D3 and a 24-105L on the 5D2 and couldn't tell the cameras apart (all under 1600 ISO)



May 23, 2013 at 02:08 AM
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p.9 #19 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I originally had a 5DC (got it used) I went ahead and sold it and got 5DII...love it but I still have always felt the 5Dc had something wonderful about the images in comparison. I have mates with 5DIII and granted it seems to focus better and has the frames per second, but neither of them have that look I see in the original. I tend to use my 5DII for portraits and landscapes, generally I've never had any issues with the outer points on it or the focusing at all. maybe I got a freaky one. I'm sure when 5D4 is on the market people will be on here bagging the present model as they do. I doubt they would get any different replies as I notice it can be like a pack of hounds in here at times


May 23, 2013 at 03:36 AM
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p.9 #20 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I just think the 5d3 is everything that the 5d series always had the potential to be.

Are there good things about the previous versions that are as good. Of course but I don't think you can make comparisons of some features when a camera is a package.




May 23, 2013 at 03:52 AM
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