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p.8 #1 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


What I find disappointing with the 5D3 is I still don't have the pleasure of shooting one.


May 21, 2013 at 05:02 PM
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p.8 #2 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Mescalamba wrote:
http://www.focusingscreen.com/index.php?cPath=21_134

Well, there are other. If Im correct its S-type converted to 5DMK3. Replacing 5DMK3 is possible, tho given accuracy of MF help in it, not sure its really needed. Not sure if reports were true or not, but most said its MF help is really what its supposed to be.


You're right Mesc - as you since long could replace the matte in various unsupported Canon cams before too. Shiming can be a big issue though. But regardless it is an odd side step from a great Canon tradition. Flange distance is really what keep me with Canon now in wait for a MkIV with an awaited significant sensor upgrade. A tilt screen would not hurt either :-) Who wants to leave the Canon handling for anything else, not me.

With regards to AF-confirm the alt-board was split in two groups. Those happy, sometimes overly happy, with their new investment and energetically justifying it, and those who really rely on fast MF with the OVF. I followed that thread for long and those guys in the 2nd group are the ones using cams similar to me.

With shorter focales and not-to-fast lenses AF-confirm seem a step up from the 5D2 (not confirmed except for more more points to choose from). But for critical eye-hits with 35mm+ F/1.4 and such it's nothing to recon with and will give less keepers than the OVF. And dont forget, you have to tame your AF system (select point(s) to use) in fast social situations, something a good matte simply is born with with a point just anywhere in the screen :-)



May 21, 2013 at 05:06 PM
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p.8 #3 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


jamato8 wrote:
For me, and IMO, they are worlds apart. I feel like I now have the camera I was looking for to replace my 1v, which I still have. It feels solid, and functions as I need and want. Excellent camera and so much better in all areas, IMO, than the 5D2.


+1

This is the first "half size" (non-brick) style body with top of the line AF. It used to be that you could have good AF or a small form factor... not both. While I would have liked slightly better weather sealing, I am very happy with the camera.



May 21, 2013 at 05:17 PM
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p.8 #4 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Shutterbug2006 wrote:
I haven't held a 5D3 in my hands yet.

I'm afraid that if I hold one, that I will end up wanting to buy one.




I intentionally ignored the 5dIII as much as possible, for most of a year. Then, after a frustrating holiday season dealing with my 5dc in low light, I found a great deal on one, so I snapped it up. Now I feel like I can shoot in any light (or lack thereof).



May 21, 2013 at 05:21 PM
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p.8 #5 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


StillFingerz wrote:
Critical comment to follow...

This statement alone pretty much sums up your inexperience, any REAL effort using the 5D3. You just haven't spent enough of your 'precious' time with your 'new-to-you' 5D3 to really make an informed comment.

Clearly ignorance is not bliss, nothing is ever perfect, even an original post the was born from lack of experience.

Hope you find all you need with the 5D3, that it helps you make lots of PAID clients very happy. If not, perhaps save for a 1DX and a workshop on how to fully exploit such a fine bit of design/craftsmanship...like the 5D3 is!


Wow. What an absolute fanboyish ignorant statement, sorry to say this! Not sure if YOU ever even shot with the 5D III - what form describes above is simply that he took into account in the 2% lack of viewfinder coverage in the 5D II, and happened to do the same when using the 5D III because he was used to it. Honestly, I also had to remind me on this when I used the 5D III recently. You get quickly used to 100% viewfinder coverage, when using again the 5D II, you need to go back and add 2% more frame - not a big deal, I do it all the time with my MkIIs.

Forms statement above has nothing to do with ignorance, and he at least was using the 5D III - amazing that you try to deny him an opinion which is not in agreement with yours. Maybe you should do some nice poetry again.



May 21, 2013 at 05:52 PM
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p.8 #6 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


lucas lumiere wrote:
I intentionally ignored the 5dIII as much as possible, for most of a year. Then, after a frustrating holiday season dealing with my 5dc in low light, I found a great deal on one, so I snapped it up. Now I feel like I can shoot in any light (or lack thereof).


My experience also.
I paid $600 more for the 5DIII than I did for my 5D. Well worth it for the improvements over the original 5D.
Especially when compared to the extra paid for the latest series of lenses over previous models.
One has to decide if any upgrade in gear is worth it to THEM.
We have the choice to buy or not.

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May 21, 2013 at 06:10 PM
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p.8 #7 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Yes the 5d classic is...7? years old now...it's only fair the 5d3 should be better.


May 21, 2013 at 06:11 PM
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p.8 #8 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I didn't say I was surprised that it was better in low light, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had a 1DIV that I didn't care to lug around, and wasn't FF. The 5DIII is a FF camera that combines a small form factor with top notch AF and brilliant low light performance. This is the first camera that combines all of those features, so I'm finally a happy camper. I was envious of d700 owners for quite a while, and passed on the 5DII because of the crappy AF.


May 21, 2013 at 06:24 PM
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p.8 #9 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


time2clmb wrote:
The whole ramble should have started with, "Based on MY needs and what I shoot blah blah blah blah blah blah". Sorry but to come to an opinion of others needs and perceptions based on your 1 dimensional shooting style is just silly. Your not going to notice as much of a difference with the focusing system as some one that shoots high speed sports or birds in flight and passing your judgement on to their needs is just idiotic.


I do not believe "two weddings" shot with 5DMkIII would allow anyone to understand the camera's AF intricacies well. Therefore, the OP not only ventured into unfortunate generalisation, I also feel he hasn't had the opportunity to develop sufficient hands on experience with 5DMkIII even as applied to his own photography niche, i.e., weddings.



May 21, 2013 at 06:28 PM
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p.8 #10 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I knew within minutes of mounting my 50L to a 5DIII that the AF was light-years ahead of the old 9 point design. But if one doesn't bother to change their focusing method to take advantage of the new AF array, it would seem like a small improvement.


May 21, 2013 at 06:34 PM
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p.8 #11 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


In fact, I used the outer points very often, for tracking and for one shot. I went back to the center point for one shot in very dim light requiring flash AF-assist because it seemed more accurate...though not perfect by any means.


May 21, 2013 at 06:39 PM
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p.8 #12 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


OK... I stand corrected. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Enjoy the rest of your thread.



May 21, 2013 at 06:44 PM
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p.8 #13 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


Im pretty staggered by saying its only a small AF improvement.
Did or have you ever tried shooting an 85 or 50/1.2 on the street at night with moving targets?
My 1Dmk4's battled to get more than 2 frames in the right place in a string.
The Mk3 and 1Dx are lethal in comparison.
I understand you shoot weddings so you may not see the improvements but that by no means does not mean there is NO major improvement.
With a shower of amazing images taken with the new AF module many of which with any camera would of been highly improbable to take hard its hard to fathom a statement that the AF has barely improved.
Maybe you should put on a 600II go shoot a duck in poor light flying at 90kph and tell us it hasnt improved..



May 21, 2013 at 06:53 PM
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p.8 #14 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


If I was buying...$12k+ lenses to shoot photos of wildlife...then I probably never would have owned a 5d2 in the first place. I would obviously have been using 1d series cameras from early on.

It's not my field.



May 21, 2013 at 07:20 PM
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p.8 #15 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


retrofocus wrote:
Wow. What an absolute fanboyish ignorant statement, sorry to say this! Not sure if YOU ever even shot with the 5D III - what form describes above is simply that he took into account in the 2% lack of viewfinder coverage in the 5D II, and happened to do the same when using the 5D III because he was used to it. Honestly, I also had to remind me on this when I used the 5D III recently. You get quickly used to 100% viewfinder coverage, when using again the 5D II, you need to go back and add 2%
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Poetry not required, even it's just an opinion...

Fanboy, not, in 40plus years I've used more then a dozen manufactures bodies/lenses; even the box ones. I just happen to enjoy Canon's designs atm; have since 78. As for viewfinders, I've bodies in use with 100% and less. Sorry, but you just need to know your equipment better before you chastise a new piece of gear, this OP's prose just wasn't phrased correctly, after two weddings he's an expert...not likely, seems he may have missed a chapter or so on the 5D3's usage.

Why attack, these aren't Instamatic's, they are complex tools that require at least our study, and if we can't figure out an issue then ask for help, don't damn a product, reduce Canon's efforts at designing a 'better' product, just because you can't figure things out, why do this as your way of venting, just ask for help...

As for shooting with the 5D3, yes I have and after 5 minutes with it, it just worked. I asked for some help from a long known friend/shooter; of 40yrs, still a salesman at the local shop I frequent; bought my A-1 from him in 1978. He set the AF at single shot with center point expansion; not sure the number of points selected, 8 plus center if memory serves; time was limited and with my paralyzed finger issue didn't want to waste either of our time or my time shooting.

The 5D3 locked on to near everything in the dimly lit store, to cars zooming by only lit by street lights, it's that good. However when you get in really dark situations the 5D3 can't acquire focus, it does hunt and fail, where the 6D does not. I was in their back room, darkroom area, with light from the store creeping in from an open door. Of the 3 bodies with me only the 6D's AF worked on a shelf stacked with print paper. There was little, but some contrast in the area, the 6D surprised me, that -3ev center point might not be a dual cross type like the 5D3's but it is more sensitive.

I only had 45 minutes with the 5D3 and 6D, just before and after sunset. But have completely read both manuals and a few books prior to my testing. I was trying to decide which one I'll pickup; both are stellar camera's for my needs. My trusty 40D was along for the shoot as was the 100L and 70-200 f4L IS, simply for comparison/feel....there is no comparison.

Retro, yes my comments are harsh, for a reason, how about we not jump the gun on pronouncing a product's dis-abilities until we've figured out if it's our skill set or the equipment that is at fault. I'm not the first to like the 5D3's features nor whine about it's lack of some. I guess my opinion just differs, if I'm being paid for a shoot, shouldn't I know my gear, it's limitations, before the gig

Old school ways die hard I suppose, I study a lot, get to know my gear...well...before a serious shoot/effort, even hobbyist that sometimes get paid must be prepared, at least this one does... my apologies if I offended.

My earlier suggestion of augmenting 'Form's' kit with a 6D seems to have been shot down, I realize the pc-sync option; it's speed, can be a must have...just thought it might be an option, even if it was rented as a safeguard for special situations; the cost would just be part of the deliverable's pricing...

Again apologies for getting personal, sometimes I loose my mind/patience...don't exhibit proper forum etiquette!
Jerry



May 21, 2013 at 07:21 PM
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p.8 #16 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I'm surprised y'all put up with form


May 21, 2013 at 07:32 PM
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p.8 #17 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


He's an easy target ... Fun to push his buttons


May 21, 2013 at 07:36 PM
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p.8 #18 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


I betcha if he were in the real heaven he'd still complain


May 21, 2013 at 07:42 PM
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p.8 #19 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


wfrank wrote:
You're right Mesc - as you since long could replace the matte in various unsupported Canon cams before too. Shiming can be a big issue though. But regardless it is an odd side step from a great Canon tradition. Flange distance is really what keep me with Canon now in wait for a MkIV with an awaited significant sensor upgrade. A tilt screen would not hurt either :-) Who wants to leave the Canon handling for anything else, not me.

With regards to AF-confirm the alt-board was split in two groups. Those happy, sometimes overly happy, with their new investment and
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Yea I was bit suprised about not being able to change screens regular way too. For me its about as important as for you. Canon flange distance is why Im glad they make dSLRs. Im not probably going to buy 5DMK3 anytime soon (tho its pretty nice in hand and suits me like all Canons) but definitely going to add something from Canon to my camera collection. (most likely 1D MK3).



May 21, 2013 at 08:25 PM
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p.8 #20 · 5d3...not much better than 5d2.


kewlcanon wrote:
I betcha if he were in the real heaven he'd still complain


"heaven isn't that much better than hell..."

Ic ould just see the thread.



May 21, 2013 at 08:42 PM
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