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p.291 #1 · Sony RX1, RX1R, RX1R II and RX1R III Image Thread


Maybe a rudimentary question..but, I am going from the I to the II. 24 MP was manageable for some of my b.s. shooting, but 42 MP is going to be overkill.

So my question is this: Say I drop down to 18 MP for some shooting, besides image size, what would I lose? I would imagine that dynamic range would take a hit, but not exactly sure.
May 08, 2017 at 12:46 PM
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Never shot the RX1RII, but I do have the RX1 and have shot the A7RII before going back to the A7II. I don't know that it's the same, but I'm guessing it is give the sensors... When I first switched to the A7RII there was a noticeable difference in the files and I preferred the A7II files. The color looked more organic to me is the best way I can describe it. Now if you need high ISO or lots of resolution there's no comparison. I got an A7II again about 2 weeks ago and have been happy with it.

Edward Teller wrote:
I have noticed more than one person in the last ten pages, or so, (people who are using the RX1Rii now, but have owned the RX1, saying that in some ways they preferred the files from the RX1, but they didn't elaborate on exactly what those ways were. I would appreciate hearing what exactly it was about the files from the RX1 that they preferred over the files from the RX1Rii.
My reason for asking is that I had, and loved, an RX1 until it was stolen a year ago. I have never replaced it, thinking I might get the...Show more →
May 09, 2017 at 10:42 AM
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I've been completely laid up since buying this camera but I try to spend some time photographing my little one eyed rescue. Using an eye fi card I've been shooting in jpg (which I almost never do) and with the soft high key. If you've not tried the high key internal for family or pets it's very very nice.

Obviously it's little snaps around the house right now. I'm hoping my back continues to recover. Then I can shoot some desert landscape.

This lens has some really great character imo. The original rx1 that is.

While I don't expect any of you will be wowed by my little baby girl I figured I may share a couple of shots. I'll get them uploaded somewhere or renew as my upload membership has
Exited.
Mostly I just wanted to say I'm still very much enjoying this camera. I have the ever add on and am using the two part hand grip from rrs (I have the other side but don't leave he drops mount on much as I don't shoot pano right now.

I think the pairing of the lens and sensor is amazing and I do not get the same feel off other full frame body and lens combos. To each their own but this camera maybe more than the later models of it maybe not, I can't say, has a lot of character. From what I see of the later versions why're more technical. It's like they "improved" the character out of it a bit.



May 09, 2017 at 04:26 PM
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May 10, 2017 at 07:06 PM
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Following up on some earlier street shooting, I've changed the way I have my RX1RII set up for a day in the city, with a mix of street and more typical urban scenic shots. Most of the parameters (for auto ISO, shutter speed, etc) I keep on the mode dial, one setting for street, one for general shooting. The aperture is obviously set externally and is very quick to adjust while shooting. The biggest hold up was moving quickly and easily between zone focus and auto focus as my type of shooting changes.

I read about a hack on an old DPR thread that was developed because the manual focus on someone's RX1 was broken. But they found that by just turning the little macro ring, you can focus on a given distance that way, like with a mechanical ring. So, by setting the camera to manual focus and turning it on (where it automatically sets the manual focus to infinity), I found the spot by turning the macro ring where I'm focused precisely at 6 feet (basically 2 meters, which is my go-to zone focus distance for most street work). I did this by opening up to f2 and turning on focus peaking, so I could nail that spot quite precisely - then when I'm shooting in the field with a much smaller aperture, I've got everything from about 1 meter out in good focus for street work. So anyway, I marked that spot on the aperture ring. So when I'm walking around on the street, I can keep the macro ring set to that point and not worry about anything changing since the manual focus ring doesn't work or change anything when the macro ring is not set to one end or the other.

I've also set the camera for back button AF by setting the AEL button for "AF/MF Control Hold". This way, I can leave the camera set to manual focus and auto focus by just pushing the AEL button - this is exactly how I've been shooting DSLRs for years now and is completely intuitive to me. So when I'm walking around, I just turn the macro ring to my pre-focussed spot for 2 meter zone focus and then when I want to use AF for a few shots, I just turn the macro ring back to the normal setting and use the AEL button to AF.

Once I had the camera set up this way and used it for an hour or so, it was a totally intuitive way for me to shoot, coming very close to mirroring the way I use my Nikon DF. I spent a full day in Philly a couple of weeks ago and here are a mix of street and non-street shots from that day.

Philly-10-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

Philly-132-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

Philly-81-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

Philly-117-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

Philly-94-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

Philly-33-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

Philly-174-Edit by Ray, on Flickr

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May 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM
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Joe Marquez wrote:
We found a bird nest in a potted tree outside our kitchen window last week.
These are Red-Whiskered Bulbuls which were introduced to Hawaii from India or Burma in the 1960s.
Here are a few photos with the Sony Rx1rm2.
Aloha.


Joe,

AMAZING shots of those baby birds! I haven't checked in here in a few weeks and missed quite a bit of nice work. But those are really stunning use of the RX1 for close up work...

-Ray
May 13, 2017 at 10:33 AM
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Ray S. wrote:
I read about a hack on an old DPR thread that was developed because the manual focus on someone's RX1 was broken. But they found that by just turning the little macro ring, you can focus on a given distance that way, like with a mechanical ring. So, by setting the camera to manual focus and turning it on (where it automatically sets the manual focus to infinity), I found the spot by turning the macro ring where I'm focused precisely at 6 feet (basically 2 meters, which is my go-to zone focus distance for most street work). I...Show more →

Even if one doesn't intend to zone focus, another advantage of using the macro ring for manual focusing instead of the manual focus ring is that it's much easier to see when the image is optimally focused because it more clearly pops into and out of focus than it does when the manual focus ring is used.

Because the manual focus ring responds to the speed at which it's rotated and not the number of degrees, it can be difficult to fine-tune focus as the optimal focus point is approached since the focus point changes very, very slowly whenever the manual focus ring is turned slowly.

However, if the macro ring is used instead, this is not an issue, because it uses a proper mechanical helicoid, not focus-by-wire, so the change in focus distance as it's rotated is both predictable and consistent, regardless of how quickly or slowly it's turned.






May 13, 2017 at 12:23 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
Even if one doesn't intend to zone focus, another advantage of using the macro ring for manual focusing instead of the manual focus ring is that it's much easier to see when the image is optimally focused because it more clearly pops into and out of focus than it does when the manual focus ring is used.

Because the manual focus ring responds to the speed at which it's rotated and not the number of degrees, it can be difficult to fine-tune focus as the optimal focus point is approached since the focus point changes very, very slowly whenever the manual...Show more →
Indeed. I've always much preferred true mechanical focus rings to focus by wire and this essentially makes the RX1 a mechanical manual focus camera. As you say, whether for zone focus or more critical manual focus tasks...

-Ray
May 13, 2017 at 01:05 PM
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" Garage Door "
Pienza, Tuscany




Garage Door by Werner Utsch, on Flickr
May 13, 2017 at 01:17 PM
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Sorry to be clear and just sum up about the zone focusing. You're suing he macro ring to set focus. Leaving it part way between then two click stop settings? Very interesting.

I leave my camera on DMF and use back button for auto focus tracking as is done with many dslr. I'll have to try this macro setting.

Did the subsequent rx models finally offer lightening fast af? If here's one complaint about the rx1 it's that the autofocus is so slow as to be mostly useless for anything but static subjects. I find that manual focus and face recognition are the fastest way to shoot

Because the price of this camera absolutely tanked (I'm really not sure why it fell so badly) I can't really see a way to upgrade for me. It was a huge purchase and I can't do it again for a new model but also I love the files. So instead I'm very interested to know how many of you work around the slow af particularly for pets. I want to use this camera in my volunteer work for he local no kill shelter but right now I'm restricted to dslr because I cannot get a work around that's good enough. It doesn't help that I'm rusty but indoors zone focusing isn't really a great solution if you don't want to shoot everything at ISO 6400 as you have to keep shutter speeds up. And the af gets worse As it gets dim.


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h00ligan wrote:
Sorry to be clear and just sum up about the zone focusing. You're suing he macro ring to set focus. Leaving it part way between then two click stop settings? Very interesting.

Yes, you're correct. Here's the procedure I use:

Step One: Set the macro ring in the "0.3m - infinity" position.

Step Two: Focus the lens at infinity using either manual focus or autofocus (it doesn't matter, just so long as it's focused at infinity.)

Step Three: Focus on the desired subject by slowly turning the macro ring from the "0.3m - infinity" position toward the "0.2m - 0.35m" position.

Step Four: Stop turning the macro ring whenever the desired subject is in focus. (Note: You can use focus peaking and/or image magnification to help you focus the lens, as they both work exactly the same as they do when focusing otherwise. I typically brush my fingers lightly against the manual focus ring when I start turning the macro ring in order to activate the image magnification function.)

Did the subsequent rx models finally offer lightening fast af? If here's one complaint about the rx1 it's that the autofocus is so slow as to be mostly useless for anything but static subjects. I find that manual focus and face recognition are the fastest way to shoot

The RX1RII focuses slightly quicker than the RX1, but I wouldn't call it particularly quick. I haven't upgraded from my pair of RX1s yet because I rely heavily upon the RX1's pop-up flash and the RX1RII deleted this feature. Boo-hiss!

So instead I'm very interested to know how many of you work around the slow af particularly for pets. I want to use this camera in my volunteer work for he local no kill shelter but right now I'm restricted to dslr because I cannot get a work around that's good enough.

Most of my pet photography is done outdoors while on walks and hikes -- https://abby.aminus3.com/, if you're curious -- so I can't answer your question definitively. However, I do also photograph her indoors at times and IMO, I get decent enough results by zone focusing, using the pop-up flash, and letting the ISO fall where it may ... YMMV!
May 13, 2017 at 03:14 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
The RX1RII focuses slightly quicker than the RX1


You are understating the difference between the two. I owned the RX1 for almost 2 years. Currently I have the RX1RII.
The AF on the RII is in a different league. It's faster, hunts WAY less and is even capable of doing some really decent tracking. The RX1 lacked phase-detection AF. On top of that you couldn't even select a small focus point on the original RX1.
So, the AF is a really big upgrade.




May 13, 2017 at 03:50 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
Yes, you're correct. Here's the procedure I use:

Step One: Set the macro ring in the "0.3m - infinity" position.

Step Two: Focus the lens at infinity using either manual focus or autofocus (it doesn't matter, just so long as it's focused at infinity.)

Step Three: Focus on the desired subject by slowly turning the macro ring from the "0.3m - infinity" position toward the "0.2m - 0.35m" position.

Step Four: Stop turning the macro ring whenever the desired subject is in focus. (Note: You can use focus peaking and/or image magnification to help you focus the lens, as they both work exactly the...Show more →

I think that explains it really well. What I did was just establish where focus is for about 2 meters and painted a tiny dot on the macro ring, so I could hit that spot quickly and easily. I find most AF fast enough for how I shoot most things - the RX1 was fine, the RX1RII is better yet - but nothing on earth beats zone focus for street shooting, at least the way I shoot. To me, just trying to get the focus point on the subject is enough of a process to lose the moment, regardless of how fast the AF is. So I use zone focus for street work regardless of how fast the AF is on the camera I'm using... And the Macro Ring trick really is the way to go for a lot of manual focus on the RX1, although I'm not sure about when you want to be at macro distance...

-Ray
May 13, 2017 at 04:30 PM
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Several years ago I owned an original RX1. It is the only camera I ever regretted selling so I just received another original RX1 this morning, purchased here on FM. Here are the first images from my front yard.
May 13, 2017 at 04:34 PM
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Jochenb wrote:
You are understating the difference between the two. I owned the RX1 for almost 2 years. Currently I have the RX1RII.
The AF on the RII is in a different league. It's faster, hunts WAY less and is even capable of doing some really decent tracking. The RX1 lacked phase-detection AF. On top of that you couldn't even select a small focus point on the original RX1.
So, the AF is a really big upgrade.


I don't doubt you're correct.

I am primarily a view-camera type photographer, both literally and figuratively, so pretty much any autofocus seems "fast" to me. <shrugs>
May 13, 2017 at 04:51 PM
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Ray S. wrote:
I think that explains it really well. What I did was just establish where focus is for about 2 meters and painted a tiny dot on the macro ring, so I could hit that spot quickly and easily. I find most AF fast enough for how I shoot most things - the RX1 was fine, the RX1RII is better yet - but nothing on earth beats zone focus for street shooting, at least the way I shoot. To me, just trying to get the focus point on the subject is enough of a process to lose the moment, regardless...Show more →

The one drawback of focusing via the macro ring is that the minimum focus distance is fairly long, somewhere right about .35m, in fact, which is the maximum focus distance possible with the camera in the macro range. Given the number of times I need to focus closer than that, however, I don't find this to be a big deal.

One more tip: The macro ring is fairly narrow and with my large fingers, I sometimes find it difficult to grab just it and not also the body of the lens or the manual focus ring, especially if I'm hurrying. So I wrapped a pair of black, plastic zip ties around it thusly and filed the cut ends smooth:



Setup this way, it's now (IMO) as quick and easy to focus as any old-school type manual-focus lens. So much so, that I typically use it this way for my street photography rather than zone focus. Because for me, zone focusing with a 35mm lens is often not quite precise enough for my taste.

Now, if the RX1 came with a 28mm lens -- be still my heart! -- then that would be another matter entirely. Because back in the day, I regularly -- and happily! -- photographed using zone focus (aka preset focus) with my much-loved and now much-missed compact film cameras (Nikon 28Ti, Minolta TC-1, and Ricoh GR1)

And if you have a decent amount of finger strength and manual dexterity, the zip ties can be slipped onto and off of the macro ring easily enough, such that you don't need to leave them on all of the time or replace them after every time you take them off.

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Audii-Dudii wrote:
Now, if the RX1 came with a 28mm lens -- be still my heart! -- then that would be another matter entirely. Because back in the day, I regularly -- and happily! -- photographed using zone focus with my much-missed compact film cameras (Nikon 28Ti, Minolta TC-1, etc.)

There is such a camera. It's called the Leica Q. AF is lightning fast, and MF has distance markings and feels like a true helicoid ring, making it perfect for zone focusing. Just set it at 2m and f11, and you are good to go. Expensive--yes, but really a superior camera to the RX1, which I own. Now the RX1RII is a significant advance, especially in the sensor, but I have no personal experience with it and cannot compare it to the Q. Nevertheless, if 28mm is your thing, and you have the cash, the Q will be very hard to beat.

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May 13, 2017 at 05:27 PM
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robgo2 wrote:
There is such a camera. It's called the Leica Q. AF is lightning fast, and MF has distance markings and feels like a true helicoid ring, making it perfect for zone focusing. Just set it at 2m and f11, and you are good to go. Expensive--yes, but really a superior camera to the RX1, which I own. Now the RX1RII is a significant advance, especially in the sensor, but I have no personal experience with it and cannot compare it to the Q. Nevertheless, if 28mm is your thing, and you have the cash, the Q will be very hard...Show more →

Alas, the Leica Q doesn't work for me at all. I dearly wish that it did, but it won't -- can't, even -- at least not without a comprehensive redesign.

There are two reasons for this: It lacks a built-in flash, which is essential for my daytime photography, and it has a 30-second maximum exposure length, which is simply too restrictive for my nighttime photography.

Adding an external flash makes it too bulky and heavy to carry with me everywhere and, unfortunately, there's no good way to work around its 30-second exposure limit for my nighttime photography. (Besides, even for long-exposure photos that are taken within its 30-second max exposure limit, it often suffers weird banding issues in dark shadow areas that make post-processing its files a less-than-pleasant experience.)

Plus, its larger size and weight is also mildly problematic, because I use my RX1 as part of my 4 lb, 5-ounce travel outfit (complete with tripod!), and the Q will not only make it larger and heavier than I prefer, but it also limits me to a single focal length, whereas I have two focal lengths available with the RX1, thanks to the modified SEL075UWC wide-angle converter I also carry in my belt pouch.

(Yes, the RX1's IQ does take a small hit when the wide-angle converter is used, but it's better than not getting the shot at all, right? And while I definitely prefer a 28mm focal length for most things, having a choice between 28mm and 35mm is better than being limited to just one or the other. IMO, anyway.)

If/when Leica addresses these shortcomings (from my perspective) with the Q, then I will happily consider giving them my money for one. Ditto for Sony and its RX1RII, because unless/until they put a pop-up flash inside the body again, I am stuck with using my present pair of RX1s.

Of course, this isn't the worst possible situation to be in -- I happen to like the RX1 quite a bit! -- but it sucks that it always happens that whenever a manufacturer upgrades its original, groundbreaking camera design, they invariably make the new and improved, Mk. II version less useful and/or desirable to me.

Seriously ... I cannot count the number of times I have been shut out of upgrading over the past decade or so because of this.


May 13, 2017 at 06:19 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
One more tip: The macro ring is fairly narrow and with my large fingers, I sometimes find it difficult to grab just it and not also the body of the lens or the manual focus ring, especially if I'm hurrying. So I wrapped a pair of black, plastic zip ties around it thusly and filed the cut ends smooth:

Setup this way, it's now (IMO) as quick and easy to focus as any old-school type manual-focus lens. So much so, that I typically use it this way for my street photography rather than zone focus. Because for me, zone focusing with...Show more →

Nice tip with the zip ties. I may try it but I haven't minded turning the macro ring as is, so I guess I'll wait until it feels like a problem...

I prefer 28mm too - sort of thought about the Leica Q for that reason (and it's built from the ground up for easy zone focus). I have a Nikon Coolpix A that for pure street photography, I like as much as the RX1 except in really low light, and it's a 28mm equivalent with more DOF because it's a crop sensor. But I get along with the RX1 waaaay better than I do with most 35mm or equivalent lenses. I think part of it is it's actually a bit wider than any other 35 I've used - I"ve seen estimates as low as 31.5 or 32mm. I don't know but I know I shot one of the early RX1's back to back with a Fuji X100S and a Nikon full frame 35 and the RX1 was clearly, visibly, wider than the other two. So maybe that's part of why I bonded so easily with it when I haven't with other 35mm lens options...

-Ray
May 13, 2017 at 08:08 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
Alas, the Leica Q doesn't work for me at all. I dearly wish that it did, but it won't -- can't, even -- at least not without a comprehensive redesign.

There are two reasons for this: It lacks a built-in flash, which is essential for my daytime photography, and it has a 30-second maximum exposure length, which is simply too restrictive for my nighttime photography.

Adding an external flash makes it too bulky and heavy to carry with me everywhere and, unfortunately, there's no good way to work around its 30-second exposure limit for my nighttime photography. (Besides, even for long-exposure photos...Show more →

Every camera involves compromises. That is about as true a truism as there is in the world of photography. For me, the Q's 28mm focal length was a compromise that I chose to accept. (My ideal "all-purpose" FL would be 40mm.) But I'm slowly getting accustomed to it and liking it. You evidently have certain lines that you will not cross. That's strictly a personal choice. And it's not as though your RX1 is a piece of junk. It makes superb images.

Rob
May 13, 2017 at 08:17 PM
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