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jamesf99 wrote:
If only people understood that many of those that "own" macs actually ran windows on it it might open some eyes.


While true, it is completely irrelevant. Two statistics are often quoted: the number of Macs sold, which doesn't change, and the number of Macs online, hitting popular sites and whatnot, and this is factored into that.

Oh, and then there's the missing R mouse button....


When was the last time you looked at a Mac? This hasn't been true for years.



Oct 12, 2012 at 02:06 PM
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jamesf99 wrote:
I don't like limiting myself to Jobs-approved, apple-think applications. I can go to Amazon, Google, Samsung, or lots of other places and get Android apps, and will be able to do the same on Windows. I'm also learning to program Android, which I can side-load directly on my tablet, give them to family/friends, and basically do as I please. IOW, I have freedom, which is not a word apple understands.


Just out of curiosity, what are some of these great Android and Windows tablet/phone apps that don't have iOS equivalents?

I'm sure you're aware that iOS developers can also side-load apps directly onto their devices?

Android/Windows have real file systems. Regardless of Jobs' war on the file, only those that drink the Koolaid think files are irrelevant (and many here do). Files will be with us for my lifetime, it's just that apple users won't be able to control what happens to them and will have to ask apple for permission to use one from the iControl, I mean iCloud.

Maybe files and filesystems matter to you, but do you honestly believe they're relevant for most people? I'd strongly disagree on that point. It's a fairly simple trap to fall into: thinking that your own needs and desires are shared by everyone else.

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Oct 12, 2012 at 02:45 PM
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jamesf99 wrote:
And then there are some that simply lack the ability and capacity to understand. Go figure...

PS - have you ever noticed that those that call others "haters" are really haters themselves? There's a 100% correlation in my experience; they use a pejorative like "haters" to dismiss other people/opinions that differ from what they perceive to be the "correct" or "enlightened" perspective, i.e. their own opinion, yet they suffer from delusional myopia and can't see their own hatred. It's quite interesting.

Sadly, as soon as someone accuses another of being a "hater', that person has lost all credibility.


That's pretty funny. I work in technology so I own several android tablets, have a couple of PCs (at home), and occasionally use some ICS phones.

Sad fact is, Apple draws more trolls than just about every other platform. People get religious about choice of platforms which is pretty stupid.

The problem here is I'm engaging, which is always a dumb thing to do when someone is convinced they're right in their bias.



Oct 12, 2012 at 02:54 PM
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I'm not a typical user, but the cons simply outweighed the pros.

A better way of looking at it is what did it do FOR me, as opposed to what it didn't do; the answer to that is basically nothing.

With a dedicated studio I didn't worry about bringing images with me; clients would come to see what I was doing. I think ipads are great if you want to share your images in a more public space - after post processing, getting them into a format you can use, and dealing with iTunes that is.

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Seems to me you have a big problem with Steve Jobs to the point it clouds your reasoning. I'd try to put this aside and judge products without this negative bias. At least when you elaborate on why you don't like a product, you might just stick to the facts without bringing in your emotional judgements on people.

Just saying....



Oct 12, 2012 at 03:15 PM
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carstenw wrote:
While true, it is completely irrelevant. Two statistics are often quoted: the number of Macs sold, which doesn't change, and the number of Macs online, hitting popular sites and whatnot, and this is factored into that.

When was the last time you looked tt a Mac? This hasn't been true for years.

# of mac sold doesnt change mean very BAD. # computer users, # comp per house increase. and in addition: when a company globalized for long term, they gain popularity, thus also gain "Fan boys". and those "Fan boys would just by anything that company will make" I hope your statistic about # macs sold is wrong.



Oct 12, 2012 at 08:28 PM
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I'm actually quite interested in the Win8 tablets, assuming somebody makes a unit like the Asus Transformer Prime, but with an i5 or i7 CPU and a decent RAM ceiling.

I've been using Win8 since Dev Preview and quite like it, Microsoft has finally solved the problem they've always had with full-fledged Windows on a Tablet PC, which is the legacy UI. Metro, for all it's annoyances, is fully usable as a Tablet OS without pulling up legacy apps or UI for regular use. It's only when doing some deep configuration or running legacy apps that you end up with the Desktop UI (functionally, Desktop, the legacy Windows UI, is just a Metro App). This is unsurprising since Metro fundamentally is a port of the Windows Phone 7.5 API and UI on top of the Win7 kernel and running alongside the Win32 userspace, it doesn't depend on the Win32 API or the Aero UI, just on the Kernel, drivers and system configuration, and it can access almost all of the latter.

My use case is pretty simple, assuming a Transformer Prime-like unit. Use it as a pure Metro-based tablet with the keyboard detatched, as a replacement for my Galaxy Tab 10.1", and attach the keyboard to use it as a replacement for my 13" MacBook running a mix of legacy and Metro apps. This allows me to replace 2 devices with a single one that functions well in both modes. My MacBook will be running Win8 anyways, as I like the OS and Apple's abandoned me with Mountain Lion (yes, it will dual-boot Lion). As it'll be just my portable device for general computing and light editing I forsee few issues with a 11-13" screen and this configuration, assuming I can stick at least 4GB and preferably 8GB of RAM in there as an upgrade.

As to Lightroom 4, it runs quite well on my i5 2500K with 16GB and a fast conventional HDD, dunno why people are having issues on i7 powered iMac's with faster HDD's. I've zero issues editing 24MP RAWs on it on my desktop. It doesn't do well on my MacBook but that's because I only have 2GB of RAM in it (need to upgrade it to 4GB at some point).

The iPad isn't an option for me, I dislike the UI and the tying to iTunes, which is why I got the Galaxy Tab in the first place (and with ICS, the Tab is finally quite usable).



Oct 13, 2012 at 07:19 PM
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I have to say, I'm also looking forward to a Win8 Tablet. Almost picked up a Samsung Series 7 Slate a while back(which pretty much has all the specs I'm looking for) but figured I would wait and see what shows up once Win8 hits later this month.

I'm also not happy with the continued dumbing down/ ioSification of what was once an incredible OS imo. It may be that the pendulum is about to swing the other way as Apple has had their day in the sun.



Oct 13, 2012 at 08:51 PM
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vuilang wrote:
# of mac sold doesnt change mean very BAD. # computer users, # comp per house increase. and in addition: when a company globalized for long term, they gain popularity, thus also gain "Fan boys". and those "Fan boys would just by anything that company will make" I hope your statistic about # macs sold is wrong.


An awful lot of fan boys out there.

IPad sales:

Sept. 21, 2012 - 84 million
April 2012 - 67 million
January 2012 - 50 million
October 2011 - 32 million
June 2011 - 25 million
March 2011 - 19 million
Jan. 18, 2011 - 14.8 million
Sept. 2010 - 7.5 million
July 21, 2010 - 3.27 million
May 31, 2010 - 2 million
May 3, 2010 - 1 million
April 8, 2010 - 450,000
April 5, 2010 - 300,000

Let's just say they sold for $500 each. That makes $42,000,000,000 in sales.




Oct 13, 2012 at 09:09 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
I have to say, I'm also looking forward to a Win8 Tablet. Almost picked up a Samsung Series 7 Slate a while back(which pretty much has all the specs I'm looking for) but figured I would wait and see what shows up once Win8 hits later this month.

I'm also not happy with the continued dumbing down/ ioSification of what was once an incredible OS imo. It may be that the pendulum is about to swing the other way as Apple has had their day in the sun.


Actually I think the onslaught is just about to begin with the release of the iPad mini right in the sweet spot as far as price for electronic devices. We are about to see iPad sales sky rocket. Most unfortunate for Microsoft is Apple stealing their thunder by releasing the mini 2 days before Microsoft.



Oct 13, 2012 at 09:17 PM
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chez wrote:
An awful lot of fan boys out there.

IPad sales:

Sept. 21, 2012 - 84 million
April 2012 - 67 million
January 2012 - 50 million
October 2011 - 32 million
June 2011 - 25 million
March 2011 - 19 million
Jan. 18, 2011 - 14.8 million
Sept. 2010 - 7.5 million
July 21, 2010 - 3.27 million
May 31, 2010 - 2 million
May 3, 2010 - 1 million
April 8, 2010 - 450,000
April 5, 2010 - 300,000

Let's just say they sold for $500 each. That makes $42,000,000,000 in sales.


nice googled, BUT Did anyone ask for how many Ipads sold??
Fan boy being a boy.



Oct 13, 2012 at 09:34 PM
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vuilang wrote:
nice googled, BUT Did anyone ask for how many Ipads sold??
Fan boy being a boy.


Nope, but I thought I would bring this discussion back to where it started...tablets not Mac books.

As far as your rude remark, I'll take it for what it is worth...$0.00. Haha.



Oct 13, 2012 at 09:37 PM
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Yep, iPad mini. Exactly my point. Meanwhile, the base that once defined Apple and made them what they are - the designers, photographers, film makers, music producers and so on- are being ignored more and more for these silly consumer toys. As an example, look at the state of the aging MacPro. No USB3, No Thunderbolt...it's been in dire need of a major update for quite a while as it's basic design dates back, amazingly, to 2006! It's practically an antique. It really wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple completely ditched their higher end pro Macs.

On a side note, a long time designer friend of mine - someone who has spent tens of thousands of dollars on Macs for around twenty years now - recently purchased a $2800 Macbook Pro just prior to Mountain Lion. When she went to get her free update to Mountain Lion and was denied, she discovered the thirty day window for the upgrade had passed and was told she must pay for it - even after she escalated the case. The rules were the rules! Obviously, the small amount of money was not the point at all rather the fact that a very long time user was denied a basic customer service courtesy. Something like that would have never happened say six or seven years ago with such a valued customer. I sort of doubt she will be buying any more Mac's after that incident and I now feel bad for recommending that MacBook Pro to her in the first place!



Oct 13, 2012 at 10:10 PM
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If Mac seriously thinks for the pros, They wouldnt abandon making 30 inch display. and Gloss but no matte finish? WoW I love staring at the light bulbs on the monitor.

Their direction is aiming at the mass consumers for maximized profit. Although nothing is wrong, it's just matter of time their quality, break through technologies taking will take huge a step back. Also, Softwares update is virtually nonexist.



Oct 14, 2012 at 03:12 AM
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vuilang wrote:
# of mac sold doesnt change mean very BAD.


I meant that if you put Windows on a Mac, this doesn't change the number of Macs sold



Oct 14, 2012 at 03:26 AM
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vuilang wrote:
If Mac seriously thinks for the pros, They wouldnt abandon making 30 inch display. and Gloss but no matte finish? WoW I love staring at the light bulbs on the monitor.

Their direction is aiming at the mass consumers for maximized profit.


I agree, this is sad, and something which makes me consider leaving the Mac platform. You see, I am a Mac owner and user, but not a fan boy, and use my computers to get stuff done. Unfortunately Linux is still nowhere in the desktop market (no software, apart from the old unix stuff like GIMP and whatever, which doesn't interest me), and I quite dislike Windows, so I guess I am staying for a while.

Although nothing is wrong, it's just matter of time their quality, break through technologies taking will take huge a step back.

That is pure guesswork, not a fact. There is no company on the market with anywhere near the track record of Apple in creating new directions and continually moving along with new technology. You may not like their choices, but who would pass them? Dell? Lenovo? Don't make me laugh. I think Sony is the only company with innovative blood like Apple, and this company is just so schizophrenic that they put out one great product followed by two crap products.

Also, Softwares update is virtually nonexist.

This is just plain wrong. Software updates come all the time. Are you sure you are not thinking of OS updates for Android devices?



Oct 14, 2012 at 03:30 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yep, iPad mini. Exactly my point. Meanwhile, the base that once defined Apple and made them what they are - the designers, photographers, film makers, music producers and so on- are being ignored more and more for these silly consumer toys. As an example, look at the state of the aging MacPro. No USB3, No Thunderbolt...it's been in dire need of a major update for quite a while as it's basic design dates back, amazingly, to 2006! It's practically an antique. It really wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple completely ditched their higher end pro Macs.


Agreed, and this makes me sad. My first Mac was a dual-chip PowerMac with the 30" screen, and it was an awesome machine. Fast like blazes and rock-solid. It came with Panther but I soon moved to Tiger, and then Leopard, and these OSs were very stable and almost glitch-free in operation. Snow Leopard started a slight downward slide, and since Lion and Mountain Lion I am seeing so many more problems than I used to, freezes and weird behaviour. I have moved to a MacBook Air, then MacBook Pro 15" (gave the Air to my girlfriend), and now a Mac mini server, fully loaded with 16GB RAM and SSD + hard drive. All great machines, but not as problem-free as the old PowerMac.

And as you say, Apple has started moving away from the artists and the pros. The development pace of Aperture has slowed to a crawl, to the point that I switched to the (IMO) inferior Lightroom. I feel that Apple does less and less for me with their Mac strategy. That they have neglected the Mac Pro pains me. It is definitely overdue for an overhaul at this point, although I can understand that they don't want to update every time Intel releases some minor variation. To their credit, I think they realise that ditching the Mac Pro would lose their connection to the high-end, which would be an iffy move, strategically, even if it isn't their focus. I expect/hope for a replacement for the Mac Pro at some point which is smaller and less expandable, but still a serious machine, not an iMac.

But one thing I disagree vehemently with you about. I am a programmer with a deep interest in photography, and all this work has to be done on a computer, no question. But in fact perhaps more than half my time spent with a computer is with music playback, video playback, and internet usage, and the iPad is awesome for this, in some ways better than a real computer. This is not a toy, but a device which can offload media playback, communication and browsing completely. I visit many, many sites each day, and none use Flash, which tends to be used by artists for presentation of their websites. HTML5 will take this over, and even Adobe is moving in that direction. So the iPad is a great thing. The iPhone too, the best phone I have ever used, and a revelation in use. I have a NEXUS-7, and while it is quite nice, it isn't anywhere near as good as the iPad. I am all for competition, but my bets are on Microsoft, not Android.

About your friend and the OS update, I think Apple did the right thing. They set a date, publicised it, and stuck to it. Your friend should have been more careful about when she bought, sorry.

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Oct 14, 2012 at 03:48 AM
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snowboarder wrote:
Of course it's greed. There is only one reason they keep this environment so closed.
So they can control all the apps and charge 30% of each app sale.
They don't give the sh#t about consumers and their "experience".
Please check out their numbers. They make more money on apps than on all the Macs.
And they pay 3% taxes...

chez wrote:
Before Microsoft self destructed they had huge profits and were "greedy". How dare them try make the most money for their share holders. How unAmerican of them.

jzucker wrote:
Sorry Chaz, microsoft's system is completely open. NEXT

chez wrote:
Why do you care if it is open IR closed. If you can get applications for less than $10, majority less than $5 what is the problem. I could see if you were a developer, then maybe you can complain...but as a consumer it seems Apple has created a very furtile applications environment that are very reasonably priced and all work nicely on the iPad. From a consumer, I find this a win. I really don't care if Apple is very financially successful using this model. It works for me as I have a ton of very useful applications available
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Hi Chez,

But you can say that about Android too ya know. And I dunno about MS's device platform but if there isn't a million apps for it now there will be in very short order. You're into Apple and that's OK but they weren't the first nor are they the biggest nor are they the best at it. They're just one of three or four doing it. And it's pretty much all the same thing.

Open architecture is a major plus for both developers and users alike. It's a bit like desk-top computers... Open means I can put any of the different operating systems and also have full control over the device and it's behaviors. Closed means I'm stuck with whatever the OEM decides and I have only control over the small parts they allow - which are usually very very limiting. This closedness actually costs the end user extra money, induces a shorter battery life, and makes the devices a little less fun to use - although the later is subjective I suppose.

And then of course there's the whole issue of "ownership" and the rights granted therefrom.

http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/



http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-augmentation-and-electronics-mod-101-hacking-a-relay-into-a-circuit-xda-developer-tv/
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/how-to-build-an-android-app-part-5-arduino-adk-working-with-digital-outputs-xda-developer-tv/
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/verizon-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-unboxed-the-xda-way-xda-developer-tv/
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-accessory-development-kit-adk-2012-unboxed-the-xda-way-xda-developer-tv/

http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/fast-dormancy-the-whole-story-xda-developer-tv/
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/fast-dormancy-save-your-battery-from-3g-drainage-xda-developer-tv/



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carstenw wrote:
Agreed, and this makes me sad. My first Mac was a dual-chip PowerMac with the 30" screen, and it was an awesome machine. Fast like blazes and rock-solid. It came with Panther but I soon moved to Tiger, and then Leopard, and these OSs were very stable and almost glitch-free in operation. Snow Leopard started a slight downward slide, and since Lion and Mountain Lion I am seeing so many more problems than I used to, freezes and weird behaviour. I have moved to a MacBook Air, then MacBook Pro 15" (gave the Air to my girlfriend), and now a
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I think it comes down to what you say about the focus. Apple has transitioned to a much more consumer focus all about monetizing services. As a business, I guess one can't fault them for following the money but a side effect is that where once the focus was on making software and devices oriented towards creating, the primary focus of both now are first and foremost for the consumption of said services. From the software side of things, I believe this creates a conflict and is the primary reason we are seeing the demise of the Mac OS as used for more serious work.



Oct 14, 2012 at 07:43 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yep, iPad mini. Exactly my point. Meanwhile, the base that once defined Apple and made them what they are - the designers, photographers, film makers, music producers and so on- are being ignored more and more for these silly consumer toys. As an example, look at the state of the aging MacPro. No USB3, No Thunderbolt...it's been in dire need of a major update for quite a while as it's basic design dates back, amazingly, to 2006! It's practically an antique. It really wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple completely ditched their higher end pro Macs.

On a
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Can you really blame Apple for putting focus on their iPhones and iPads? That move has made the company hundred of billions of dollars. How much do you think Mac pro's bring into the company?



Oct 14, 2012 at 08:08 AM
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chez wrote:
Can you really blame Apple for putting focus on their iPhones and iPads? That move has made the company hundred of billions of dollars. How much do you think Mac pro's bring into the company?


No, read my response directly above yours. I think it just comes at the expense of the pro market and user.



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