p.8 #2 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
chez wrote:
Can you really blame Apple for putting focus on their iPhones and iPads? That move has made the company hundred of billions of dollars. How much do you think Mac pro's bring into the company?
Noone is blaming Apple for anything, I don't think that's the discussion .
Apple can decide to make only stuffed toys from tomorrow on, that's their prerogative .
As a Mac user, who needs a powerful workstation and notebooks, the concern is that not only the Mac hardware, but also the OS , are taking a backseat and might even face extinction at some point .
As for the iPad etc. and iOS, not only does it take recources away from the Apple computer ( Macs ) development, but the iOS approach also doesn't intersect with the computing part of Apple products .
Basically, iOS devices are not compatible with Macs, in most respects, are not made to be computing devices, and don't even aim to be such .
Hence, iOS and its devices might or might not turn Apple into some sort of Blackberry - just another player in an increasingly tougher market of smart phones and tablets made for simple tasks .
Make no mistake, this market will level out pretty soon .
Without Macs, Apple will no longer have the vast developer support it is enjoying now - you won't catch any developers using iOS anytime soon .
Without the benefit of its own computing hardware and OS , Apple will have to adapt to a Windows only environment for any advanced developing and pro software .
p.8 #3 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Meanwhile, the base that once defined Apple and made them what they are - the designers, photographers, film makers, music producers and so on- are being ignored more and more for these silly consumer toys.
+100000
"Ignored" is a soft word to use here...
There are things which Apple could do to fix some issues and improve some every day tasks
they are simply denying to do. Like if they want to show us their middle finger... Really hard to understand...
A classic example is the quicktime gamma shift. It's been going on for years and would require
Apple to spend two pennies from their 100B cash to fix. And they don't want to...
Mac Pro is obviously another sign they don't give a sh#t about the pro market. Funny thing that is happening
when many major companies released their amazing software for Mac, like the brand new 2013 Autodesk Smoke
or DaVinci Resolve for Mac, etc.
Don't even start me on Shake or FCP... Or Color... The list goes on and on. Phenomenon...
Their operating system slowly turning into a silly joke...
Apple survived only thanks to the hard working creative professionals who supported the platform
over the years. Now they are getting an iPad as a "thank you and f@.. you"...
Yes greed it's all it is. To support FCP as a professional tool Apple would have to maintain tech support,
pay smart people to answer the phones. Instead, they can sell 10000 more iPhones. Easy choice, right?
p.8 #4 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Tomser wrote:
Noone is blaming Apple for anything, I don't think that's the discussion .
Apple can decide to make only stuffed toys from tomorrow on, that's their prerogative .
As a Mac user, who needs a powerful workstation and notebooks, the concern is that not only the Mac hardware, but also the OS , are taking a backseat and might even face extinction at some point .
As for the iPad etc. and iOS, not only does it take recources away from the Apple computer ( Macs ) development, but the iOS approach also doesn't intersect with the computing part of Apple products .
Basically, iOS devices are not compatible with Macs, in most respects, are not made to be computing devices, and don't even aim to be such .
Hence, iOS and its devices might or might not turn Apple into some sort of Blackberry - just another player in an increasingly tougher market of smart phones and tablets made for simple tasks .
Make no mistake, this market will level out pretty soon .
Without Macs, Apple will no longer have the vast developer support it is enjoying now - you won't catch any developers using iOS anytime soon .
Without the benefit of its own computing hardware and OS , Apple will have to adapt to a Windows only environment for any advanced developing and pro software ....Show more →
You really think the tablet market will level off soon. I think it is in it's infancy stages. The new mini price point will reach a much larger market and we'll see the iPads, and tablets in general take off. I read someplace the tablet market only has a 5% market penetration, leaving an awful lot of room for further growth. I see the market take off. Wait till you read the sales volumes of tablets for the Xmas season...I think you'll restate your assessments.
p.8 #5 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Swoop,
Yeah, they've been making these "twist" things for about 5 or 6 years that I know of. I always mean to buy one but end up getting sidetracked by higher spec'd "super" laptops. :-/
p.8 #6 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
I think Apple has ignored certain segments of it's pro market like the Mac Pro.
Even the new imacs are nowhere to be found and long due an upgrade.
It seems their strategy is to strictly focus on mobile devices. And on that end, their "Pro" level Retina display Macbooks are freaking amazing and nobody else has anything like it. A quad core slim light made of metal workstation with an astonishingly good display.
p.8 #7 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
And meanwhile OS X is becoming more and more like iOS with every new release.
What once was a nice OS has been going downhill in terms of both stability and robustness ever since the 10.4 product cycle.
p.8 #9 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
I doubt it. I think the only parts of the OS which it makes sense to merge is a part of the GUI layer. Everything below is so different, from chip architecture to security and file systems.
I really wish Apple would update the entire computer line, rather than just the laptops, and then to work on multi-tasking while networking, the file system, and so on. And they should really nail down those driver bugs or whatever is causing some of my problems. Firewire devices are having a strange effect on Bluetooth input devices on system startup, for example. This stuff should just work.
p.8 #11 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Not sure what you mean Aham...
carstenw,
Yep, that's totally it too. If all one does is install a few apps and not use the system to hard then like PenFly everything seems fine. But try using the system hard or creatively expanding it and it soon becomes apparent how terribly unstable the OS is. One of the more obvious things for me is the their damaged DB files! OS X stores everything (device dependancies, app & document relationships, users and permissions, ACL's, launch services, folder and icon display attributes, the help system dependancies, spotlight, and so on) in DB or "index" files. These DB files become corrupt with even slightly heavy use or anything out of the ordinary. And corruption of these files mean either stuff stops working or doesn't display correctly (and in some cases both). You can go to the support forums and read hundreds of complaints and pleas for help there all of which involve this issue. And Apple has never even tried to fix it AFAIK. The complaints start at OS X 10.0 and increase slightly up thru 10.4 and then burst into a ever increasing plethora of endless cries and complaints. 10.8 is too new I guess but looking at 10.7 it's reached a fever pitch compared to previous versions. I'll assume 10.8 is no different.
And all the time I have NEVER received an update where the technical description ever even mentioned these issues. Or if they did it was to inform the user that it's his problem and he needs to destroy his settings and parts of his system in order to rebuild these DB (index) files.
p.8 #12 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Haha not use the system hard. I guess that depend what you mean. I have VMWare instances running with Visual Studio while also running XCode on a hacked MBP that I installed an SSD and removed the optical drive to do a RAID 0 SSD setup.
I'm also running dual 27" monitors on my 27" iMac with the high res thunderbolt display adapter while running thunderbolt RAID0 through a hacked together Lacie solution. I also opened up this iMac 27, added a specialty SATA splitter so I can run an internal SSD in addition to the internal SATA drive that is required to be in there for firmware based temperature monitoring and fan regulation.
This while multiple computers are all networked together with VNC and Synergy.
There are tons of things worth complaining about OSX and Windows, stability isn't really one of them in general. There are some cross WIndows/OSX/Samba reliability issues that I can't get my head around but other than that my biggest computing complaint is color accuracy even when using monitor color calibration tools like a Spyder and the speed of Lightroom 4. They really need to offload to GPU a lot of high math functions.
p.8 #13 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
FlyPenFly wrote:
I think Apple has ignored certain segments of it's pro market like the Mac Pro.
... And on that end, their "Pro" level Retina display Macbooks are freaking amazing and nobody else has anything like it. A quad core slim light made of metal workstation with an astonishingly good display.
While I agree that the current MBPs have great power, I wouldn't exactly call them workstations - in particular not the Retina, with its glossy display and lack of connectivity .
The display, that's a whole new discussion, no need to go there; but the Retina's Thunderbolt technology just isn't a viable solution yet .
The non-Retina MBP, now that's a sweet machine; I happened to stop by my local Mac store today, and the two models are very similar in size, and weight ; the non-Retina still has all the ports one might need in the field, and is fully compatible with older and recent equipment .
Still not a workstation, where one can connect dual pro monitors and add drives and extension cards , and can choose up to 12 cores and tons of RAM for really heavy lifting .
p.8 #15 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Bifurcator wrote:
carstenw,
Yep, that's totally it too. If all one does is install a few apps and not use the system to hard then like PenFly everything seems fine. But try using the system hard or creatively expanding it and it soon becomes apparent how terribly unstable the OS is. One of the more obvious things for me is the their damaged DB files! OS X stores everything (device dependancies, app & document relationships, users and permissions, ACL's, launch services, folder and icon display attributes, the help system dependancies, spotlight, and so on) in DB or "index" files. These DB files become corrupt with even slightly heavy use or anything out of the ordinary. And corruption of these files mean either stuff stops working or doesn't display correctly (and in some cases both). You can go to the support forums and read hundreds of complaints and pleas for help there all of which involve this issue. And Apple has never even tried to fix it AFAIK. The complaints start at OS X 10.0 and increase slightly up thru 10.4 and then burst into a ever increasing plethora of endless cries and complaints. 10.8 is too new I guess but looking at 10.7 it's reached a fever pitch compared to previous versions. I'll assume 10.8 is no different.
And all the time I have NEVER received an update where the technical description ever even mentioned these issues. Or if they did it was to inform the user that it's his problem and he needs to destroy his settings and parts of his system in order to rebuild these DB (index) files....Show more →
p.8 #16 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Also I finally got around to trying the Windows 8 preview this weekend. The metro UI is definitely slick, but really feels out of place on a laptop instead of a tablet. I'm sure it would be nicer on a tablet. The frequent switches between metro and the legacy desktop were really quite strange and jarring, and frankly I had trouble figuring out how to do basic tasks like configuring my display settings. And I'm not dummy, I've used Windows since 3.0 and work on operating systems for a living. I think a lot of people are going to have difficulty using Windows 8. I found myself wishing I could just turn the metro stuff off and go back to the basic Windows UI that I know and understand.
I honestly can't believe people here are bemoaning the iOS-like features being added to OS X while at the same time singing the praises of Win8, which has been compromised far, far more by its inclusion of features that only seem to make sense for a tablet OS.
p.8 #17 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
The problem with the MBP Retina as a replacement tool one plans on using for the long term are, at the very least:
1) limited on-board graphics performance, particularly since a lot of graphics power is required to deal with that Retina display and it's various on-the-fly interpolation schemes.
2) "Planned obsolescence" design with an Ifixit Repairability score of 1!
- RAM is soldered to the logic board.
- Battery glued in covering the trackpad cable - pretty much impossible to
remove/replace without breaking something.
-Display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it.
If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire
extremely expensive assembly. All per IfixIt
It is a sweet machine but it's not really going to serve as a long term replacement for a workstation. I guess Apple might like for it to as they know folks will probably end up having to replace it every two years or so. Most professional users I know with Powermacs or MacPro's hang onto them for four or five years minimum! They just upgrade what they need. Graphics processors, drives, whatever.
I really wish Apple would have given us the older, much more upgradeable MBP with at least an IPS display. One can much more easily upgrade the drive, ram, battery and so on in that machine (15"MBP) AND it has all the ports, including Firewire, built in. The choice the consumer is left with now has to be the crappy result of an evil marketing scheme - Our Pro users must choose between a more versatile, more upgradeable machine with the same old so so, non-IPS display OR go for our completely non serviceable, planned obsolescence option with the incredible IPS display. I mean wtf? Myself and many other pros have only been asking Apple for an IPS display in a Powerbook for over a decade and this is their solution. Rant over!
p.8 #18 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
^^^ I dunno anything about the device you're mentioning but just from the things you listed I'd say it was a pathetic waste of time, money and space! No thanks!
FlyPenFly wrote:
Haha not use the system hard. I guess that depend what you mean. I have VMWare instances running with Visual Studio while also running XCode on a hacked MBP that I installed an SSD and removed the optical drive to do a RAID 0 SSD setup.
I'm also running dual 27" monitors on my 27" iMac with the high res thunderbolt display adapter while running thunderbolt RAID0 through a hacked together Lacie solution. I also opened up this iMac 27, added a specialty SATA splitter so I can run an internal SSD in addition to the internal SATA drive that is required to be in there for firmware based temperature monitoring and fan regulation.
This while multiple computers are all networked together with VNC and Synergy.
There are tons of things worth complaining about OSX and Windows, stability isn't really one of them in general. There are some cross WIndows/OSX/Samba reliability issues that I can't get my head around but other than that my biggest computing complaint is color accuracy even when using monitor color calibration tools like a Spyder and the speed of Lightroom 4. They really need to offload to GPU a lot of high math functions....Show more →
Yeah, that doesn't really show hard use. Just a rather varied setup.
Now if you had thousands of files moving and being processed in various ways (per minute or per second) to and from each of those sub-systems then yeah... maybe. How you have your system setup (elaborate or simple) is different from system stress.
p.8 #20 · I think i'm going to buy a windows 8 tablet
Tomser wrote:
While I agree that the current MBPs have great power, I wouldn't exactly call them workstations - in particular not the Retina, with its glossy display and lack of connectivity .
Have you looked at the new screen? While it is still glossy, it is a lot less so than previous iterations. I actually thought it was really nice, and would love to own one, but I have learned my lesson from my previous MacBook Pro 15": it is just a little bit too large for me to use it like a laptop. I will wait for the 13" MacBook Pro Retina, or the 13" Air Retina.
