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p.30 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


RX10 With Pancake Zoom Lens:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/7979372707_790c8a3351.jpg




Sep 12, 2012 at 08:15 AM
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p.30 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


There are a bunch of folks here touting Leica's superior resale value, but I'll go out on a limb and say I wouldn't be surprised at all if the RX1 is destined to be a cult camera that increases in value.

A) I don't expect it to sell very well at this price point, I don't expect Sony to make a ton of them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Sony gives up on the experiment sometime in the future.

B) I don't think there's another manufacturer out there who has the technology and expertise to follow Sony in this direction.

So I wouldn't be surprised if the ultra-compact full-frame all-in-one camera is an evolutionary dead end with limited supply... but it's clearly going to have appeal to a subset of photographers, who won't be able to find this particular combination of capabilities anywhere else. It's like this generation's Plaubel Makina...which is still shockingly expensive for such an old camera. Or to use another closer analogy, the Sony DSC-R1, which held value for an awful long time.



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:16 AM
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p.30 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


It may very well end up being a cult camera, but I suspect it will enjoy greater sales, particularly if the lens delivers big time.

I also suspect that some of the other camera makers can not and will not let the RX1 go unanswered. I think Canon, Nikon or even Ricoh will feel forced to bring something similar to market, if for no other reason but to prove they can do it.



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:23 AM
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p.30 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I don't think either Nikon or Canon will answer the RX1, and I doubt they will have to. It is very neat, but aimed at an impossibly small market.


Sep 12, 2012 at 08:31 AM
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p.30 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


carstenw wrote:
I don't think either Nikon or Canon will answer the RX1, and I doubt they will have to. It is very neat, but aimed at an impossibly small market.


I don't think it would be about market feasibility at all in order for one of the big two to answer. More about saving face, showing what they are capable of and reasserting their position in the industry. Both have created such halo products in the past.



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:43 AM
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p.30 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I'm reading reports that the European price is 3100 euro?! A store where I sometimes buy stuff also has it already listed for that price. Would this be true?



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:43 AM
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p.30 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


RX100 vs RX1 Size Comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#332,376




Sep 12, 2012 at 08:50 AM
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p.30 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Jochenb wrote:
I'm reading reports that the European price is 3100 euro?! A store where I sometimes buy stuff also has it already listed for that price. Would this be true?


If you look earlier in the thread you'll see my link to WEX (UK) showing £2600 w/o VF.



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:51 AM
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p.30 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


ricardovaste wrote:
If you look earlier in the thread you'll see my link to WEX (UK) showing £2600 w/o VF.


Ok so it is true... that's insane.

3100 euro is almost 4000$!



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:54 AM
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p.30 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


EOS20 wrote:
RX100 vs RX1 Size Comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#332,376



Quite remarkable. The only dimension that really prevents it from being as portable as say the Fuji X100 is the depth of 2.74, due to the lens (and, of course the added height of the finder if you added one).



Sep 12, 2012 at 08:57 AM
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p.30 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Jochenb wrote:
Ok so it is true... that's insane.

3100 euro is almost 4000$!


Use the $1200 to take a photo trip to the US and buy it here.



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:00 AM
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p.30 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Jochenb wrote:
Ok so it is true... that's insane.

3100 euro is almost 4000$!


Usual story with US-UK pricing though, you can't really be too surprised. You can be angry, disappointed, oh yes :-)

Size comparison is useful - I just compared it to my Samsung EX1 - virtually identical face on. So it'll definitely need a grip at the front.



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:01 AM
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p.30 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Expected price at the largest camera store here in Norway is 4179$.

At that price there is no chance in hell I'm getting one.



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:10 AM
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p.30 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


On another aspect, isn't a max shutter speed of 1/2000 sec combined with a base iso 200 a little limiting for bright sunlight


Sep 12, 2012 at 09:15 AM
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p.30 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


agentbird wrote:
Expected price at the largest camera store here in Norway is 4179$.

At that price there is no chance in hell I'm getting one.



How is the price differential against an M9 in terms of %, is it the same % difference to get an M9 as it is in the US?



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:20 AM
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p.30 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I'm talking about the euro Ricardo and normally in the worst case it's US dollar = Euro. When I look at other Sony cameras the Euro prices (just the actual numbers) are mostly lower than the dollar ones (sometimes more or less equal).
That's why I'm thinking this is insane. I'm def. not buying one for 3100 euro.

Safcraft, yes it's limiting. You'll have to use a ND filter on the lens.



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:20 AM
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p.30 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I think the base iso is 100, but the "slow" max shutter speed is indeed limiting. I hope Sony won't cripple the NEX-9 like this.


Sep 12, 2012 at 09:22 AM
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p.30 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


hiepphotog wrote:
I think the base iso is 100, but the "slow" max shutter speed is indeed limiting. I hope Sony won't cripple the NEX-9 like this.


It's because of the RX1's leaf shutter, so it shouldn't be an issue, although there is no such thing as a Nex-9.



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:24 AM
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p.30 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


ken.vs.ryu wrote:
Use the $1200 to take a photo trip to the US and buy it here.


Yes if only Sony had an international warranty...



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:24 AM
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p.30 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I don't know if this has been posted here, sorry if it was.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/12/Sony-Cyber-Shot-DSC-RX1-preview-video-full-frame-24MP-35mm-F2-camera-carl-zeiss
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/images/accessories1.jpg

The size looks acceptable to me, I will have to try one out.



Sep 12, 2012 at 09:29 AM
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