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p.13 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


douglasf13 wrote:
There is a difference between elements sitting well into the throat and very large elements a few mm away from the sensor. The latter you only see in fixed lens cameras.


Yes, Fuji sort of set the bar high with what they accomplished with the X100's lens (it's very large rear element sitting so close to the sensor).



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:24 AM
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p.13 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


wfrank wrote:
Is it totally unthinkable that this could have a soft lens-release? Has it been confirmed that it IS a fixed lens camera?

(maybe this has been already dealt with, sry if so)


We won't totally know until the announcement on September 12. However, a lot of the rumors pouring in indicate a fixed lens.



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:25 AM
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p.13 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


What is this button below. DOF preview, or some sort of custom button?

http://oi45./flxe7b.jpg



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:30 AM
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p.13 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yes, Fuji sort of set the bar high with what they accomplished with the X100's lens (it's very large rear element sitting so close to the sensor).


Yep, although, to be fair, the RX1's ancient relative, the R1, did this long before the X100.



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:31 AM
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p.13 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


ricardovaste wrote:
What is this button below. DOF preview, or some sort of custom button?

http://oi45./flxe7b.jpg



The rear one looks like a video button, the one on the bottom of the lens could be a DOF preview button or a lock for the aperture ring?








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Sep 10, 2012 at 09:32 AM
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p.13 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


photo.guy wrote:
Personally, almost nothing I shoot is time-sensitive, so I always manually expose the image and look at the histogram. (live luminance histogram on NEX, and I’ll look at the RGB one if there are bright colours in the scene)

This way I can expose to the right to maximise SNR, rather than meter the image so that it looks good on the camera screen. (usually under-exposed for RAW)


I do completely understand that. If I have the time, ie landscapes, I will often do a preview and adjust accordingly. But even for something slow like a portrait, I'm still using the metering system because it gives me a consistent approach, which is efficient and simple. You can ETTR with this method as well, if you know your meter. But most of my work is time-sensitive in honesty, so perhaps why I'm a bit perplexed by the technique. Nothing personal at all, I was genuinely curious about how people use this snap on OVF's.



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:34 AM
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p.13 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


EOS20 wrote:
The rear one looks like a video button, the one on the bottom of the lens could be a DOF preview button?



I saw the video button, I was just trying to delete it . Nothing against video, I just think it should be hidden so you can't accidentally press it. Of course, if you can disable/customise it that's no issue. DOF button, I guess it must be...



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:35 AM
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p.13 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Snap on OVFs, generally, are used for quick, street-type photography where focus and exposure are preset ahead of time. Perfect exposure and focus need not apply.


Sep 10, 2012 at 09:37 AM
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p.13 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


ricardovaste wrote:
What is this button below. DOF preview, or some sort of custom button?

http://oi45./flxe7b.jpg


I'm glad to see that there is both a rear dial and thumb wheel.



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:41 AM
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p.13 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)



Thinking of this and looking at the above comparison to the 24/1.8 (which after all is for APS-C), I would hazard a guess that maybe the lens is in fact collapsible and we're looking at it in it's collapsed state. It just seems too small to be true. Also, the way the lens barrel looks from the front (lens hood bayonet has a pretty small diameter and is surrounded by other stuff), I think it is well possible that the lens will extend somewhat to make it ready for use. If it doesn't, the lens is indeed remarkably compact.


not really

http://www.adorama.com/LC352MA.html


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Sep 10, 2012 at 09:44 AM
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p.13 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


EOS20 wrote:
The rear one looks like a video button, the one on the bottom of the lens could be a DOF preview button or a lock for the aperture ring?




The one on the bottom of the lens looks like a screw head!



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:44 AM
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p.13 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I'm guessing that button is a lock for the focus range limiter ring.


Sep 10, 2012 at 09:45 AM
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p.13 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Perhaps if we press it it'll transform into a set of car keys and fit in our pocket

Good spot on the rear wheel.



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:46 AM
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p.13 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


snowboarder wrote:
I don't agree, I think R1 required an amazing amount of R&D to make it happen.
That sensor must be tweaked, no way this is the same as a large DSLR.
The lens is also new, probably a revolutionary design to be so close to a FF sensor
and still work



R&D when spread over many product copies, is small. Further, much of the R&D is (and has been) applicable to other models, so is spread across even more copies on the market. But producing the each mechanical mirror box, is expensive, and pentaprism viewfinder (especially a good one) is expensive.

As for the "revolutionary design" close to a sensor, not so much. It's been done, by Sony and others (as already has been pointed out). The design, once we see it, probably won't seem so "revolutionary". I don't doubt it will be a good design, but one that is more evolutionary than revolutionary.




Sep 10, 2012 at 09:48 AM
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p.13 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Dan1 wrote:
I'm guessing that button is a lock for the focus range limiter ring.


I think that's a good guess.



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:54 AM
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p.13 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


I can see the RX2 being an adaptation of the 85mm F2.8 design, it's so compact and full frame. It's also incredibly sharp wide open...


Sep 10, 2012 at 09:55 AM
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p.13 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


Tariq Gibran wrote:
The one on the bottom of the lens looks like a screw head!


bump stop for when you put the camera down...



Sep 10, 2012 at 09:56 AM
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p.13 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


i been using the x100 since it came out and my d700 has taken a back seat since... if this things image quality is what we all think it'll be, its a a bargin compaired to a 35/2 cron. and regards the lack of view finder, i dont use it that much, screen is quicker, prefer to have one though.


Sep 10, 2012 at 10:06 AM
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p.13 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


lou f wrote:
not really

http://www.adorama.com/LC352MA.html


actually, I'm pretty sure the cron asph sticks out further from the "film" plane by a fair margin than this lens (you have to add a centimeter to this camera to make it as thick as an m6). this looks more like the pre asph 35 cron in terms of size (but I'm sure it'll perform better).



Sep 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM
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p.13 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (Original 2012 thread)


ricardovaste wrote:
What I know how my SLR is going to exposure. I've learnt how it meters.


So why don't you think you could learn how the RX1 meters?



Sep 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM
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