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 p.2 #14 · 10d replacement information | |
skasol wrote:
well here it is guys, I work for a trusty retail store, and the only info that I have so far is a "sku" # and a model # so here it is canon eos 20D with a EF-s18-55MM lens. I have a stock date of october 10 2004 I have weight width and height but I don't think that is important. so I have 2 more months to wait.
forgot the price, I have a listed price of 1599.99
Well, if you lend credence to that theory, all of the dreamers hoping for 1.3x are going to be a little disappointed. Of course, it would be completely ridiculous for Canon to release a 1.3x on a 10D level camera. Think about how many 1D's are sold in comparison to 10Ds. I would imagine at least a tenth, maybe even less? To take the same chip, which is by necessity costlier to produce than their tried and true 6MP 1.6x CMOS chip, and put it in a camera that sells at that kind of volume would be ludicrous. They would go bankrupt, and few people buying in this price range, aside from those who frequent forums like this one, understand the importance of crop factor anyway! If you tell Joe Consumer that the camera has 8MP to Nikon's 6MP, they understand that the number is bigger. 'Great! I want that Canon!' they say. Tell them that the crop factor is 1.3x versus 1.5x on the Nikon, and they're confused.... 'Wait... that's a smaller number..' All of a sudden, you need a competent salesman to sell this product, and to explain why smaller in this case is better. OK, so who's that going to be? The short-tempered jerks at B&H? Maybe the wage slave at Best Buy? The scam artists at Broadway Photo? You have to send reps to all the stores that sell your prosumer equipment and explain the concept of crop, and even after that, the salespeople may not get it. The smaller shops would get it, but not too many people buy from them anymore. B&H would not have time to explain it to you, and Circuit City wouldn't even know where to begin.
The crop is a tough concept to sell, and the larger sensor costs money. The MP sells itself, and costs Canon far less.
Further, if the 10D+ went 1.3x, you'd create another issue in the product lineup that is not easily resolved. Instead of the current problem, where the 10D is too close to the Rebel, you would have the opposite problem, where the 10D+ is too close to the 1D. How many people yearning for the high profit 1D II would then migrate down to this lower margin camera because it is 'close enough' to their dream camera? Canon does not want that, folks! If you want the features of a 1D II, they want you to buy a 1D II!
I would suspect an incremental upgrade in the 10D, and a price drop in the Rebel. Maybe an 8MP CMOS at 1.6x, tweaks to the 7 point AF to make it more accurate, or at least better QC on the AF chips to make the focus 'issues' disappear, and ETTL2. We might also see a modest increase in frame rate, better battery life, and a boost in the responsiveness of the camera (no more waiting for stuff to happen). A-Dep mode will likely vanish, as it did on the Mark II. What will be really interesting is to see what happens with the mount. I wonder if we'll see EF-S on this camera. If we do, I think we all can be assured that 1.3x or FF are not in the future of any prosumer cam from Canon, at least not for a very long time.
This 10D would likely sell for $1500 or less. The 300D would sell for $500. And Nikon will be forced to sell D70's at a loss to keep up.
A lot avid forum watchers are hoping and praying for the 1.3x crop in a consumer camera... to them, it's the only thing that makes sense... it's the only thing that might cause them to upgrade.... but that's all wishful thinking. It may be sensible to you, but its not sensible to Canon, or to the market at large.
Arka C.
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What do people outside Canon itself (and its field testers) know about the new camera? Nothing. So it's still the same hashing and rehashing of uninformed speculation.
who said the 1.3 crop was a selling feature and your opinion of the buying public is sad. I would give people more credit.