In the UK the equivelent of $1000 more than the D800 and for the life of me I can't work out why, it's significantly lesser featured apart from the fps.
The only factor which the price can and should be considered by is the competition. Not what X camera cost X years ago. That's just silly. It's like saying that an better spec'd nokia today should cost the same as the first nokia's ignoring the competitions pricing.
These cameras are just tools, you pay the least possible for the best possible unless there is a specific feature you can't do without and you are willing to pay more for it (lens choices are a feature). Of course when you're locked into a system, a company knowing that and milking you for higher prices knowing you cannot afford to change is rather nasty and a game that canon have been incredibly well versed in with the 5 series...
To put the price difference between the USA/UK into perspective here are the prices at todays exchange rate (my wife work for AMEX foreign exchange so its 100% accurate)
£3,000 (UK price) is US$ 4,615
US$ 3,500 (US price) is £2,275
Personally I believe the US price is very reasonable for the photographic tool you're getting. I'd have phoned at 9am to pre-order if the UK price was £2,275.
When I purchased my 5dll when it was first released I think it cost me about 3500 here in Aust. The new price here is 3499 so I think that is fair price with all the improvements.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
If I were Nikon I'd drop the D4 sensor in a new FF camera, that does 8fps but otherwise is same specs as D800 and call it the D750.
Nikon can't do this. They wouldn't be able to keep up with demand and would get flustered taking all those orders.
Ian.Dobinson wrote:
$3.5k DONT COMPLAIN TO LOUD !!!!
Its £3k which is the equivalent of $4768 here in the UK
For that price difference you can probably buy a round trip airline ticket to JFK, take a cab to B&H, pick one up and fly home. That is of course assuming you don't mind having the U.S. model with the control wheel on the left rather than the U.K. version.
Beni wrote:
In the UK the equivelent of $1000 more than the D800 and for the life of me I can't work out why, it's significantly lesser featured apart from the fps.
The only factor which the price can and should be considered by is the competition. Not what X camera cost X years ago. That's just silly. It's like saying that an better spec'd nokia today should cost the same as the first nokia's ignoring the competitions pricing.
These cameras are just tools, you pay the least possible for the best possible unless there is a specific feature you can't do without and you are willing to pay more for it (lens choices are a feature). Of course when you're locked into a system, a company knowing that and milking you for higher prices knowing you cannot afford to change is rather nasty and a game that canon have been incredibly well versed in with the 5 series......Show more →
these are pretty much my sentiments. They're tools, and I want the best tool for the best price. I don't want to spend more than necessary to get the job done to the best standards possible. I too have felt locked in, but I'm giving some serious thought to experiencing life elsewhere.. The D800 looks like a bargain in some respects (have to wait for a reality check though).
The point where 2008 dollars is extremely meaningful is because Canon has raised their prices to *more* than cover for the USD devaluation. Currencies do fluctuate (usually less when you have intelligent leaders though). If you reduce the price by approximately 30%, then they're asking for $2550 in relative terms vis-a-vis the 5d2. However, these cameras are less expensive to make today than they were even 3 years ago, and Nikon D800 is asking for $2100 in the same comparison.
The 5D2 body only at launch was $2699 from every major retailer. This thing needs to be no more than $2999 for lots of people to consider it. Nikon hit the perfect price/performance point with the $2999 D800. Compare those samples with the Canon samples. Nikon easily wins this one.
dehowie wrote:
I can stone cold guarrantee you the MK2 was way more than 2000 at launch. Why compare price on a brand new state of the art camera with way more capability with one now 3-4 years old at the end of its tech cycle.
Why not. You can still buy the 5d2 and it did not degrade over the 4years. If something that isv$1500 less and does the same job for you...why spend the extra $1500 just for new tech?
dehowie wrote:
Dawei i seriously think you need to re-asses what you think is good value in a camera.
just on ten years ago i spend 2200 on a 10D...6MP 4 or so FPS 1.6 crop barely any buffer.
Today 3500 buys 22MP. 6FPS. Stellar IQ. Brilliant AF. Weather sealing. HD video..on and on and on.
Its a steal not a rip off..
Nice to see you've had your Canon purple cool-aid...and it's working
Dawei Ye wrote:
$3500 is a rip off, but IF (and a big IF):
- the IQ is much better
- the AF is competent
I'd buy it in a heart beat
I'd pay $1500 just for the AF microadjust software that Canon has.
It's not so much $, but features per $ that matters for me.
dehowie wrote:
Dawei i seriously think you need to re-asses what you think is good value in a camera.
just on ten years ago i spend 2200 on a 10D...6MP 4 or so FPS 1.6 crop barely any buffer.
Today 3500 buys 22MP. 6FPS. Stellar IQ. Brilliant AF. Weather sealing. HD video..on and on and on.
Its a steal not a rip off..
I don't think your anecdote is valid
It's like saying $2000 for a QuadCore processor is not a rip-off considering that 10 years ago, it could only buy a Pentium III 800mhz processor. You need to compare with current dollars and current market condition.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
If I were Nikon I'd drop the D4 sensor in a new FF camera, that does 8fps but otherwise is same specs as D800 and call it the D750.
Or just implement s/mRaw...perhaps in a firmware update?
Bones74 wrote:
To put the price difference between the USA/UK into perspective here are the prices at todays exchange rate (my wife work for AMEX foreign exchange so its 100% accurate)
£3,000 (UK price) is US$ 4,615
US$ 3,500 (US price) is £2,275
Personally I believe the US price is very reasonable for the photographic tool you're getting. I'd have phoned at 9am to pre-order if the UK price was £2,275.
Don't forget that the UK price includes VAT, whereas the US price doesn't. Removing the VAT element makes it the equivalent of $3846, around 10% more than US list price.
I have the sense that Canon may be starting to price itself out of the amateur market with its pro/semi-pro equipment. I am sure there will still be people buying the 5D3 and the 24-70II but let's face it people can only afford to pay so much for a hobby. It really doesn't matter how much better the lens or body is price is still a key consideration(remember talking non-pros). I guess we would only know by looking at future sales trends and pricing.
BTW, I find it interesting that the 5D2 will apparently continue to be produced. So people who are willing to spend that much but not more for a 5D3 might expect a replacement for the 5D2 that is comparable in price.
I'm a little surprised at the price as well... especially with the D800 being $3,000. Interesting to see that now both of Nikon's pro and semi-pro bodies both cost less than Canon's.
anorphirith wrote:
3500$ for the 5D3 ??...... the new features aren't worth 1500$ more than the 5d2 for me, I"m still going to use center focus point, I"m still going to shoot ISO 100-3200. I'd rather buy a new lens for the 1500$. THAT is really going to improve my photography
