molson wrote:
Canon's mistake with the 5D, repeated with the 5D Mark II, was that they assumed the cameras would be bought by experienced photographers who knew how to get an image in focus and who not have to depend on the camera to do everything for them.
With the 5D Mark III, I'm sure the next wave of complaints will be about how the camera does such a crappy job with composition...
Canon's own test shooters can't even get any of the sample images in focus - what hope is there for the rest of us?
Is it conceivable and plausible that if many users are complaining about one camera - that it is actually the camera at fault?
zOMG it's always user error. If viewfinders were large enough to not need to depend on autofocus, I guarantee I would shoot everything reasonably possible with manual focus because I hate depending on an automatic system for anything that requires some form of reason.
I can't recall it ever happening with DSLRs but Nikon's price could rise after intro, not go down. Not likely perhaps but it could happen if the US dollar continues to tank.
An FM newbie here..... $3500 US IS CHEAP FOR THE 5DMKII at least from my view in Australia where Canon Price gouging is supported by the retailiers.
Try this quick quiz with these facts in mind
1. 1USD = 0.93 AUD and has been that way for quite some time
2. GST (sales tax) is 10%.
So how come the AUD price for body only is $4200 and kit $6000+?
Reason: Canon announce International warranty void and only honouring Australian Warranty from September 2011.......GOOD LUCK canon with that one...I'll take the risk, but have avery cynical view of your pricing policy.
I`d love to get best possible tool, always! but of course I have to take my wallet into account, as well as what I own now and if gives me what I need/want
3.5k usd is too much for ME, it may be currency`s fault, it may be market repositioning, whatever
mk3 It is quite possibly a much better tool than mk2 in certain areas, though I think that (provided I use center AF point) mk2 is not limiting by any means
When it gets a bit cheaper and my 5d2 gets a bit longer in the tooth, well, why not?
RobertLynn wrote:
Not sticking up for Canon, but the comparisons to the Nikon D700 are sort of weak...
The 5D2 has a more accurate and more sensitive center point. Yeah, it's not all we want, but acting like the D700 had "pro" AF is sort of a joke...
well . . . just my opinion. i recently picked up a D700 and the af is marginally behind the 1d3. on par with the 1d2n. better than the 7d and much much better than the 5d2 (the whole af system not just center point).
if the 1d2n was/is a pro af camera i would say the D700 is also.
datfish wrote:
An FM newbie here..... $3500 US IS CHEAP FOR THE 5DMKII at least from my view in Australia where Canon Price gouging is supported by the retailiers.
Try this quick quiz with these facts in mind
1. 1USD = 0.93 AUD and has been that way for quite some time
2. GST (sales tax) is 10%.
So how come the AUD price for body only is $4200 and kit $6000+?
Reason: Canon announce International warranty void and only honouring Australian Warranty from September 2011.......GOOD LUCK canon with that one...I'll take the risk, but have avery cynical view of your pricing policy.
Notwithstanding the point about it being a rip-off, Canon Australia imports from Canon Inc, so the USD/AUD rate is irrelevant unless Canon Inc sells in USD. I'd have thought AUD/YEN is more relevant
Dawei Ye wrote:
Notwithstanding the point about it being a rip-off, Canon Australia imports from Canon Inc, so the USD/AUD rate is irrelevant unless Canon Inc sells in USD. I'd have thought AUD/YEN is more relevant
Body only for 5D Mark II was $4299 on release
Fair Point...... and taking it up entirely......................., AUD/Yen currently the highest its been since September 2008 ( 87.xx Yen = 1 AUD and at the same time 81 yen = 1 USD).
My point is only reinforced.....but hey what can one do but suck it up!!!!!!
molson wrote:
Canon's mistake with the 5D, repeated with the 5D Mark II, was that they assumed the cameras would be bought by experienced photographers who knew how to get an image in focus and who not have to depend on the camera to do everything for them.
With the 5D Mark III, I'm sure the next wave of complaints will be about how the camera does such a crappy job with composition...
Yes, like I said, traditionally, if you stay at the same level of technology the price drops, or if you stay at the same pricepoint, the technology improves.
PetKal wrote:
I was just yanking on Ralph's wee-wee for he's been a big 1DX fan, and now he seems to be dropping it for a much slower camera.
That was because of ISO 50k, EV -2, 18MP and IQ, Peter.
Not all goodies that come with a camera are important for every photographer. 12 fps indeed is needless for me.
To get what I wished in two bodies for free choose now looks nice to me.
Of course, I would prefere 5D III for 3000 and one ISO stop less. And save the money to have a great Canada trip! Clean your house! I will bring the beer!
Bones74 wrote:
To put the price difference between the USA/UK into perspective here are the prices at todays exchange rate (my wife work for AMEX foreign exchange so its 100% accurate)
£3,000 (UK price) is US$ 4,615
US$ 3,500 (US price) is £2,275
Personally I believe the US price is very reasonable for the photographic tool you're getting. I'd have phoned at 9am to pre-order if the UK price was £2,275.
Does the UK price include VAT? If so, it is not a true comparison. Vat needs to be subtracted to get apples to apples. Price will still be higher in the UK but much closer to US price. There also may be warranty differences between USA and UK that could cause price differences. Not sure about that one.
FrankA373 wrote:
Does the UK price include VAT? If so, it is not a true comparison. Vat needs to be subtracted to get apples to apples. Price will still be higher in the UK but much closer to US price. There also may be warranty differences between USA and UK that could cause price differences. Not sure about that one.
You're right, its not an accurate comparison (I didnt realize at the time, that the VAT was not included in the USA price) but even taking VAT into account, Canon are still taking the piss and the price is still over the odds. When they're able to sell this camera for £2000-£2300 in a year or so and still make a decent profit, it will be glaringly obvious they were just profiteering. All Canon's new kit is priced over the odds in the UK. If Canon had matched the D800 for price, they'd have made less profit on each unit, but taken 3 x as many pre-orders. As far as warranty is concerned, it all comes with 1 year. I dont know if its different where you are? The 1D4 got the option to up that to 2 years if you registered for it, which I did. Didn't change the price though
The 5D3 spec impresses me, but I'm voting with my wallet. I'll buy one once the price is realistic. I think we in the UK, have a valid reason to be very disappointed with Canon's pricing policy. The new flash is £670, VAT included. Canon are deluded. Such is life
If I am going to stick with Canon, the 5D III's files better not have that ugly watercolor quality I keep seeing in sample images. It's really, really bad. The Nikon D800 samples have much better per-pixel sharpness as far as I can see...even up to higher ISOs, the blending is better.
john_edwards wrote:
I can't recall it ever happening with DSLRs but Nikon's price could rise after intro, not go down. Not likely perhaps but it could happen if the US dollar continues to tank.
It's not uncommon for that to happen to lenses. But I can't recall it happening to camera bodies. It was not long after the 5DII was released that the dollar started to really slide, but the 5DII never went up in MSRP from its original $2699.
