jamesf99 wrote:
Nikon can't do this. They wouldn't be able to keep up with demand and would get flustered taking all those orders.
It wouldn't surprise me if they make a D700S with either the D3S sensor or the D4 sensor plus a few other upgrades in a year. Remember one year after the D3 they released the D700... which is basically a mini D3.
danielsan wrote:
I have the sense that Canon may be starting to price itself out of the amateur market with its pro/semi-pro equipment. I am sure there will still be people buying the 5D3 and the 24-70II but let's face it people can only afford to pay so much for a hobby. It really doesn't matter how much better the lens or body is price is still a key consideration(remember talking non-pros). I guess we would only know by looking at future sales trends and pricing.
Daniel I don't know - one dollar is worth as much to me as a professional photographer.
Camera prices increasing may affect amateur demand, but it would equally affect pro demand. Being a pro doesn't mean you have unlimited money to spend on gear. $1 is worth as much to you as it does to an amateur.
If the camera was some sort of capital outlay/investment where there were incremental and additional forseeable returns, then maybe a pro would stretch to buy it above what a non money earning photographer - but I don't see how you could suddenly charge clients extra because you upgraded from a 5D2 to a 5D3
elader wrote:
and of course, the $490 BG-E11 Battery Grip (weather-resistant, with room for two batteries)
Really? $490 for a battery grip?
Dear god... $490 for the BG-E11!!! Hopefully it will sell for less as the BG-E6 is listed on Canon USA's site for $380 MSRP, but is $240 at B&H (and I still think $240 is too much).
It's interesting to note that the BG-E6 is also listed as an accessory for the 5D3 on Canon USA's site:
It's too bad as I'd really like the additional multi-controller in the BG-E6 (as well as the other top 3 buttons on the 5D2... Meter/WB, AF/Drive, and ISO/Expos Comp). The lack of those items make the BG-E6 not worth the $240 price tag.
Dawei Ye wrote:
Daniel I don't know - one dollar is worth as much to me as a professional photographer.
Camera prices increasing may affect amateur demand, but it would equally affect pro demand. Being a pro doesn't mean you have unlimited money to spend on gear. $1 is worth as much to you as it does to an amateur.
If the camera was some sort of capital outlay/investment where there were incremental and additional forseeable returns, then maybe a pro would stretch to buy it above what a non money earning photographer - but I don't see how you could suddenly charge clients extra because you upgraded from a 5D2 to a 5D3...Show more →
this always perplexed me. Why do some think that if you shoot professionally, money is free? It's not, nor is the gear, and expenses for depreciating assets like a throw-away camera body should be minimized (as long as your current capability and quality standard is met).
Sure you can claim the expense on taxes to offset revenue, but unless the new camera allows you to do something (i.e., earn more/different revenue), buying new technology is probably not a wise investment (only your tax man knows for sure ).
Dawei Ye wrote:
Daniel I don't know - one dollar is worth as much to me as a professional photographer.
Camera prices increasing may affect amateur demand, but it would equally affect pro demand. Being a pro doesn't mean you have unlimited money to spend on gear. $1 is worth as much to you as it does to an amateur.
If the camera was some sort of capital outlay/investment where there were incremental and additional forseeable returns, then maybe a pro would stretch to buy it above what a non money earning photographer - but I don't see how you could suddenly charge clients extra because you upgraded from a 5D2 to a 5D3...Show more →
I agree. If equipment keeps rising eventually our prices we charge clients will as well... which won't go over too well in my area currently. I really hate the AF on my 5D2 which is why I have my D3, but I'd really like to move to one system in the future.
I posted this in a different thread but here it is again since there are quite a few thread related to this camera currently:
The price point of $3,499 is there to take advantage of early adopters, like yours truly , to maximize the return of the R&D cost. It depends how well the camera will sell in the first few months. I believe you don't have to wait that long for that to happen, maybe in 6-7 months down the road or so, within a year for sure.
when i saw $3,500 last night, my initial reaction was "forget it".
i woke up this morning and said, "you know what? they got me."
why? because even though i think this camera should be priced about $500 lower, i'd certainly waste $500 unloading the rest of my canon lenses and gear if i moved to another system.
so, it is what it is. $3,500. i'm sure it'll be a great camera. too bad canon couldn't be a little kinder on our wallets, though.
Don't forget that the UK price includes VAT, whereas the US price doesn't. Removing the VAT element makes it the equivalent of $3846, around 10% more than US list price.
Interesting... I was wondering about that, but couldnt see anything on the B&H site so I assumed the VAT was included. Thanks for the correction
I would really like to see side by side, raw files, as side by side prints, from the 1div and 5d3.
3500+ almost 500 for a grip. I can get, albeit less mp, a 1div and have damn near a grand in my pocket towards the new 24-70.
I really like the idea of the new 5d, but it misses in a few areas that are extremely important to shooters like me. The fps at 6 is laughable. I won't bore you with why, but if you cannot figure out why...your only higher fps option new (as they have stated the 1dx is a 1ds and 1div replacement) is te 1dx. The price difference for those frames is 2800 (I'm basing te 5d cost at 4000 due to an extra battery and grip).
All of that said, I will more than likely buy one when the price for the body and grip is 3000. I like the specs for a lot of things, just not one of my markets.
Obviously it is not a situation where money is no object if you are a professional but the simple truth is the pain threshold for amateurs is going to be a lot lower than for professionals.
jamesf99 wrote:
this always perplexed me. Why do some think that if you shoot professionally, money is free? It's not, nor is the gear, and expenses for depreciating assets like a throw-away camera body should be minimized (as long as your current capability and quality standard is met).
Sure you can claim the expense on taxes to offset revenue, but unless the new camera allows you to do something (i.e., earn more/different revenue), buying new technology is probably not a wise investment (only your tax man knows for sure ).
Pixel Perfect wrote:
If I were Nikon I'd drop the D4 sensor in a new FF camera, that does 8fps but otherwise is same specs as D800 and call it the D750.
I strongly suspect you are going to see just this camera in very short order. Wouldn't even be surprised if it is announced just before the 5DMkIII is released. Talk about making people's heads spin around.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
If I were Nikon I'd drop the D4 sensor in a new FF camera, that does 8fps but otherwise is same specs as D800 and call it the D750.
Hrow wrote:
I strongly suspect you are going to see just this camera in very short order. Wouldn't even be surprised if it is announced just before the 5DMkIII is released. Talk about making people's heads spin around.
Henry,
Quite a bit of folks in the Nikon camp felt the D800 simply has too many MP and they were hoping that it would be more an increase from 12MP in the D700 to 18MP or so in the D800. If Nikon would be so proud to announce the D750 before the D800 and 5D Mark III become available, they will loose a lot of people abandoning the D800 for the D750. They might do that at the Photokina though, 6-7 months down the road after making some profit from early adopters.
AGeoJO wrote:
Henry,
Quite a bit of folks in the Nikon camp felt the D800 simply has too many MP and they were hoping that it would be more an increase from 12MP in the D700 to 18MP or so in the D800. If Nikon would be so proud to announce the D750 before the D800 and 5D Mark III become available, they will loose a lot of people abandoning the D800 for the D750. They might do that at the Photokina though, 6-7 months down the road.
I'm not sure that's true. The D800 isn't going to attract a lot of event shooters but a D4 based small bodied "D750" sure would. Pretty nice combo for a pro - high MPs for studio formals and the speedy, high ISO king for the event folks. I suspect they would sell one of each to a lot working pros.
The thing that Nikon did that was brillant was announcing the high MP camera first. This established the upper price point. Canon comes along and sets its price for a lower MP camera higher. That's fine, but if they release a 5X at 36+ MP they are likely to have to have a hefty price increase. How in the world is anyone going to be able to argue that a 5DX is worth at least a $1,000 more than a D800? It may not matter to a lot of people but it clearly puts Canon into an indefensible position.
Same goes for a "D750". If Nikon prices that camera at $2500, the 5D3 looks even worse. Faster, better low light, much cheaper.. the only thing the 5D3 has going for it is a few more MP, which many people in the various 5D threads are saying is inconsequential (when defending the 5D vs the D800).
None of this really matters. It doesn't make one camera better for a particular user than other. However, I think in a couple of years folks will look back and marvel at how effectively Nikon skunked Canon on this round. Might be one of the reasons Canon replaced one old geezer at the top with an even older one.
I know others have probably said it, but I'd be surprised if the "street price" of the 5d3 is actually $3500 after it's been out in the world for a few months.
Business expense and tax write off coming up!
, to maximize the return of the R&D cost. It depends how well the camera will sell in the first few months. I believe you don't have to wait that long for that to happen, maybe in 6-7 months down the road or so, within a year for sure.