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Foggy14 wrote:
From these notices it was my assumption that the two big NY specialty shops would have orders for the D800 filled in the order they were actually received. It appears that this hasn't been the case and that orders from NPS customers get priority over other "regular" customers who placed an earlier order.


Thanks for your kind words and this feedback. FWIW, the NPS queue was Nikon USA's system, not ours. As an authorized Nikon USA retailer we comply with their programs, but we're not responsible for creating or administering them. The separate NPS queue was their doing.

B&H is filling D800 orders in the order they were actually received.

Henry Posner
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Apr 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM
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p.8 #2 · Nikon D800 & D800E Pre-order!


Bottom line is that this is Nikon's policy and if the wait becomes so protracted as to become impracticable for users, all the while a similar option arises from Canon (or someone else), people will migrate away and Nikon will be forced to rethink its strategy.

Trust the free market to sort things through. It may not be pretty but efficiencies spring forth thereof.

Personally, having sold my D700, It's gotten me to haul out the old FM2-T and re-learn film again. I had forgotten how light and compact that camera was. If 6 months passes and no D800E that I ordered over 2 months ago, I'll see what's around and decide then. Lots of folks will do the same, especially working pros who aren't NPS members and actually need equipment for their livelihood.

Always buzz about Leica's mirrorless 'R' solution....

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Apr 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM
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Just to help Henry out, seems he forgot to post the reply to the dp review comment from a former Nikon rep. Net-net, b&h and any other retailer that took pre orders far in excess of their allocations, even taking into consideration that allocations fluctuate, is at least equally responsible for earning their customer's frustrations. I would say more so. And retailers are 100% responsible for communicating with those customers whom they have taken per-orders from, providing updates, and managing expectations. I'm sure, even if Henry can't acknowledge this publicly, that b&h is learning from this. At the very least, if what Henry claims is true, to not accept being treated like a mushroom by a supplier, because, try as they may to divert the blame, all the customer knows to blame us the retailer. Henry, don't let Nikon give b&h a black eye again.



Well, since you worked for Nikon in Sales, then I'll have to defer to your inside knowledge and accept that as fact.
At the same time, picture me scratching my head (sorry), in total disbelief that any major manufacturing corporation in the 90's, let alone today, could operate so inefficiently and get away with it.
I work for a fortune 50 company that manufacturers and sells consumer products in dozens of categories that I'll bet you have in your home right now. We launch dozens of new or upgraded products each year, several of which are major launches that are equally as exciting to consumers as the D800 is to those of us on this forum, and have the same problems and challenges Nikon is dealing with right now. I have been in various roles in these situations, including sales and marketing, at a variety of levels.
You might say I don't understand Nikon, and I don't. But key competitors in several of the categories we compete in are Japanese companies, some of which are part of bigger companies that are also in the camera business and compete with Nikon. I know these companies operate the much the same way we do in terns if processes and business practices. Know your competitor, as they say.
But I'll take your word for it that Nikon is not like any of those peer Japanese companies.
We begin launch planning 12 months out, and would not be able to proceed unless we could could show the corporation solid details, including production forecasts, supply chain details, costs, contingencies, market size, demand plans, etc.
Our sales teams begins working with their key customers 12 months out as well, with NDA's, to preview the products and develop launch plans. This includes advertising, merchandising, promotions, and (gulp) forecasting.
Since we are talking about forecasting, that is all rolled up and compared to production planning. This is the subject of weekly meetings that include sales, and topics include changes to production that will effect supply. There is always allocations and changes to allocations. There can be delays, even launch delays.
But always there is good, frequent, and collaborative communication. Sure, things can get hot. Retailers want what they want, and often we can't deliver it all. I've had to deliver bad news, and eat humble pie.... or worse. Nikon is not the only company that gets hit with supply shortages, distribution disruptions, bad parts, recalls prior to launch. I've had to recall product on the way to retailers just days prior to a billion dollar launch.
But it would be unthinkable not to communicate quickly and accurately. Unacceptable ... either party.
No retailer I know of would ever accept the conditions you describe as routine for Nikon. And my products are category leaders, "must have" items for retailers, who fight each other to be first to market and out-do each other.
The behavior you describe would lead to CEO to CEO discussions and major defections. We would be told to go pound sand.
I can't think if any retailer, large small, that would not drop even the most lucrative launch plan if they were kept in the dark even a few months prior to the launch, let alone the day the truck is ... hopefully ... going to arrive.
Again, I'm sure you are right. But what you're describing is sounds more like how business was conducted in the 1700's, when you ordered something from overseas, and had no idea what would arrive, or when, in what condition ... or if the ship would be lost at sea.



Apr 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM
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Double, see below.

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Apr 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM
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Foggy14 wrote:
I ordered a Kirk D800 plate last week and received notice that it shipped yesterday.

I'm looking forward to holding it up next to a picture of "my" D800.


I got my RRS plate today. No sight of the body. I was expecting to see them pop up after the Passover holiday but I haven't seen any reports of anyone being notified today that their body shipped.



Apr 16, 2012 at 10:21 PM
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j.liam wrote:
Personally, having sold my D700, It's gotten me to haul out the old FM2-T and re-learn film again.


This could turn out to be your "silver lining" in this whole fiasco. While digital is great, there's something special about film. I still enjoy shooting velvia slides with my F100 and plan to continue.

Maybe the D800 rollout is part of an elaborate Nikon plan to get shooters back to the joys of film photography.



Apr 17, 2012 at 04:40 PM
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Spent the day around NYC with the FM2 handy. What a joy to use. Quiet shutter, light and nimble. Visited the Lomography shop in town; a very interesting selection of obscure films to try.
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Apr 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM
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I figured it was going to be a long wait so I picked up a really nice F100 here on FM. I was going to get a film body anyway but this waiting game with the D800 rushed things a bit. Gone through three expired rolls of film and have one more and then I'll be able to see how some of my lenses really are on FF.


Apr 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM
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Any non-NPS folk received their D800E from B&H, Amazon or Adorama yet?

Thanks



Apr 19, 2012 at 03:55 PM
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p.8 #10 · Nikon D800 & D800E Pre-order!


markhout wrote:
Any non-NPS folk received their D800E from B&H, Amazon or Adorama yet?

Thanks


My NPS priority D800 arrives Monday and I have one that came in today from Samy's that was not from the NPS priority program.



Apr 20, 2012 at 04:56 PM
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stuuke wrote:
My NPS priority D800 arrives Monday and I have one that came in today from Samy's that was not from the NPS priority program.


When did you place that NPS order? thanks



Apr 21, 2012 at 01:02 AM
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henryp wrote:
Thanks for your kind words and this feedback. FWIW, the NPS queue was Nikon USA's system, not ours. As an authorized Nikon USA retailer we comply with their programs, but we're not responsible for creating or administering them. The separate NPS queue was their doing.

B&H did fill D800 orders in the order they were actually received.


Henry, thanks for the reply.

From what I understand, Nikon USA puts its NPS queue ahead of the store's "regular" customers and then, for any NPS member who has designated the store as it's dealer, counts the NPS orders against the store's allocation of cameras.

If this is accurate, Nikon USA couldn't have chosen a more confusing process if it tried. Because the NPS list is variable (new orders coming in daily) the queue for regular customers is rendered variable as a result. It's no wonder that the stores are at a loss to tell their regular customers where the stand on the pre-order list and when they might expect to get their camera.

Nikon USA certainly has the right to favor NPS members, but in the future they might want to consider a limited time pre-order period for NPS, after which other customers may pre-order. By doing that the B&H's and Adorama's of the world would have one pre-order list (with the NPS members at the top) and they could tell all customers where they stood on the list. If Nikon USA would then provide its dealers with estimated allocations and shipping times, the dealers could then pass this information along to their customers.

Of course, this assumes that Nikon USA is interested in learning from the current situation and improving it in the future.



Apr 23, 2012 at 12:43 AM
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And they wonder why some place orders at eight or more dealers.


Apr 23, 2012 at 12:50 AM
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p.8 #14 · Nikon D800 & D800E Pre-order!


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And they wonder why some place orders at eight or more dealers.


Yep. I'm in 2 B&M shops and Amazon right now.



Apr 23, 2012 at 05:59 AM
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p.8 #15 · Nikon D800 & D800E Pre-order!


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If this is accurate, Nikon USA couldn't have chosen a more confusing process if it tried.


It's more confusing than that. In dpreview a former Nikon USA sales rep reported that the Pentagon or the FBI or the Associated Press all take precedence over NPS. There's a real but invisible hierarchy there.

BTW - for whatever it's worth, EVERY B&H customer with a backordered D800 will get his or her before I'd get one. No matter how long the queue, if I added my name I'd be last.

Henry Posner
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B&H Photo-Video



Apr 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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henryp wrote:
BTW - for whatever it's worth, EVERY B&H customer with a backordered D800 will get his or her before I'd get one. No matter how long the queue, if I added my name I'd be last.


Henry, if I ran B&H you'd get one just after the Navy Seals and before cable TV hosts.



Apr 23, 2012 at 07:11 PM
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Just FYI as of April 24. I ordered a D800E from Amazon on Feb 7th and the order status just says: We'll notify you via e-mail when we have an estimated delivery date for this item.

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Apr 23, 2012 at 09:42 PM
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p.8 #18 · Nikon D800 & D800E Pre-order!


^^^ Who did you order from?


Apr 23, 2012 at 09:49 PM
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My local dealer seems to think they are getting a new shipment on May 9th
I hope I get mine then !!



Apr 24, 2012 at 06:15 AM
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Got one from a small store in Quebec today... they didn't have any pre-orders, just a calling list... I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and asked me to let me know when they received a shipment, which they did yesterday.

If I had ordered from Vistek or a similar store, I would probably wait forever.



Apr 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM
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