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I wouldn't go as far as to say people making their living off photography get priority. First come First served, just how it should be. If you make a living off of photography, you already have the gear required to continue that profession, if not, then that was really stupid on your part. Just because you don't have a D800 in your hands doesn't mean you are no longer working, use the gear you have until it arrives. You just have to be patient, you'll get yours in time. Personally I am not very patient but I'm being forced to be. I have called just about every store on Nikon authorized reseller list. Every one of them I have talked to has a back order list ranging from maybe 5-10 units up into the hundreds. Most say they only get 1 or 2 bodies at a time when they actually get them, so it may still be a couple of months or more depending on when you placed your order.

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Apr 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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p.7 #2 · Nikon D800 & D800E Pre-order!


I just got a notice from NPS that my D800 body has shipped to Adorama.


Apr 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM
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BrianJarvis wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to say people making their living off photography get priority. First come First served, just how it should be.


I could be wrong, but I believe that Nikon does give priority to NPS members and does not operate strictly on a first-come, first-served basis. My speculation would be that this is one of the best ways to reward its best customers, but I have no idea of whether that is actually the reason or not.



Apr 12, 2012 at 01:05 PM
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As an NPS member myself, Nikon does give us priority when new gear comes out and for good reason. We make our living using their gear and if we choose to buy the latest and greatest Nikon make it possible to get it into our hands right away. Consumers or pros who haven't registered with NPS fall into the other category of first come first served.

For the record, Nikon doesn't sell direct to NPS members, it must be sold through an authorized dealer. So when new gear is announced NPS members get a priority purchase notification to select the dealer of their choice, notify Nikon of the order number from the dealer and Nikon pull stock and send that item to that dealer with note saying this is for ___ who is an NPS member. Nikon tell me when the item was shipped to the dealer so I can expect a call from them when it comes in. The dealer has no obligation to sell that item to the NPS member since once it has left the Nikon warehouse it belongs to the dealer. However, you can bet Nikon will not look favourably on dealers who don't support their NPS members and who requested stock only to sell it to someone else.

And BTW, just because someone has a boat load of money and buys all pro gear, 2 bodies, more than 3 lenses etc. etc. doesn't qualify them for NPS status. You also need to submit tear sheets of published work.



Apr 12, 2012 at 02:54 PM
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JBPhotog wrote:
And BTW, just because someone has a boat load of money and buys all pro gear, 2 bodies, more than 3 lenses etc. etc. doesn't qualify them for NPS status. You also need to submit tear sheets of published work.


JB, as I mentioned above, even that is not enough. You must make the majority of your income from photography. I'm crystal clear on that, because that's why my NPS application was denied: I make a fairly decent income from my print sales, but it just so happens that I make significantly more at my consulting practice. And I refuse to make less money just for NPS.



Apr 12, 2012 at 03:34 PM
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Whatever, we will get our ordered cameras sooner or later. It is not the end of the world... right??

Zero



Apr 12, 2012 at 04:20 PM
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Foggy14 wrote:
I ordered a Kirk D800 plate last week and received notice that it shipped yesterday.

I'm looking forward to holding it up next to a picture of "my" D800.



me too, paid for it and i guess it will ship soon... now if only I had a D800 to mount it to!

I really thought that Amazon would be able to get more units... or maybe they did get as much or more than the others... but they also took lots of pre-orders too. I wonder how many pre-orders Amazon took compared to B&H or Adorama etc...? I wonder how many more or less cameras Amazon sells compared to the like of Adorama or B&H... I would venture a wild guess that they could even sell more? Or am I crazy.




Apr 13, 2012 at 07:53 PM
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Has anyone pre-ordered through B&H changed their D800E order to a D800? Henry Posner posted somewhere (here maybe) that they would attempt to have order changers maintain their place in line. I was thinking of switching my order for a couple reasons, one being I neglected to think about the effects of moire on bird feathers, another being examples of D800 images with a fair amount of moire. I had been under the impression that at this high a pixel density moire would be fairly unlikely, even without an AA filter. I recieved my RRS plate about a week ago. Spare batteries are waiting a camera body too. And all these FX lenses I have now look fairly silly on the D5100!


Apr 14, 2012 at 12:39 AM
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I'd be very surprised if you saw any moire on a bird feathers. Moire is caused when you have a fixed even patterns, like a mesh, which is why it so prevent on fabrics and patterns on those fabrics. Very few things in nature have such a fixed even pattern, the patterns on birds wings vary considerably depending on the part of the wing and the angle you are seeing it at. It would be very difficult to cause a moire even if you tried. The D800E IMO (as well as most outdoor professional photographers) is the perfect "nature" camera, especially if your a pixel peeper and have the glass to back it up. Personally I went with the D800 (if it ever shows up) but to me the added cost does not justify the end result. Human error, and I have a lot of it, would cancel out any benefit.


Apr 14, 2012 at 01:03 AM
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Got a notice from Vistek today. They stated "Nikon is having production problems with the D800 resulting in no shipments being received. This coupled with the enormous demand for this camera has resulted in lengthy delays."

I wonder if they are now not able to meet the 30,000 a month they were forecasting



Apr 14, 2012 at 02:19 AM
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ryanpfleger wrote:
Has anyone pre-ordered through B&H changed their D800E order to a D800? Henry Posner posted somewhere (here maybe) that they would attempt to have order changers maintain their place in line.

I would be bummed out if it was business practice for camera stores let people "cut in front" of others because they changed their mind on an order.



Apr 14, 2012 at 04:33 PM
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nategigapixel wrote:
I would be bummed out if it was business practice for camera stores let people "cut in front" of others because they changed their mind on an order.


Welcome to NPS where you jump ahead of everyone and some people think it's "ok, because their working professionals".




Apr 14, 2012 at 08:36 PM
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one crucial assumption is probably wrong by Eamon Hickey
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=41140764

Nikon knew how many they would be able to produce, on what schedule ... well as when and where they would ship them. B&H, like everyone else, placed orders. And Nikon gave allocations to B&H, like they did to everyone else, telling them how many and when to expect them. This all happened months ago.

This last part is not a safe assumption at all. I was a Nikon USA sales rep for most of the 1990s, and in that decade none of the above was true. It's possible it's different now, but I doubt it.

When I was a Nikon sales rep, Nikon USA absolutely did not tell dealers ahead of time how many units of any backordered product they would be allocated. Nikon didn't even tell its own sales reps (i.e. me). Shipments into my territory (northern California and Utah) were always a complete surprise to me.

And allocations were made, by the Vice President of Sales, usually on the day before the product was scheduled to ship out of the warehouse. There's a very simple reason for this: Nikon's sales managers wanted to retain flexibility about where cameras went right up to the last minute. They wanted to be able to shift allocations around if, for example, a super high priority customer suddenly ordered, say, 200 units from a dealer in Washington D.C. or one in Chicago or one in Indiana (there's a big-time pro dealer in Indiana).

Who might place an order like that? The Pentagon or the FBI or the Associated Press, to take just a few examples.

Very few people know that NPS members are actually not on the top spot on the priority allocation list. The U.S. federal government is. If the Defense Department wants 200 D800s, they'll get 'em, or most of 'em, even if that means making individual NPS members wait, and certainly if it means making regular customers wait. (The federal government can order directly from Nikon USA, but a retail dealer is given a credit for the purchase because dealers are usually involved in the government agency's buying process -- advice etc.)

So when dealers tell you that Nikon does not tell them what's coming and when, they're almost certainly telling the complete truth.

Whether any of these practices are the best way to do things is a different question -- you could certainly ask why the Defense Department should be considered more important than you. And the overall lack of supply chain communication from Nikon (all parts, Japan included) is definitely bad practice. I'm not defending the rationale here; just explaining the way it's done (or definitely was done ten years ago, and probably still is).

Bonus trivia: In the early 1990s, Nikon's Sales V.P. (my boss then), told me that the FBI was the U.S.'s largest single consumer of photographic products. That would have been mostly film, paper, and chemistry, of course, so I doubt it's still true (and I think if the four branches of the armed forces were lumped together, they would have been larger). But it was a surprise to me.




Apr 15, 2012 at 02:40 PM
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Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
JB, as I mentioned above, even that is not enough. You must make the majority of your income from photography. I'm crystal clear on that, because that's why my NPS application was denied: I make a fairly decent income from my print sales, but it just so happens that I make significantly more at my consulting practice. And I refuse to make less money just for NPS. :)


I've mentioned this before. I was an NPS member for years. After I started work at B&H my renewal was denied because I made more from B&H than from shooting. My status as a B&H manager who corresponded with customers, including NPS members, meant nothing to them.

Henry Posner
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Apr 15, 2012 at 02:43 PM
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j.liam wrote:
Welcome to NPS where you jump ahead of everyone and some people think it's "ok, because their working professionals".


Nikon's policies on this have been clearly laid out for years, if not decades, and Nikon has every right to set their policies however they wish. Caveat emptor applies, of course, and we can each choose to buy Nikon or not if we don't like their policies or don't think they are fair. "It's OK" not because some people think so, but because Nikon is not acting deceptively or dishonestly in any way. They have a tiered supply system, that's all.



Apr 15, 2012 at 02:57 PM
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They have every right as a commercial enterprise to show preference to whomever they choose. And I have every right to grumble while on the queue.


Apr 15, 2012 at 03:55 PM
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Yes, you do. And while I don't share your inclination, I do respect that.

I misunderstood your earlier comment to be subtly implying that there was something improper about their actions. My mistake.



Apr 15, 2012 at 07:37 PM
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henryp wrote:
Bonus trivia: In the early 1990s, Nikon's Sales V.P. (my boss then), told me that the FBI was the U.S.'s largest single consumer of photographic products. That would have been mostly film, paper, and chemistry, of course, so I doubt it's still true (and I think if the four branches of the armed forces were lumped together, they would have been larger). But it was a surprise to me.



As someone who works in the hospitality industry, I can believe that.



Apr 15, 2012 at 08:07 PM
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henryp, thanks for weighing in. I appreciate your participation in the forum and welcome the insights you and Helen from Adorama bring.

Regarding the D800 roll-out, one suggestion I would have for both B&H and Adorama would be to make the pre-order process a little clearer going in. For example, the notice on the B&H website states the following:

"This is a new item being released in limited quantity, We are accepting orders and they will be filled in the order they are received."

Adorama has something similar:

"New item not available yet, Delivery scheduled to start March/22/2012 with a limited qty. You may place this on order now and it will be shipped on a first come first serve basis."

From these notices it was my assumption that the two big NY specialty shops would have orders for the D800 filled in the order they were actually received. It appears that this hasn't been the case and that orders from NPS customers get priority over other "regular" customers who placed an earlier order.

For me, this isn't the end of the world and I'm not interested in re-igniting a debate about whether it's "right" for NPS members to jump the line, but, in the future, it might be good to explain how the process will work so that regular customers can understand their place in the Nikon pecking order and look for options where they have a better shot at having a pre-order filled.



Apr 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM
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Foggy14 wrote:
From these notices it was my assumption that the two big NY specialty shops would have orders for the D800 filled in the order they were actually received. It appears that this hasn't been the case and that orders from NPS customers get priority over other "regular" customers who placed an earlier order.


Thanks for your kind words and this feedback. FWIW, the NPS queue was Nikon USA's system, not ours. As an authorized Nikon USA retailer we comply with their programs, but we're not responsible for creating or administering them. The separate NPS queue was their doing.

B&H did fill D800 orders in the order they were actually received.

Henry Posner
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Apr 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM
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