wickerprints wrote:
I'm pretty sure this camera is the sole successor to the 1D4 and 1Ds3. Canon wouldn't use a special designation "X" if they intended to keep these product lines separate.
I'm also pretty sure this camera will be a lot more expensive than most of you are hoping. There are *three* DIGIC processors in it--two DIGIC 5, and one DIGIC 4. That is completely unheard of in the history of EOS. There's an entirely new AF sensor with an unheard-of 61 AF points, all cross-type; and that's handled by the DIGIC 4. That's a lot of processing power devoted to just AF and AE; the entire 5D2's image processing system is run off a single DIGIC 4 chip.
Then we need to consider the fact that there hasn't been an update to the 1Ds line in almost four years, and the last one, the 1Ds3, debuted at $8000. People have been waiting for this body and the demand is at record levels. This is the replacement--new, top-of-the-line AF; new metering system; new sensor; unprecedented ISO range; new features across the board. It is absurd to think this is going to be priced at current 1D4 levels, especially considering that the global economy is in the toilet and Canon has been on a strongly increasing price trend for all of its products.
Be prepared for a very, very high price tag on this body. The pixel count is misleading; it may be 18.1 MP but everything else in this body screams pricey. Canon will extract as much money as possible from those who have been dying for a new flagship body and are ready to buy one at any price....Show more →
Uh, maybe I've misread something, but I don't see any mention that they've carried over a Digic IV. There's a photo of the main logic board in the OP now, and there's no Digic IV there either?
wickerprints wrote:
In the previous 1D-series bodies, most points were either linear f/5.6 or a mix of f/2.8 and f/5.6 cross-type.
The EOS 7D was the first camera to employ cross-type sensors that were f/5.6 in both directions, as far as I am aware.
When an f/5.6 AF sensor looks through an f/5.6 lens, it operates within f/5.6 depth of focus precision, which is adequate since the lens itself is f/5.6.
When an f/5.6 AF sensor looks through a lens faster than f/5.6, the sensor will operate, but the resulting depth of focus precision *may* not be sufficient to achieve accurate AF, especially if the exposure occurs at a very fast f-number, such as f/1.2.
When an f/2.8 AF sensor looks through an f/5.6 lens, the incident light does not have the phase separation to resolve the focus to the required precision; thus, the sensor is disabled by the camera. If you trick the camera by preventing the body from reading the f-number of the lens, it will attempt to use the AF point anyway, which may result in erratic performance or inability to confirm focus.
When an f/2.8 AF sensor looks through an f/2.8 lens, it operates with additional precision over an f/5.6 sensor.
With this in mind, we see why it is important to have cross-type sensors with the same f-number sensitivity in each direction, as this permits consistent AF performance regardless of the orientation of the camera. We also see that although f/5.6 sensors have greater applicability across various lenses, they lack the precision of f/2.8 sensors, even if they are cross-type. The ideal situation would be to have both f/2.8 and f/5.6 cross-type sensors, enabling accurate AF performance when using fast primes, as well as good tracking performance for lenses slower than f/2.8, where the f/2.8 sensors would not function.
And so, if this latest news is true, it would seem that Canon has listened and devised an entirely new AF system that not only combines these types of sensors, but also introduces f/4 cross-type points to further improve versatility and performance across the EF lineup. This is very encouraging news for those who are waiting for a 5D-series update, because the existence of this AF system means that there is now significantly more room for an upgraded AF system in the future 5D(3). I am hopeful that some of the goodies that we see in this 1D X will also find their way into the 5D-series. ...Show more →
Thanks, I meant to say x-type in 1 series @ f/5.6. I knew 7D had this already.
But it sounds like great news and let's hope RG doesn't find a problem .
wickerprints wrote:
I'm pretty sure this camera is the sole successor to the 1D4 and 1Ds3. Canon wouldn't use a special designation "X" if they intended to keep these product lines separate.
Why not, though? They could have just added the 'X' to differentiate it from the 1D series--it is, after all, a new generation of camera. I'd bet my bottom dollar the 1Ds will live on as a high MP pro camera in one form or another.
omarlyn wrote:
"ISO is 100-51200 in 1/3 stop increments, L is ISO 50, H1 is 102400, H2 is 204800.
3 frame rates: 14fps, 12fps, 3 fps."
Some of these specs are insane!
Omar
ISO 204800 !!!
Let's hope it's at least as good as ISO 102400 on 1D IV, which still may mean it sucks, but that now ISO 102400 is at least as good as Nikon D3s at 51200.
I'll be grateful if ISO 12800 is usable for A3+ prints
I like how it clean it is on the front, as far as lack of numbers, etc. I doubt they are getting rid of the 1.3 crop. This could be for people who want a FF camera that can shoot blistering fast. I'd guess $6499
wickerprints wrote:
I'm pretty sure this camera is the sole successor to the 1D4 and 1Ds3. Canon wouldn't use a special designation "X" if they intended to keep these product lines separate.
M Vers wrote:
Why not, though? They could have just added the 'X' to differentiate it from the 1D series--it is, after all, a new generation of camera. I'd bet my bottom dollar the 1Ds will live on as a high MP pro camera in one form or another.
I agree with Matt. This is definitely not the landscape or fine art camera Canon is working on as we speak. There is a good chance it may be announced next year in February at the PMA. So, I hope .
The ISOs seriously need to be reset to the original progression, i.e., multiples of 16, 25, 32, 40, 50, 64, 80, and 125. There should be 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200, 6400, 125,000, 160,000, 200,000, 250,000, and so on. The crazy fractionalization is meaningless compared to the accuracy of the photo sensitivy. After all, the exact mathematically progressive increments (cube root of 2) are not used for the lower speeds.
"Traditionally, top model in Canon's digital SLR cameras, especially with better image quality "1Ds" the best performance and high-speed series "1D" was deployed in two lines of the series. New product "EOS-1D X" to unify them is the flagship model that combines the highest level of professional performance and high-quality high-speed performance. "
That was from the Nikkei release, translated to english. I'm extremely sad to say, I think the 1Ds is dead.
Danielkl wrote:
"Traditionally, top model in Canon's digital SLR cameras, especially with better image quality "1Ds" the best performance and high-speed series "1D" was deployed in two lines of the series. New product "EOS-1D X" to unify them is the flagship model that combines the highest level of professional performance and high-quality high-speed performance. "
That was from the Nikkei release, translated to english. I'm extremely sad to say, I think the 1Ds is dead.
That would seem to imply that implicitly, if not explicitly?
Although I think the timing of the Olympics had a large bearing on the specifications of this body, with a bent towards speed and photojournalism.
It will be interesting to see where they take the 5Dx... perhaps it will become the large mp count and video platform?
Danielkl wrote:
"Traditionally, top model in Canon's digital SLR cameras, especially with better image quality "1Ds" the best performance and high-speed series "1D" was deployed in two lines of the series. New product "EOS-1D X" to unify them is the flagship model that combines the highest level of professional performance and high-quality high-speed performance. "
That was from the Nikkei release, translated to english. I'm extremely sad to say, I think the 1Ds is dead.
For now the 1D-X has simply unacceptable quality for many users, but in 5, 10, or 20 years the resolution may be higher and there would be no need for a 1Ds series.
M Vers wrote:
Why not, though? They could have just added the 'X' to differentiate it from the 1D series--it is, after all, a new generation of camera. I'd bet my bottom dollar the 1Ds will live on as a high MP pro camera in one form or another.
I think I agree. The X designation may be to indicate a total break from current 1D (non s) series. A 1D V could sound like just an evolution, but this is more a revolution. What would they call new 1Ds if it's based on most of this tech. 1Ds but is 30MP+; surely X
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