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p.7 #1 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Danielkl wrote:
"Traditionally, top model in Canon's digital SLR cameras, especially with better image quality "1Ds" the best performance and high-speed series "1D" was deployed in two lines of the series. New product "EOS-1D X" to unify them is the flagship model that combines the highest level of professional performance and high-quality high-speed performance. "

That was from the Nikkei release, translated to english. I'm extremely sad to say, I think the 1Ds is dead.


The 1Ds as such may be discontinued but Canon can just label that particular camera differently. "EOS-1D Z" comes to mind or maybe "EOS-1D A" dedicated to the Canon A line of years gone by . My point is, it is just a designation that can be changed as the need arises. For example, Canon 7D came out of nowhere without any heredity lineage.

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Oct 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM
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p.7 #2 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Zero interest in this body. Still waiting for the 5D III or 3D i.e. a compact FF.


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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p.7 #3 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


EB-1 wrote:
The ISOs seriously need to be reset to the original progression, i.e., multiples of 16, 25, 32, 40, 50, 64, 80, and 125. There should be 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200, 6400, 125,000, 160,000, 200,000, 250,000, and so on. The crazy fractionalization is meaningless compared to the accuracy of the photo sensitivy. After all, the exact mathematically progressive increments (cube root of 2) are not used for the lower speeds.

EBH


The thing is, for the purposes of reciprocity, the mathematically correct full stop increments of shutter speed and sensitivity are the exact integer powers of 2. Thus, the ISO progression is accurate--it's the shutter speeds that are wrong. So your suggestion to change ISO to match the shutter speed would be compounding one error with another.

The correct shutter speeds in full stop increments should be 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64, 1/128, 1/256, 1/512, 1/1024, 1/2048, 1/4096, and 1/8192 s.

Yes, the half- and third-stop increments aren't exact in either case, but that still doesn't justify making things less accurate for an illusory notion of convenience. It's not that hard to memorize the powers of 2. In fact, I often find it easier to remember these values than the shutter speed values.



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:15 PM
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p.7 #4 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Nothing about this camera interests me. Time to start watching the Nikon Rumours site to see if the D800 turns out to be real (or just bite the bullet and go medium format).


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM
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p.7 #5 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


M Vers wrote:
http://cdn.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1dspoints.jpg
When are we going to see a camera with an ingeniously designed AF array with a wider point spread? Are there technical design issues preventing this from happening?


I think you might run into trouble if the AF sensors go too far out to the edges/corners due to optical issues with the lenses such as distortion, vignetting, other aberrations that may reduce reliability of AF sensor. Sensors seem to always lie in a sweet spot around centre.

Still why don't APS-C cameras have greater AF point coverage?



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM
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p.7 #6 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


For those of us who do work large prints yet balk at the cost of a full MFDB setup + backups, this is slightly upsetting. I have no particular desire to look at a 5D3 if it is along the lines of the 5D2, whose AF was crippled to be what was fundamentally a system that debuted on the 20D, and the lack of built in grip / full sealing / 3.9fps was not terribly attractive to me.


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM
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p.7 #7 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


AGeoJO wrote:
The 1Ds as such may be discontinued but Canon can just label that particular camera differently. "EOS-1D Z" comes to mind or maybe "EOS-1D A" dedicated to the Canon A line of years gone by . My point is, it is just a designation that can be changed as the need arises. For example, Canon 7D came out of nowhere without any heredity lineage.


Exactly. Where the 1Ds line is headed from here I don't know, but it won't just be put down in the backyard. If the 1Ds moniker is retired it's only because it has morphed into something else--it's place in the lineup will likely remain the same.



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM
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p.7 #8 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


molson wrote:
Nothing about this camera interests me. Time to start watching the Nikon Rumours site to see if the D800 turns out to be real (or just bite the bullet and go medium format).


The D800 and D400 might be fine. The other option is going with small format, e.g., the DX format (D400 or whatever) for teles and medium format for quality. It is a hassle, but so familiar from the film era.

EBH



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:20 PM
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p.7 #9 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Pixel Perfect wrote:
I think you might run into trouble if the AF sensors go too far out to the edges/corners due to optical issues with the lenses such as distortion, vignetting, other aberrations that may reduce reliability of AF sensor. Sensors seem to always lie in a sweet spot around centre.

Still why don't APS-C cameras have greater AF point coverage?


That's what I was thinking, Whayne...but don't you think such issues would be counteracted via lens->body communication algorithms? Toss on an UWA and the camera recognizes it and makes adjustments accordingly...



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM
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p.7 #10 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Danielkl wrote:
^ That is the nikon 51point AF. Count the dots. The new canon layout is 5x4, 7x3, 5x4.


In the posted photo of the supposed AF points, I count 61...

Four vertical columns of 5 AF points each on the left. = 20 AF points

Three vertical columns of 7 AF points each in the middle = 21 AF points

Four vertical columns of 5 AF points each on the right = 20 AF points.

TOTAL = 61 AF Points!



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:23 PM
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p.7 #11 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


He changed the photo.


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:24 PM
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p.7 #12 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Killergoalie wrote:
In the posted photo of the supposed AF points, I count 61...


I posted the wrong image at first and swapped it for the correct layout. Either way my point remains...



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:25 PM
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p.7 #13 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Nikon has D3x, and D3s ....
So, Canon will have 1Dx, and then 1Ds ......again....

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Oct 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM
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p.7 #14 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


This camera has got me frothing at the mouth. I want one !


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM
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p.7 #15 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


M Vers wrote:
That's what I was thinking, Whayne...but don't you think such issues would be counteracted via lens->body communication algorithms? Toss on an UWA and the camera recognizes it and makes adjustments accordingly...


Possibly, but will AF reliability be good enough when doing 14fps; probably not. I'm sure it's not a huge issue for one shot mode, at least if we exclude extremes of sensor. So could they do a dual mode where you get greater coverage in one shot than AI servo?



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM
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p.7 #16 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


If this really is a merger of 1D and 1Ds, this camera will be very expensive, like $7999+, that is my guess.


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM
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p.7 #17 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Paul Yi wrote:
Nikon has D3x, and D3s ....
So, Canon will have 1Dx, and then 1Ds ......


No 1D X, not x. Size matters.



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM
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p.7 #18 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


ts232 wrote:
Let's see, if I sell all of my bodies and lenses I think the 1D-X will be in $ reach. I could hang on to the 18-55 kit lens from my first Rebel so I have some glass for it.


But the 1Dx is fullframe.








Oct 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM
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p.7 #19 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Someone talk about the wifi/gps gadgets!


Oct 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM
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p.7 #20 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Dave Jr wrote:
If this really is a merger of 1D and 1Ds, this camera will be very expensive, like $7999+, that is my guess.


Something tells me Canon isn't going to abandon the high MP crowd.



Oct 17, 2011 at 11:32 PM
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