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p.38 #1EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
PhilDWedding wrote:
Undoubtedly.
yeah it should be a truly awesome cam for that
(assuming the new AF actually does all the magic claimed, etc.)
pretty much the perfect olympics camera
wickerprints wrote
It's a body tailor-made for the 2012 Olympics. That should be pretty obvious. Everything--and I mean everything--from the AF, the frame rate, the processing speed, the low-light ISO performance, dual CF, even the wired Ethernet jack...it's all for the Olympics.yeah it should be a truly awesome cam for that
(assuming the new AF actually does all the magic claimed, etc.)
pretty much the perfect olympics camera
Oct 21, 2011 at 01:50 PM
p.38 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Ralph Conway wrote:
At least we can discuss now, what price it will be. I think it will start at a level of 1D MK IV. Canon does not want to blow away the competitors solutions only. They want back the marked leadership and do huge sales.
they already suggested it will be $1800 USD above the 1D4 pricing
pretty much into the very serious pros who are still doing well territory or a few of the very best well off and serious amateurs
but perhaps it will drop to 1D4 pricing in time, maybe not until after the Olympics, at the least, unless nikon suddenly pops out a cheapy
At least we can discuss now, what price it will be. I think it will start at a level of 1D MK IV. Canon does not want to blow away the competitors solutions only. They want back the marked leadership and do huge sales.
they already suggested it will be $1800 USD above the 1D4 pricing
pretty much into the very serious pros who are still doing well territory or a few of the very best well off and serious amateurs
but perhaps it will drop to 1D4 pricing in time, maybe not until after the Olympics, at the least, unless nikon suddenly pops out a cheapy
Oct 21, 2011 at 01:52 PM
p.38 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
PhilDWedding wrote:
... Getting the shot for me as it happens is incredibly important. The kiss straight after their wedding doesn't happen twice..
. I actually missed a kiss a couple months ago because I fired the frist shot as they were coming in, and before I cycled my finger on the 5d2's shutter he pulled back out. I swear it didn't last 200 milliseconds....
... Getting the shot for me as it happens is incredibly important. The kiss straight after their wedding doesn't happen twice..
. I actually missed a kiss a couple months ago because I fired the frist shot as they were coming in, and before I cycled my finger on the 5d2's shutter he pulled back out. I swear it didn't last 200 milliseconds....Oct 21, 2011 at 01:57 PM
p.38 #4EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
PhilDWedding wrote:
... Getting the shot for me as it happens is incredibly important. The kiss straight after their wedding doesn't happen twice..
timbop wrote:
. I actually missed a kiss a couple months ago because I fired the frist shot as they were coming in, and before I cycled my finger on the 5d2's shutter he pulled back out. I swear it didn't last 200 milliseconds....
I can beat that.
I was at a friend's wedding, NOT as a photographer; they had fancy photographers for that. I was just a guest, fairly in the back of the crowd, back then (2002) with my D60 and whatever lens. The two photographers - one shooting MF and the other normal 35mm - were buzzing around in the front. Good coverage.
The kiss came. And kept going. After a few seconds, I figured, I'll take a picture, too. But they would not stop making out. So I have a few pictures, based on EXIF ranging across 8 seconds -- and I started late. The pros didn't get a single frame.
... Getting the shot for me as it happens is incredibly important. The kiss straight after their wedding doesn't happen twice..
timbop wrote:
. I actually missed a kiss a couple months ago because I fired the frist shot as they were coming in, and before I cycled my finger on the 5d2's shutter he pulled back out. I swear it didn't last 200 milliseconds....I can beat that.
I was at a friend's wedding, NOT as a photographer; they had fancy photographers for that. I was just a guest, fairly in the back of the crowd, back then (2002) with my D60 and whatever lens. The two photographers - one shooting MF and the other normal 35mm - were buzzing around in the front. Good coverage.
The kiss came. And kept going. After a few seconds, I figured, I'll take a picture, too. But they would not stop making out. So I have a few pictures, based on EXIF ranging across 8 seconds -- and I started late. The pros didn't get a single frame.
Oct 21, 2011 at 02:04 PM
p.38 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
they already suggested it will be $1800 USD above the 1D4 pricing
pretty much into the very serious pros who are still doing well territory or a few of the very best well off and serious amateurs
but perhaps it will drop to 1D4 pricing in time, maybe not until after the Olympics, at the least, unless nikon suddenly pops out a cheapy
Yes, I read that. But I read that the price in Yen is the same like 1D MK IV was,too.
Here in Germany we have to pay around 6100 $ for it at Amazon (tax included).
Ralph Conway wrote
At least we can discuss now, what price it will be. I think it will start at a level of 1D MK IV. Canon does not want to blow away the competitors solutions only. They want back the marked leadership and do huge sales.pretty much into the very serious pros who are still doing well territory or a few of the very best well off and serious amateurs
but perhaps it will drop to 1D4 pricing in time, maybe not until after the Olympics, at the least, unless nikon suddenly pops out a cheapy
Yes, I read that. But I read that the price in Yen is the same like 1D MK IV was,too.
Here in Germany we have to pay around 6100 $ for it at Amazon (tax included).
Oct 21, 2011 at 05:56 PM
p.38 #6EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
timbop wrote:
. I actually missed a kiss a couple months ago because I fired the frist shot as they were coming in, and before I cycled my finger on the 5d2's shutter he pulled back out. I swear it didn't last 200 milliseconds....
that's why you always leave it on continuous drive mode
PhilDWedding wrote
... Getting the shot for me as it happens is incredibly important. The kiss straight after their wedding doesn't happen twice... I actually missed a kiss a couple months ago because I fired the frist shot as they were coming in, and before I cycled my finger on the 5d2's shutter he pulled back out. I swear it didn't last 200 milliseconds....that's why you always leave it on continuous drive mode
Oct 21, 2011 at 08:48 PM
p.38 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Seems like a lot of people here need to belly up to a Hasselblad to meet their "needs."
Oct 22, 2011 at 10:52 AM
p.38 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
n0b0 wrote:
Hope you guys aren't expecting an ultra high MP 1DsIV because it doesn't sound like there's gonna be one.
For now.
I think people are interpreting this incorrectly.
The 1DX kills the 1DsIII. There's no reason to continue production of the 1DsIII.
They've put themselves in an awkward position.
So for 2012 the 1Dx is the single pinnacle camera.
Until the 1DXs in 2013, when the line will again be split.
Canon is a conservative Japanese company. What they say sometimes means only EXACTLY what they say. Did they say the line wouldn't be split again? No.
They are out of sync developmentally due to some choices a couple years ago, and their competitive position compared to the D3. This is most likely their 'fix', not a fundamental change in long-term strategy.
Canon has an edge over Nikon in producing very high res large CMOS. Are they giving that up long term? Very unlikely. It may just be weird for awhile, with the 5DIII being the resolution leader.
Hope you guys aren't expecting an ultra high MP 1DsIV because it doesn't sound like there's gonna be one.
For now.
I think people are interpreting this incorrectly.
The 1DX kills the 1DsIII. There's no reason to continue production of the 1DsIII.
They've put themselves in an awkward position.
So for 2012 the 1Dx is the single pinnacle camera.
Until the 1DXs in 2013, when the line will again be split.
Canon is a conservative Japanese company. What they say sometimes means only EXACTLY what they say. Did they say the line wouldn't be split again? No.
They are out of sync developmentally due to some choices a couple years ago, and their competitive position compared to the D3. This is most likely their 'fix', not a fundamental change in long-term strategy.
Canon has an edge over Nikon in producing very high res large CMOS. Are they giving that up long term? Very unlikely. It may just be weird for awhile, with the 5DIII being the resolution leader.
Oct 22, 2011 at 11:12 AM
p.38 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
dcmiller wrote:
For now.
I think people are interpreting this incorrectly.
The 1DX kills the 1DsIII. There's no reason to continue production of the 1DsIII.
They've put themselves in an awkward position.
So for 2012 the 1Dx is the single pinnacle camera.
Until the 1DXs in 2013, when the line will again be split.
Canon is a conservative Japanese company. What they say sometimes means only EXACTLY what they say. Did they say the line wouldn't be split again? No.
They are out of sync developmentally due to some choices a couple years ago, and their competitive position compared to the D3. This is most likely their 'fix', not...Show more →
reading into eosfun and other rumors, i think 1Dxs is never, but there may be an entirely new form factors, semi-modular high MP, high end camera late 2012 or early 2013 it sounds like. sounds like earthquake did push things back about 6 months for everything.
n0b0 wrote
Hope you guys aren't expecting an ultra high MP 1DsIV because it doesn't sound like there's gonna be one.I think people are interpreting this incorrectly.
The 1DX kills the 1DsIII. There's no reason to continue production of the 1DsIII.
They've put themselves in an awkward position.
So for 2012 the 1Dx is the single pinnacle camera.
Until the 1DXs in 2013, when the line will again be split.
Canon is a conservative Japanese company. What they say sometimes means only EXACTLY what they say. Did they say the line wouldn't be split again? No.
They are out of sync developmentally due to some choices a couple years ago, and their competitive position compared to the D3. This is most likely their 'fix', not...Show more →
reading into eosfun and other rumors, i think 1Dxs is never, but there may be an entirely new form factors, semi-modular high MP, high end camera late 2012 or early 2013 it sounds like. sounds like earthquake did push things back about 6 months for everything.
Oct 22, 2011 at 11:37 AM
p.38 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
With Canon the conservative answer is usually correct.
They have a data processing package with a pixel per second throughput. One camera is lower res and faster FPS. The other is higher res and lower FPS.
It's easy to make a 1DXs. It's risky to make fundamental changes. Is there any indication that senior Canon management are risk takers?
They have a data processing package with a pixel per second throughput. One camera is lower res and faster FPS. The other is higher res and lower FPS.
It's easy to make a 1DXs. It's risky to make fundamental changes. Is there any indication that senior Canon management are risk takers?
Oct 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM
p.38 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
dcmiller wrote:
It's easy to make a 1DXs.
Yes, but it's hard to market two 1D-series cameras. Which one is the THE flagship?
It seems to me that Canon might have changed their marketing strategy.
It's very plausible, IMO, that the real 1Ds successor will be a hybrid stills+video camera in a format suitable for both studio work and video.
They can easily charge $15,000+ for it, as video gear is very expensive for some reason.
At the same time, a 1D-XS would be very hard to price above than $10K, considering the expectations of the market.
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It's easy to make a 1DXs.
Yes, but it's hard to market two 1D-series cameras. Which one is the THE flagship?
It seems to me that Canon might have changed their marketing strategy.
It's very plausible, IMO, that the real 1Ds successor will be a hybrid stills+video camera in a format suitable for both studio work and video.
They can easily charge $15,000+ for it, as video gear is very expensive for some reason.
At the same time, a 1D-XS would be very hard to price above than $10K, considering the expectations of the market.
Edited on Oct 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM · View previous versions
Oct 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM
p.38 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Ralph Conway wrote:
I think it will start at a level of 1D MK IV.
Instore in the UK, the 1D-x will retail at approximately £5300 on release, close to outgoing 1DS mk3 prices. I purchased my 1Dmk4 for £3650. Work that out in €'uro's, either way it hell of a price difference!
I think it will start at a level of 1D MK IV.
Instore in the UK, the 1D-x will retail at approximately £5300 on release, close to outgoing 1DS mk3 prices. I purchased my 1Dmk4 for £3650. Work that out in €'uro's, either way it hell of a price difference!
Oct 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM
p.38 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
dcmiller wrote:
Canon has an edge over Nikon in producing very high res large CMOS.
I should hope so. Nikon doesn't make any CMOS. They buy Sony, who happens to have the highest resolution commercially available 35MM sensor out there, which they've had for 3 years. Canon is far behind in the high-resolution CMOS development game -- Nikon is only worse because they're not even playing.
n0b0 wrote
Hope you guys aren't expecting an ultra high MP 1DsIV because it doesn't sound like there's gonna be one.I should hope so. Nikon doesn't make any CMOS. They buy Sony, who happens to have the highest resolution commercially available 35MM sensor out there, which they've had for 3 years. Canon is far behind in the high-resolution CMOS development game -- Nikon is only worse because they're not even playing.
Oct 22, 2011 at 12:03 PM
p.38 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Obviously canon can make a 25-30mp dslr.
The 1DX is two stops better than Nikon, ans its between the two D3 in megapixels. If the AF is as good or superior they're in a good position. Maybe it outresolves the D3X. We'll have to see.
The 1DX is two stops better than Nikon, ans its between the two D3 in megapixels. If the AF is as good or superior they're in a good position. Maybe it outresolves the D3X. We'll have to see.
Oct 22, 2011 at 12:10 PM
p.38 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Sp12 wrote:
I should hope so. Nikon doesn't make any CMOS. They buy Sony, who happens to have the highest resolution commercially available 35MM sensor out there, which they've had for 3 years. Canon is far behind in the high-resolution CMOS development game -- Nikon is only worse because they're not even playing.
No, this is misleading. Canon chooses not to produce high pixel density CMOS sensors for their DSLR products. They absolutely do have the technological capability to do it, as evidenced by their 120 MP APS-H CMOS prototype, announced last year.
Their choice not to put such high densities in their full frame DSLRs have more to do with the required signal and image processing requirements and image quality performance than anything else.
I should hope so. Nikon doesn't make any CMOS. They buy Sony, who happens to have the highest resolution commercially available 35MM sensor out there, which they've had for 3 years. Canon is far behind in the high-resolution CMOS development game -- Nikon is only worse because they're not even playing.
No, this is misleading. Canon chooses not to produce high pixel density CMOS sensors for their DSLR products. They absolutely do have the technological capability to do it, as evidenced by their 120 MP APS-H CMOS prototype, announced last year.
Their choice not to put such high densities in their full frame DSLRs have more to do with the required signal and image processing requirements and image quality performance than anything else.
Oct 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM
p.38 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
How is it misleading? Unless you are inside Canon's internal dev team I don't think you have the right to speak on the manner. We can see from their current product lineup that they are behind when it comes to pixel density on the 35mm format.
And the 120MP APS-H isn't really an item worth mentioning -- It's not like it takes new fab processes to put P&S level densities on a DSLR-size chip. Sure there was some innovation in readout mechanism there but nothing that hasn't been done previously in scientific CMOS.
And the 120MP APS-H isn't really an item worth mentioning -- It's not like it takes new fab processes to put P&S level densities on a DSLR-size chip. Sure there was some innovation in readout mechanism there but nothing that hasn't been done previously in scientific CMOS.
Oct 22, 2011 at 01:05 PM
p.38 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Sp12 wrote:
How is it misleading? Unless you are inside Canon's internal dev team I don't think you have the right to speak on the manner. We can see from their current product lineup that they are behind when it comes to pixel density on the 35mm format.
And you are on their "internal dev team?" You don't have any more authority to speak on the matter than I do.
And the 120MP APS-H isn't really an item worth mentioning -- It's not like it takes new fab processes to put P&S level densities on a DSLR-size chip. Sure there was some innovation in readout mechanism there but nothing that hasn't been done previously in scientific CMOS.
You obviously don't understand the point I'm making, which is that saying "Canon is behind the times" implies that they are incapable of delivering more resolution, when the reality is that they do have the ability--they just choose not to exercise it.
And it's not as if the 1Ds3 and 5D2's image sensor at 21 MP is so much more inferior than a 24 MP Sony sensor. The pixel pitch is not significantly different. Take your anti-Canon propaganda elsewhere. Just because you have a hardon for Sony and Nikon doesn't mean you are correct or that your words have any weight.
How is it misleading? Unless you are inside Canon's internal dev team I don't think you have the right to speak on the manner. We can see from their current product lineup that they are behind when it comes to pixel density on the 35mm format.
And you are on their "internal dev team?" You don't have any more authority to speak on the matter than I do.
And the 120MP APS-H isn't really an item worth mentioning -- It's not like it takes new fab processes to put P&S level densities on a DSLR-size chip. Sure there was some innovation in readout mechanism there but nothing that hasn't been done previously in scientific CMOS.
You obviously don't understand the point I'm making, which is that saying "Canon is behind the times" implies that they are incapable of delivering more resolution, when the reality is that they do have the ability--they just choose not to exercise it.
And it's not as if the 1Ds3 and 5D2's image sensor at 21 MP is so much more inferior than a 24 MP Sony sensor. The pixel pitch is not significantly different. Take your anti-Canon propaganda elsewhere. Just because you have a hardon for Sony and Nikon doesn't mean you are correct or that your words have any weight.
Oct 22, 2011 at 01:47 PM
p.38 #18EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
It's hard to precisely and equitably compare Canon's sensor technology vs Nikon and Sony since the product release cycles between them are skewed. Canon presently holds the lead for High ISO read noise on the ID IV. By my measures that's the only place Canon holds a lead. They are significantly behind Sony in low-ISO read noise/dynamic range, for both APS-C and FF (at lease Nikon's implementation of the 24MP Sony sensor). On a resolution-normalized basis Nikon holds the lead in High ISO dynamic range. Although the D3s's SNR is behind the ID IV on a sensor size-normalized basis, what's remarkable about the D3s is how much more selective its CFA is vs. Canon while still having such high SNR. Starting with the 1Ds III and even more so with the 5D II, Canon really took liberties with the CFA to increase its High ISO performance. The difference in CFA's is quite noticeable when you start performing color post processing of he images.
It will be real interesting to see what design decisions Canon made with the 1D X's sensor.
It will be real interesting to see what design decisions Canon made with the 1D X's sensor.
Oct 22, 2011 at 02:18 PM
p.38 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
wickerprints wrote:
And you are on their "internal dev team?" You don't have any more authority to speak on the matter than I do.
The difference is that I say "we can see from their internal lineup", you say "because they obviously can, they just choose not to". I think our definitions of high-MP CMOS technology don't match, since mine isn't simply pixels/mm^2 (see 120MP example above), but IQ combined with smaller and smaller pixel pitches.
You obviously don't understand the point I'm making, which is that saying "Canon is behind the times" implies that they are incapable of delivering more resolution, when the reality is that they do have the ability--they just choose not to exercise it.
Clearly. Anyone with a 45nm fab (old) is capable of putting out literally gigapixel sensors on 35mm format. The difference is that Canon is far behind on packing those pixels together tightly and forming high levels of IQ while maintaining reasonable rates of readout. Not only is the 24MP Sony sensor denser, but it has much better color response and DR while matching Canon's 5FPS, despite the higher MP count.
And it's not as if the 1Ds3 and 5D2's image sensor at 21 MP is so much more inferior than a 24 MP Sony sensor. The pixel pitch is not significantly different. Take your anti-Canon propaganda elsewhere. Just because you have a hardon for Sony and Nikon doesn't mean you are correct or that your words have any weight.
I don't feel that personal attacks are necessary.
And you are on their "internal dev team?" You don't have any more authority to speak on the matter than I do.
The difference is that I say "we can see from their internal lineup", you say "because they obviously can, they just choose not to". I think our definitions of high-MP CMOS technology don't match, since mine isn't simply pixels/mm^2 (see 120MP example above), but IQ combined with smaller and smaller pixel pitches.
You obviously don't understand the point I'm making, which is that saying "Canon is behind the times" implies that they are incapable of delivering more resolution, when the reality is that they do have the ability--they just choose not to exercise it.
Clearly. Anyone with a 45nm fab (old) is capable of putting out literally gigapixel sensors on 35mm format. The difference is that Canon is far behind on packing those pixels together tightly and forming high levels of IQ while maintaining reasonable rates of readout. Not only is the 24MP Sony sensor denser, but it has much better color response and DR while matching Canon's 5FPS, despite the higher MP count.
And it's not as if the 1Ds3 and 5D2's image sensor at 21 MP is so much more inferior than a 24 MP Sony sensor. The pixel pitch is not significantly different. Take your anti-Canon propaganda elsewhere. Just because you have a hardon for Sony and Nikon doesn't mean you are correct or that your words have any weight.
I don't feel that personal attacks are necessary.
Oct 22, 2011 at 03:35 PM
p.38 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20111020_484856.html
Would be nice to see the full res versions.
Would be nice to see the full res versions.
Oct 24, 2011 at 05:40 PM