Bifurcator wrote:
Well several Apple products have built-in cameras. Apple produces several applications for editing photographs and video footage. And of course Apple designs and manufacturers one of the very best hardware platforms to edit, manage, share, store, and display your photography on.
Umm, I'd say Apple is more relevant to modern photography than any other single company on the planet. That one of the designers / mascots / banner carriers / vision leaders, died is pretty relevant to probably most users found in a "camera forum".
Wouldn't you say so?
EDIT: I see Tariq and I stepped on each other... Sorry about that! ...Show more → Tariq Gibran wrote:
Great minds and all that stuff!
rhyder wrote:
No...great minds don't think alike....average minds do. Great mind think of thing like adding a graphical interface to the home computer.
But that was Xerox and not Jobs nor Apple. Xerox's "Pink" is what Jobs ripped and used in the Apple for the UI - first in Lisa and then later in Macintosh. Even the idea of a mouse was Xerox's.
Hehe, I was alive and playing with computers already in those days. Actually, I was even before the Apple 1 was an inkling in Wozniak's eye.
artsupreme wrote:
Robert, do you really think your "I sold my 5D" post in the Canon forum is more relevant than the death of a legend in the technology world who impacted most of our lives with his product? Should everyone post a thread when they sell a piece of gear so they can get a group hug from their forum buddies? Give it up, I would much rather see this thread in the Canon form than 99% of the other garbage.
RobertLynn wrote:
If you didn't directly know him, or were involved in his life, the. You're not mourning anything.
Not being insensitive, being realistic.
Sorry Robert but I have to disagree with you here. I did not personally know Sid Barrett or Richard Wright of Pink Floyd but I mourned their passing because the music they created touched my life.
I did not know Heath Ledger but his movie performances will be missed.
I can name many others that fit into that category as well.
Just because you don't personally know someone who influences so many people across the world it doesn't mean that you can't mourn the loss.
Like him or not, Steve Jobs' company produced not just one product but many different products that changed the lives of almost everyone here on this forum. I don't really know of any one person in our lifetime that has done that. From iPods to iPhones to iPads to computers they changed the way we live our lives. Not only as photographers but as people in general. Every single photography, and other board that I am involved in has a similar post about the passing of Steve Jobs whether it has anything to do with that board or forum.
No one is trying to make you the bad guy here but unfortunately you have seemed to take offense at this particular thread and that seems to be what people are taking offense at. Looking at the main page of the Canon forum I see no less than 4 other topics that have nothing to do with Canon cameras but they are relevant to people who own Canon cameras. I don't see people complaining that they shouldn't be here, they just seem to ignore them.
Many of us here think of the others on this forum not only as fellow photographers and camera enthusiasts but also as friends. And when a friend experiences a loss of someone who has had an influence on how we live our lives we support them.
Back in 2005 I saw Steve deliver his speech at Stanford commencement. I think it was a very powerful speech which incidently did show both aspects of him - his showman nature and "lack-of-humility" as well as his vision and perspective. Just imagine reminding a group of recently graduated students that he was a college drop out and that he thought carrying on with college education would have been a waste of his parents' hard earend money . But then his perspectives about what to make of one's life were really inspiring, even life-changing for some people.
I am not an "apple fan" (though I am not a hater either) and I dont think that Steve was a perfect human being but then who is. When we appreciate a brilliant artist we dont necessarily condone every aspect of his/her life. In fact we might not know much about them at all but we do know that through a combination of their talenet and hard work they saw beyond others and thats worth apluading. I think the same applies to someone like steve as well. He had a certain vision and ability to see beyond what most others in the field were able to see, and he worked hard to build on that. And thats worth applauding in my opinion.
Etadam wrote:
Sad day.
Sincere condolences to his family and to all his followers.
Could more people read Steve Jobs' (best) biographies in order to understand why and where he was different, why he was a true visionary.
Rest in peace, Mister Jobs.
His followers - indeed, they seemed to form a religion of sorts when it came to this company. A visionary, yes, with a clever ability to make people realize their need for all the electronic gadgets their lives were so empty without!
netexpress wrote
Let me make this clear. If you have an objection to the topic and you want it moved or deleted report it as an abuse to the moderators please. Please stop chain posting all over this topic unless you have something relevant to say about the topic and you can be courteous, and polite.
Looks like a moderator moved this to the correct forum. What does that tell you?
Maybe if you had not been such an eager beaver to post the topic on multiple forums, you would not have stirred up a controversy. There is no rule against posting the same thread on multiple forums because common sense would suggest that this site prefers the subject of the thread to match the forum that is most relevant.
At least you didn't post this thread on every forum, even though one could somehow link Steve Jobs to many of them.
He impacts my life every day, in the technologies I have come to rely upon and enjoy the most. I found myself affected by his death in ways that I could not imagine, and though his accomplishments in life are certainly cause for celebration, I can't shake the sense of loss I feel at his death.
Imagemaster wrote:
Looks like a moderator moved this to the correct forum. What does that tell you?
Maybe if you had not been such an eager beaver to post the topic on multiple forums, you would not have stirred up a controversy. There is no rule against posting the same thread on multiple forums because common sense would suggest that this site prefers the subject of the thread to match the forum that is most relevant.
At least you didn't post this thread on every forum, even though one could somehow link Steve Jobs to many of them.
For what it is worth, I did not ask a moderator to move this, nor did I report the post. Obviously, since it has been moved, there's nothing more to say regarding this, and even if it wasn't, I've stated my piece. mspringfield wrote:
Sorry Robert but I have to disagree with you here. I did not personally know Sid Barrett or Richard Wright of Pink Floyd but I mourned their passing because the music they created touched my life.
I did not know Heath Ledger but his movie performances will be missed.
I can name many others that fit into that category as well.
Just because you don't personally know someone who influences so many people across the world it doesn't mean that you can't mourn the loss.
You are absolutely right in this regard, and in my ignorance, I didn't detail my comment better. I can relate in a similar way to your above story. I remember when the singer of Alice in Chains died, I had just seen them and I enjoyed their music greatly. Same with quite a few other musicians that I enjoy very much (even though they are dead, I still enjoy the music).
Perhaps these types of posts make me sigh, is because there's a group of people who act truly hurt, over the death of someone they've never met. The people that really are hurt over it are the friends, and family of the deceased. In this case, the poor guy had a cancer with a <5% chance of survival and was sick for some time. He fought a good fight, and it's a damn shame that he couldn't pull through. We do not know what went on behind the scenes, but as someone who has watched more than one friend or family member die of cancer, it wasn't all butterflies and rainbows.
Whatever your beliefs are, at least he's in a better place now. Whether that's an after-life, or just no longer suffering.
laurapalmer wrote:
His followers - indeed, they seemed to form a religion of sorts when it came to this company. A visionary, yes, with a clever ability to make people realize their need for all the electronic gadgets their lives were so empty without!
A little simplistic considering the impact he and his company has had on the computer world (obviously), the music world (bought a CD lately?) the smartphone world (I went form a TREO to an iPhone...'nuff said), the movie world (Cars, Toy Story, Monsters Inc. Nemo, etc) retailing (why is it if you go into a shopping mall most of the stores are empty and have 3 employees while the Apple store which really doesnt sell a lot of different stuff is packed and has 20 people working the floor and 5 'geniuses') and for a while Apple market cap exceeded Exxon...
There must be a lot of people who have empty lives...and every CEO wishes to be so clever.
There are some people that you will always remember
what you were doing when you heard they died
For me in my younger life it was JFK,then Roberto Clemente
Later on it was MLK, John Wane and John Lennon
Now I will remember I was on FM when I heard about Steve Jobs
I always wonder If other people associate moments with the death of someone
RobertLynn wrote:
Whatever your beliefs are, at least he's in a better place now. Whether that's an after-life, or just no longer suffering.
That I'm not so sure about. I don't think he was one to believe in an afterlife, and when I saw him in the hallways he seemed extremely passionate about his work despite his suffering. I honestly believe he would have preferred to suffer on and do what he loved.
Bifurcator wrote:
But that was Xerox and not Jobs nor Apple. Xerox's "Pink" is what Jobs ripped and used in the Apple for the UI - first in Lisa and then later in Macintosh. Even the idea of a mouse was Xerox's.
Hehe, I was alive and playing with computers already in those days. Actually, I was even before the Apple 1 was an inkling in Wozniak's eye.
But while Xerox didn't understand how to implement their ideas in a way that worked for most people, Steve Jobs did. I worked at Xerox during the 80's, and we couldn't grasp why designers preferred the Mac with its pinhead sized monitor rather than the 21" monitor of a Xerox Documenter. Xerox later abandoned the project of course, and what Apple did is rather visible these days.
With Mr. Jobs, one of the greatest visionaries is gone, one of those few who could see the whole picture and make solutions that interacted in a logical, easy to use way. He has changed the way we use information technology, and his footsteps will be visible in the sand for a long time... until a new wave washes them away.
^^ +1. Normally I would have been the first to point out that "apple just took someone else's idea", however, we have to appreciate the difference between inveting something versus understanding the potential of an invention and taking it where it belongs.
Reminds me of a little incident back in my college days in one of the classes. A circuits professor presented a problem to the class and no one was quite sure how to attack it. One of the students muttered something slowly and relunctantly but then gave up. Another student close to him picked up what he had said, thought about it for a moment and then went to the board and solved the problem. Result was he got bonus points awarded. However the first student then complained that it was really his idea. The professor simply said that it might have been your idea but the other guy had more confidence in it then you did.
And thats roughly how I see it. There is a huge difference between just having an idea versus believing in an idea, having a vision about where it will lead you, and then giving it everything you have to take it where you want to take it.
What I admired most with Steve Jobs is that he belonged to that nearly extinct spices - the great industrialist. Large corporations today are for the most part controlled by boards of directors that care for nothing but quarterly earnings and whose interest in the company is temporary and limited. The CEOs they hire are just employees caring no more about their company than any other rank and file employee.
Steve Jobs provided a vision and a driving force to Apple. The company was an integral part of his life and his passion for it is reflected in the products of the company. Not only that but in the absence of any similar leaders he was a guiding force for the tech industry in general.
I mean, what do we have now? That Facebook sleazebag Zuckerberg? Or perhaps Steve Ballmer at the head of Microsoft? Yeah, right. Billy G was never in the same league as Jobs but was still head and shoulders above Ballmer who can't decide if he should go to the bathroom or not without consulting a focus group. And then we have Larry Page and Sergey Brin whose vision extends very little from what you'd expect of a ten year old kid in a toy store. There's no focus. No vision.
With Steve Jobs on the other hand everything was a crusade and he managed to a lot of things by sheer willpower. It's exceedingly rare to find a person that is a long term visionary that expertly combined those visions with a practical technical know-how and a genius for marketing and business in general. I think you need to go as far back as to Henry Ford to find an industrialist of the same caliber.
A common remark is that it was not Jobs who invented and designed all those popular Apple products. That is true on a very superficial level - you can equally say that it's actually not the Apple engineers that make all the iphones, ipads and iwhatnot, but that it's the anonymous workers in Chinese factories that actually build the devices. Sure, all the levels are required to create the final product, but what the factory floor workers do any semi-skilled labor can reproduce. And there are plenty of competent engineers working for much less successful companies. What Steve Jobs did was in its context unique and I'm not sure that Apple can recover from this loss.
The new CEO Tim Cook is a competent manager but he is not a visionary leader and has the charisma of a potted plant. My guess is that they'll be able to live off Steve's vision for a couple of more years while gradually losing focus. I think that in ten years or so Apple will be back to being a small, fairly insignificant company removed from the mainstream.
That's too bad as Steve Job's Apple has in the past 10 years been an influential driving force in the tech industry. During that period anything that they did became the gold standard that was imitated by the competitors. Without Steve's vision and leadership I can't see Apple continuing doing that and I can't see anyone else today picking up where he left off. Had he lived for a decade or two more the tech industry would have been different from what we're going to see. And I'm convinced that it would have been better.
So it's a great loss for all, including people that have never touched and never planned to touch an Apple product.
He was one of the most influential business executives in history - ranks up there for me with Henry Ford and Walt Disney. He wasn't cuddly, but he was excellent, and for a long, long time.
I compete with his company, but I can't help but respect the man, his vision and what he built. RIP Steve.
Sorry about that!
Actually, I was even before the Apple 1 was an inkling in Wozniak's eye.