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p.9 #1 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


We finally managed to meet Vincent, who unfortunately had hurt his legs two days ago and was not able to walk very much. So we decided to get all into his car and drive to the Reichstag area, where we would have lots of shooting possibilities within very short walking distance.
In the meantime Ignacio arrived, bringing his nice used Leica M2.

We walked to the Reichstag and took some shots there, passing the modern Paul-Löbbe-Haus on the opposite side.


Canon 5D2 and Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.7 (Contax):





Reichstag, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Reichstag, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr




Philippe borrowed me his ZE 21mm:




Reichstag, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Paul-Löbbe-Haus,Berlin,Germany by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Paul-Löbbe-Haus,Berlin,Germany by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Paul-Löbbe-Haus,Berlin,Germany by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Reflection 1108-1 by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Reflection 1108-2 by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Architecture Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr




We where tired and thirsty after that and decided to look around and find a nice coffee shop to get some drinks.


As Philippe wanted his ZE 21 back he offered me to try the 35/1.4 ZE. However, Carsten took the first shot with it and my camera:





Sugar by pictorlucis, on Flickr




to be continued....



Aug 11, 2011 at 08:29 AM
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p.9 #2 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


On our way to the coffee shop I had changed cameras and took a last shot of the Reichstag with the Nex-3 and the Leitz Elmarit 90mm f/2.8:





Reichstag, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr




And since the Nex is a wonderful camera to shoot from the hip, I couldn't resist to take a hidden shot of this beautiful asian girl. She seemed to be a bit lost. Again Elmarit 90:





Asian Tourist by pictorlucis, on Flickr





After our break we changed the side of the Spree river and approached the buildings from the other side.

Canon 5D2 with Philippes ZE 1.4/35:





Paul-Löbbe-Haus,Berlin,Germany by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Paul-Löbbe-Haus,Berlin,Germany by pictorlucis, on Flickr





Reflection 1108-3 by pictorlucis, on Flickr




to be continued...



Aug 11, 2011 at 09:14 AM
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p.9 #3 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Whilst walking around I got a bit bored of shooting architecture (I do not shoot architecture very often) and kind of liked the idea of strolling a bit more in stealth mode with the Nex-3 and the Elmarit 90, doing people photography, which is a bit more common for me:





People, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr





People, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr





People, Berlin by pictorlucis, on Flickr




A bit later Carsten "forced" me to take a shot of some leaves. Now I am in territory that I should better leave for others, especially for Carsten, the king of leaves

Canon 5D2, ZE 1.4/35 (courtesy of Philippe again):





Leaves by pictorlucis, on Flickr



Aug 11, 2011 at 09:35 AM
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p.9 #4 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


And finally my version of the MP cages . That was taken with Markus' (Ulff's) Canon TS-E 17mm, a wonderful lens, but very difficult to use for me, as I had never shot a tilt/shift lense before. I had to de-saturate a bit in post and also, I was not able to sharpen without creating moiree that was not in the image before sharpening:





The MP Cages by pictorlucis, on Flickr




That was it for now, sorry for the lack of artistic value in some images, but I wanted to give you a short overview of what we did in chronological order. Also, I was obviously responding with some images to images others have posted. I hope this sets where not too boring.

Heinz



Aug 11, 2011 at 09:46 AM
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p.9 #5 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Fascinating, Heinz! And some remarkable shots! My favorite is the first one marked "architecture Berlin". Wall-hanging stuff!


Aug 11, 2011 at 09:51 AM
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p.9 #6 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Very nice write-up, Heinz, and well illustrated with great photos!


Aug 11, 2011 at 09:54 AM
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p.9 #7 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Markus, your point regarding tilt-shift lenses is well taken. Should I be looking at a Leica Curtagon 35?


Aug 11, 2011 at 09:56 AM
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p.9 #8 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


If you refer to my architectural-style text above, Philippe, the point was to control more what to do with vertical lines in architectural shots. To use lenses with shift-functionality is one approach, but using simply a wider (non-shift) lens hold parallel to the ground (without tilting it up or down) would lead to the same results. Bringing more distance between the photographer and the target helps also, because it's easier this way to keep the lens parallel to the ground. The main advantage of shift lenses is that you don't need to crop the image in some cases (vs. normal wide lenses) and in some situations non-shift lenses are simply not wide enough.

Regarding shift-lenses, I would recommend the Zeiss 35 2.8 PC or the Canon 24 TS-E II as the best compromises between IQ and useful focal lengths. Never tried the Leica you mentioned.



Aug 11, 2011 at 10:19 AM
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p.9 #9 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
Canon 5D2 with Philippes ZE 1.4/35:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6133/6032454546_2bd2317012_b.jpg
Paul-Löbbe-Haus,Berlin,Germany by pictorlucis, on Flickr


That is a distressing case of aliasing. Could you make a full-size version available?




Aug 11, 2011 at 11:56 AM
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p.9 #10 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Toothwalker wrote:
That is a distressing case of aliasing. Could you make a full-size version available?



You are right. It is introduced by resizing and sharpening, sorry, did not check after upload.

RAW is here: http://ge.tt/8dAs0k6?c



Aug 11, 2011 at 12:05 PM
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p.9 #11 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


OK, with all sharpening methods that I know I get this aliasing. If someone has an idea, please feel free to edit my raw and repost it and share what you did.
Thanks.



Aug 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM
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p.9 #12 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


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Edited on Oct 11, 2011 at 02:25 AM · View previous versions



Aug 11, 2011 at 12:24 PM
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p.9 #13 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


OK, you caught me, Vincent. Please send my your account details.

Thanks for the nice comment, though, Philippe, Markus and Vincent.



Aug 11, 2011 at 12:46 PM
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p.9 #14 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
OK, with all sharpening methods that I know I get this aliasing. If someone has an idea, please feel free to edit my raw and repost it and share what you did.
Thanks.


Thank you for the image, it is a wonderful sample to test resampling and sharpening algorithms. It is not easy to get completely rid of the aliasing, but on the other hand I find it even more difficult to get the amount that you got. Here is a first attempt - admittedly without much sharpening. My crop is slightly different from yours and I did not apply any other correction to the raw file.

http://toothwalker.org/temp/fm/aa3341.jpg







Aug 11, 2011 at 01:03 PM
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p.9 #15 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Yes, without sufficient sharpening it is quite easy to get decent results. I did use my usual sharpening script in PS and LAB mode which has never failed so far, because I let it show all dialogs and can usually control the results very easily. But, I do not shoot architecture very often and it was the first time I used this lens.


Aug 11, 2011 at 01:10 PM
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p.9 #16 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
Yes, without sufficient sharpening it is quite easy to get decent results. I did use my usual sharpening script in PS and LAB mode which has never failed so far, because I let it show all dialogs and can usually control the results very easily. But, I do not shoot architecture very often and it was the first time I used this lens.


The problem is not the sharpening, but the resampling algorithm. If the downsampling leaves a trace of aliasing, it will be boosted by sharpening. Here is a resized version with sufficient anti-aliasing (I think). Of course, the trade-off is a softer image that requires more sharpening - depending on your taste. What happens when you apply your usual sharpening script to the image below?

http://toothwalker.org/temp/fm/fft.jpg



Aug 11, 2011 at 02:55 PM
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p.9 #17 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Toothwalker wrote:
What happens when you apply your usual sharpening script to the image below?


looks good after sharpening. What did you do to resize?



Aug 11, 2011 at 03:48 PM
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p.9 #18 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6079/6032306280_376024244b_b.jpg
Reflection 1108-1 by pictorlucis, on Flickr


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6032307462_4ffe103ea8_b.jpg
Reflection 1108-2 by pictorlucis, on Flickr



I see that there is more Urheberrechtsprobleme here. Another million for each of Markus, Philippe and myself is in order. Oh, twice each, look at the three in the centre, in both photos.



Aug 11, 2011 at 04:09 PM
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p.9 #19 · FM Berlin Photo Meet





ROTFL, it looks like I have another 2 1/2 shots that I wanted to post Scary that my shots look so different than yours. I never would have thought it possible, but six people going to exactly the same places can end up with six different styles!

Very nice shots, Heinz, yours I mean. The reflection series are very interesting. The first Reichstag shot is another postcard, in the best sense, and the people shots are also interesting!



Aug 11, 2011 at 04:14 PM
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p.9 #20 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
looks good after sharpening. What did you do to resize?


I haven't tried this, so maybe it doesn't work, but try to avoid even ratios, like 25%, 50%, and so on. I downsize by 62% twice in my algorithm, and the final resize goes to the desired size. By doing it in odd ratios, you force the image to be resampled, and avoids doubling up on existing artifacts.



Aug 11, 2011 at 04:18 PM
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