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p.10 #1 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Yum, I am getting hungry! Philippe, next time you come, bring a baguette and some ripe camembert, please


Aug 11, 2011 at 04:41 PM
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p.10 #2 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Ripe camembert? On a plane? I would never be able to explain that it is not one of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction....


Aug 11, 2011 at 04:46 PM
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p.10 #3 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Just take Air France


Aug 11, 2011 at 04:54 PM
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p.10 #4 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
looks good after sharpening. What did you do to resize?


Heinz, I grabbed the raw file as well as I got interested in the problem. I run it through ACR and got a TIF i opened in Photoshop. Downsizing to a width of 1000 pixels using "Bicubic (best for smooth gradients)" and then sharpening after that worked fine.

What application are you using for your PP?



Aug 11, 2011 at 05:06 PM
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p.10 #5 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Morfeus wrote:
looks good after sharpening. What did you do to resize?


I was afraid you would ask that. I opened the image in Matlab, performed a discrete 2D Fourier transform, threw away the high-frequency contents, applied windowing to my liking, and finally took an inverse 2D Fourier transform.

The first attempt was the best I could do with bicubic resampling in Paint Shop Pro X3.





Aug 11, 2011 at 05:27 PM
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p.10 #6 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Thank you, Carsten

Jonas, I use Lightroom for the raw conversion and then Photoshop to resize, Bicubic (best for smooth gradients) in two steps.

Strange.



Aug 11, 2011 at 05:29 PM
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p.10 #7 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Toothwalker wrote:
I was afraid you would ask that. I opened the image in Matlab, performed a discrete 2D Fourier transform, threw away the high-frequency contents, applied windowing to my liking, and finally took an inverse 2D Fourier transform.


oups. I do have Mathlab 13 installed on one of my computers but I am a total idiot in working with it.

There must be an easier solution. I will try ACR.

Thanks anyway for the effort.



Aug 11, 2011 at 05:32 PM
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p.10 #8 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Toothwalker wrote:
I was afraid you would ask that. I opened the image in Matlab, performed a discrete 2D Fourier transform, threw away the high-frequency contents, applied windowing to my liking, and finally took an inverse 2D Fourier transform.


Yeah, that's the hardcore way to do it. The problem though with low pass filtering is that you're also nuking the fine detail in the image. A 2D discrete wavelet transform might work better though. You could identify the precise component of the aliasing and remove just it, hopefully not killing too much detail along the way.

Anyway, my default PS script:

http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/moire/B_default.jpg

Less moire than the original but still visible.

Here I selected (before resize) the offending metal blinds in the circle and applied a Gaussian blur (r=2.5 px) to it. Then I used the same resize script:
http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/moire/B_preblur.jpg

Much better than my first version, wouldn't you say?

Not quite as good as nuking the high frequency components, but at the same time it doesn't destroy any other detail.



Aug 11, 2011 at 05:41 PM
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p.10 #9 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


denoir wrote:
Yeah, that's the hardcore way to do it. The problem though with low pass filtering is that you're also nuking the fine detail in the image. A 2D discrete wavelet transform might work better though. You could identify the precise component of the aliasing and remove just it, hopefully not killing too much detail along the way.

Anyway, my default PS script:

http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/moire/B_default.jpg

Less moire than the original but still visible.

Here I selected (before resize) the offending metal blinds in the circle and applied a Gaussian blur (r=2.5 px) to it. Then I used the same resize script:
http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/moire/B_preblur.jpg

Much better than my
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Not bad. Not bad at all. This technique might be less suitable for a batch job though


Not quite as good as nuking the high frequency components, but at the same time it doesn't destroy any other detail.


Well, there are always trade-offs. I notice now that the window that I used is still too steep: there is some ringing in my FFT image.







Aug 11, 2011 at 06:02 PM
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p.10 #10 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Luka, I asume you used the script discussed a while ago in the alt PP thread? LAB mode? Because that is what I did.


Aug 12, 2011 at 01:24 AM
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p.10 #11 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Heinz, this was my M9 script that looks like this:

http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/moire/B_script.jpg

I've been meaning to make a change to it, but I have not gotten around to do it. A Carsten pointed out, it's not good to have even steps between the resizes. So the 3000->2000->1500->920 should preferably be something like 3001 -> 2003 -> 1493 ->920 or something similar (i.e using prime numbers)

By the way, I've forgotten to say - great shots guys. I've really enjoyed the images you've posted. It looks like you had a great time



Aug 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM
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p.10 #12 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


ZE 21:
http://www.paintingwithlight.de/FilesEx/ze21_23.jpg



Aug 12, 2011 at 03:09 PM
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p.10 #13 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Another great capture, Markus!


Aug 12, 2011 at 03:27 PM
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p.10 #14 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Very nice! Matches your Reichstag shot very well!


Aug 12, 2011 at 03:29 PM
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p.10 #15 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Thank you Luka, I'll try that.

Markus, cool image!



Aug 12, 2011 at 04:25 PM
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p.10 #16 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


So! The next date:

How does everyone feel about either September 10 or November 8? I can do both, as can Jonas apparently.



Aug 13, 2011 at 06:03 AM
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p.10 #17 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


I cannot come on September 10 as I fly to Greece tomorrow for vacation and family and will return on the 12th.

November looks good though.



Aug 13, 2011 at 06:28 AM
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p.10 #18 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


I would favor September for two reasons. One, it is sooner, so a commitment is more meaningful. Second, weather is statistically better...


Aug 13, 2011 at 08:59 AM
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p.10 #19 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


denoir wrote:
Much better than my first version, wouldn't you say?


Your first and second version have in common that the blinds end up greenish, whereas I get gray blinds. I suppose that is a bug/feature of the change to Lab color mode?





Aug 14, 2011 at 09:43 AM
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p.10 #20 · FM Berlin Photo Meet


Probably just different color profile for the 5DII RAW development. The first shot is just resized and all sharpening operations are done on the L channel alone which means that colors can't be affected.


Aug 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM
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