Home · Register · Software · Software · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
Username   Password

  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Alternative Gear & Lenses | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              598      
599
       600              1382       1383       end
  

Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread
  
 
rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #1 · p.599 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Excellent Ryan! OK, I must have missed this entirely, but where does one find an 82mm filter adapter for the 21 Lux?
Allen - very appealing portrait!
Winston - lovely! Also nice moment of the couple from your previous post.
Doug - not boring at all. In fact, very informative. There is a slight difference, but definitely for the better. And something to keep in mind. For me though, it would be extremely difficult to give up EXIF focal length info. I change lenses quite frequently and would likely forget which shots were with which lens. Would have been nice if Leica allowed the camera to read the coding for EXIF but disable corrections. But this seems to be the best solution for the ISO-less method.
Charles - very masterful use of the Nocti! Love how he's holding the book too.
Gary, the B&W looks good! I agree about burning down the sky a bit.
Andrew - looks good, looking forward to more!
Joe - very nice feel.
Jabberwockt - congrats on the Konica. Regarding the CV40/1.4, I think it's best at near distances and where you want some slight wider aperture dreaminess and can tolerate potentially 'active' background bokeh. IMO it's not an ideal lens for scenes where you want good across-frame performance with relatively high micro contrast and detail. Its strong field curvature combined with SA conspire against such results. But I would suggest not giving up on it too quickly. Try it for some portraiture, for example.
Hilmar - excellent pop, as Michael pointed out!

Michael - I'm going to save you $7000. Take a look at this 50 Lux ASPH portrait done at f/2 in Hilmar's Flickr stream and compare it against the neighbouring image done with the 50AA. Hilmar is very kind to upload full-rez files to allow 100% comparisons. I would like to point out that CENTRALLY, the 50 Lux ASPH at f/2 appears to be nearly identical to the 50AA wide open at these distances. From this one comparison it also appears to blur the background slightly more, and might be about 1/3 stop brighter to boot. Where I think we both agree, is the Lux will stumble if you were to compose with the subject placed based on rule of thirds. What you will note with Hilmar's 50AA portraits at full rez, is that when the subject's eyes are off center, wide open sharpness at that point is excellent.
Or, spend that money on a 50/1. It will give you character! I can only comment on the 50/0.95 based on what I've seen here and on various other sites, but it *seems* to be a faster version of the Lux ASPH in terms of overall characteristics/rendering, but of course with more background blur.

Regarding the 50 Lux pre-ASPH questions, perhaps Andrew can chime in since he has one.. That said, I used one once at the Munich Leica store and was able to compare it against my Lux ASPH. I don't recall the serial number on it and therefore am not sure if it was the very earliest version of the Lux, which apparently is not quite as optically desirable as the second version. The sales guy said it was an 'overpriced collector's' lens, so not sure where that placed it, other than it was around 2500 Euro, IIRC.

50 Lux non-ASPH:






50 Lux ASPH (cropped a bit for framing consistency):






50 f/1.5 Summarit:






My feeling based on the above as well as Andrew's images, is the non-ASPH has a bit more background 'structure' to the blur than the ASPH.

Nice set from Savannah. I also like the first couple the most. The first one really pops. And I agree, it's looks like a tough way to make money. Maybe even worse than as a photographer...




Feb 15, 2013 at 03:35 AM
ryankarr
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #2 · p.599 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Ron!

It's Leica part # 14-481

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/586198-REG/Leica_14_481_E82_Filter_Adapter_f.html



Feb 15, 2013 at 03:50 AM
Andrew Gough
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #3 · p.599 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


More from the shoot.

Gary, I am now on my second 50 lux pre-asph. I foolishly traded the first one in on the Noctilux. I personally prefer the pre-asph to the Asph. The PA for short, is like a mini noctilux F1. It has the same type of bokeh, but it is more subtle. Sometimes the Noctilux can be too much, whereas the PA is a little less. The lens does yield purple fringing, and it is not as sharp as the Asph version. It is as Zhanghue said, it is a lens for art.

Joe88 - I traded my M9 fro a ME with a full warranty. I am patiently waiting for the M











































More to come.

Andrew

Edited on Feb 15, 2013 at 04:29 AM · View previous versions



Feb 15, 2013 at 04:05 AM
rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #4 · p.599 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


ryankarr wrote:
Thanks Ron!

It's Leica part # 14-481

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/586198-REG/Leica_14_481_E82_Filter_Adapter_f.html


Thanks Ryan. Do you think there is any risk of strong light sources from behind the camera reflecting off the filter and appearing in images due to the cutouts? 82mm filters would be easier to source and some Canon L lenses now also use that size, so it could work for me.. but would also make the 21 Lux even bigger.

Andrew, I agree, I can see that character in your 'PA' images... Hmm... something to think about.



Feb 15, 2013 at 04:20 AM
rirakuma
Online
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #5 · p.599 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron thanks heaps for the comparison !


Feb 15, 2013 at 04:20 AM
airfrogusmc
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #6 · p.599 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Andrew very nice.


Feb 15, 2013 at 04:26 AM
airfrogusmc
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #7 · p.599 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Beautiful Ron...


Feb 15, 2013 at 04:27 AM
Andrew Gough
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #8 · p.599 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron,

you had to show me the summarit




Feb 15, 2013 at 04:30 AM
rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #9 · p.599 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Warning, 50/1.5 Summarit is a low contrast lens.
I do like that it is glowy, though. And you can shoot it wide open in full sun without a ND because it's low contrast. Great for the M9's narrower dynamic range.












Some others from the archive that were posted here last year:










































First at f/2.8 for reference against wide open below it:












And vs. the 50 Lux ASPH, both wide open:












I think you can tell which is the ASPH.

A few more from the Summarit:

















For comparison, the CV40 f/1.4 with somewhat similar framing -







More Summarit:
































Sorry for the image spam.

Also should note that it flares extremely easily wide open - i.e. nasty veiling flare. All of these images were processed to taste to regain a decent contrast range. But you'll note that colour vibrancy for this lens isn't a problem, which impressed me, considering it has simple single coating and is from the 50s...

Edited on Feb 15, 2013 at 04:52 AM · View previous versions



Feb 15, 2013 at 04:46 AM
Gary Clennan
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #10 · p.599 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Such nice colors in your shots Ron. At certain distances, the bokeh from that Summarit reminds me of the 5cm Nikkor ltm f/1.4. I am really starting to appreciate some of these vintage lenses for their unique character. One of my next purchases may be a Summitar.... It has a bit of swirl which I like.

Thanks for the information Andrew on the 50lux. I would only keep it or my 50cron so not really sure what is the best move....



Feb 15, 2013 at 04:52 AM
 

Search in Used Dept. 



rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #11 · p.599 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Gary. I also test-shot the Summitar at the Leica store when I did the 50 Lux pre-ASPH and Summarit shots, just never put them online. IIRC, it felt somewhere between the Lux pre-ASPH and Summarit for background blur quality and contrast loss. In other words, it was a bit more restrained than the Summarit. The Nikkor IMO has stronger character than the Summarit due to the Sonnar design. A bit more rounded and lush feeling, and perhaps a bit more energetic background rendering. Contrast is probably also better, though it too will flare, as you know. It's also way more useful on a non-RF EVF/live view system because it focuses so close.


Feb 15, 2013 at 04:57 AM
rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #12 · p.599 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Repost of images from last May:

I've read that the Nikkor is optimized for closer focusing distances. My Summarit also is poor at infinity wide open, but stopped down a bit it's quite good. Both lenses blur the edges of high contrast transitions, such as tree branches/leaves against a sky. I actually like this look as it takes a lot of edge off the image. With the Nikkor the bleed has a bit of a blue shift, with the Summarit it's white. With the 50 Lux ASPH, very high contrast situations result in some purple fringing. The Summarit also exhibits a greater tendency to 'cats eyes' in background oof specular points. Both will flare if sun hits the front element, though the Summarit seems to lose much more contrast.

The order in the following images is generally Nikkor then Summarit.












Summarit with front element shaded by my hand:





















The last one above is the 50 Lux ASPH.
















Last is 50 Lux ASPH. The focus in the Nikkor shot is a bit off compared to the other two..
















Last is 50 Lux ASPH. The Nikkor seems to have a bit more close distance glow than the Summarit, looking at the edge of the white stone against the green.

These two are just Summarit and 50 Lux ASPH:












Again, I've adjusted each to get the tonality I wanted from a given scene, so you're not really seeing how flat the Summarit can look.... but one can tweak it to similar end results.



Feb 15, 2013 at 05:08 AM
Andrew Gough
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #13 · p.599 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron,

Thanks for posting these, you are dangerous to my wallet



Feb 15, 2013 at 05:24 AM
Jabberwockt
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #14 · p.599 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank Ron, I've actually owned the Konica for a long time, I'm a bit slow so sometimes it takes me forever to decide whether or not i like a lens The Nokton 40 will get a lot of real world use before i can decide.

Charles, regarding the 50lux Pre-Asph. I was shopping at a local store and they let me try their copy of the Pre-Asph against my own personal copy of the 50lux Asph. I only had the lens for a few minutes but here are my not so great test shots (Asph then Pre-Asph):


Larger


Larger

Bokeh diffrences aside, they are both sharp enough, but given the right situation I suspect that the Pre-Asph can render very aesthetically pleasing photos. I might one day get one myself, i think the last version that focuses a a bit closer would be most desirable. Anyways, here's one with the Pre-Asph where i like both the bokeh and the overall rendering:

Very large

Edited on Feb 16, 2013 at 03:30 AM · View previous versions



Feb 15, 2013 at 05:27 AM
dalegaspi
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #15 · p.599 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


"And you can shoot [the Summarit] wide open in full sun without a ND because it's low contrast. Great for the M9's narrower dynamic range."

hm...wouldn't the lens's formula (lack of aspherical and coating) account for the low contrast and not because it can capture more dynamic range. I mean, if a Summarit and a Summilux ASPH captures the same scene in RAW the same data would be captured...and not that the Summilux will have abrupt (clipped) rolloff in the shadows and/or highlights, no? AFAIK dynamic range is a property of the camera sensor...there is no glass that can extract data that wasn't there in the first place...that's physics, yes?

BTW that was a question...and my argument could be coming out of my a$$ ...and I'd love to be proven wrong with examples.



Feb 15, 2013 at 05:38 AM
charles.K
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #16 · p.599 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, thank you for the kind words Great examples and comparisons!!! Thanks for sharing. Seriously Ron, you must be working for the sales dept. of Leica...very tempting.
Allen, wonderful example of the M-M at 6400 ISO!!
Ryan, wonderful shots! The red filter is my favourite
Andrew, just love the colours and composition of these shots!
Jaberwockt, I have not had the chance to try the 50 Lux pre Asph. With the lenses having very different styles, it is easy to collect few older 50's along side the 50 Lux Asph



Feb 15, 2013 at 05:49 AM
rscheffler
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #17 · p.599 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Dale, yes, the Summarit's formula/coatings and 50s technology results in lower contrast. The M9's sensor has a rather narrow dynamic range compared to other modern options, and a modern Leica or Zeiss ZM lens with much better light transmission characteristics carry a very broad range of tonalities that can exceed the capability of the sensor.

All I can say is if I shoot the Summarit in full sun wide open, there is usually some highlight clipping, but it is much, much less and almost always recoverable (which is a feat given the M9's dislike for blowing highlights), than if I used the 50 Lux ASPH, where I'd have to stop down to at least f/2.5 if not f/2.8. This would imply the Summarit is not as fast/bright as the aperture indicates. Maybe it's just that my copy is not as clean as it could be. Not sure. I'd have to test it but I want to say the Nikkor 5cm is similar.

Because the old Summarit lens has a fair amount of veiling flare wide open, it basically compresses the contrast range of the scene to fit into a narrower space. I assume this is at the shadow end of the range where blacks are lifted considerably. IIRC, this is also a technique used in motion picture films with low contrast filters designed to compress the brightness range of a given scene.

Thanks for those samples Jabberwockt. I really like the look of the last one. The look of the lens, that is. The guy seems a bit... I don't know.

Andrew: The Summarit is a relative bargain.



Feb 15, 2013 at 05:53 AM
joe88
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #18 · p.599 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Winston, excellent shot of Karri Valley!
Allen, another really nice environmental portrait and I agree ISO6400 is very useable on the MM.
Ryan, love those B&W shots of the walkway with the deep blacks!
Ron, thanks for sharing those again. Really nice and agree with Andrew, you are dangerous for our wallets!! Do you still have the Nikkor? Let me know if you want to get rid of it
Andrew, excellent set with the old truck! Love the rendering and feel of the 2nd shot with the CV21 1.8!

----
M9 50CronV5 @ f/2









Feb 15, 2013 at 02:56 PM
seekuh
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.599 #19 · p.599 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Michael - I'm going to save you $7000. Take a look at this 50 Lux ASPH portrait done at f/2 in Hilmar's Flickr stream and compare it against the neighbouring image done with the 50AA. Hilmar is very kind to upload full-rez files to allow 100% comparisons. I would like to point out that CENTRALLY, the 50 Lux ASPH at f/2 appears to be nearly identical to the 50AA wide open at these distances. From this one comparison it also appears to blur the background slightly more, and might be about 1/3 stop brighter to boot. Where I think
...Show more

I absolutely agree with Ron. After testing the 50 APO for only a few days, I can confirm that it is a very great lens. Having tested it against the 50 Summilux ASPH I can state that it performs better in the outer areas of the frame. However, I don't think the differences are that huge. That's why I sold the 50 APO and kept the 50 Summilux ASPH. I plan to keep my M9 and won't buy the M so I need every extra stop which for me is more important than the little gain in sharpness the 50 APO provides.



Feb 15, 2013 at 04:49 PM
zhangyue
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.599 #20 · p.599 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Andrew, That is paint like rendering from PA50lux.
Ryan, I like the way you use bright spots in your frame. They give life to the foto.
Joe, excellent portrait. I know You want show us there is little point for 50cron APO

Andy, thanks for sharing. Is that Camerawest? The first set, PA50lux is slightly back focused, and 2nd one show that the lens is capable to produce high quality Portrait. Though I feel Zeiss Sonnar might have even more contrast in focus plane. I have to try that lens someday myself.

Hilmar, thanks for the updating. And full size sample. Since I canít afford it or it is not worth that much of money to me anyway, I think you made a good choice. And you have a very good reason for sell it as you said. But why no M240?

Ron, Thanks for those 50mm comparison. To be honest, I am not fond of those classical lens, too much all kind of aberration make me drizzy you must surprise to hear that since I use my set of 50 years lens very often. The 50cron and 35cron I have are indeed old, but they have pretty high performance even compare to modern lens. The slightly lower contrast can be seen but it is also relative easy to tight it up.

And, no, you didnít save me $7000 , I canít afford it even though I like it the best, but not for $7000. I have to pick lens or kids . If it is 1.4, I will sell off my DSLR setup, make the sacrifice to get it At f2, $7000 is way overpriced to me even for its peerless performance. But it is Leica. (maybe Zeiss 55mm) 50mm is never a hard designed focal length. There are tons of reasonable choices around without break bank.

But there are still two points for this lens for some people:

1 is its cross frame sharpness no FC to degrade performance anywhere as well as APO for color fidelity. This could be huge for some people but not so much for me.

2. Free compose, put subject anywhere in the frame at f2 have the same high performance. Make it truly as Leica claimed: only control aperture for DOF, but not performance. This is huge. This is also the reason I value 50lux ASPH higher now, even though we all know it has FC WO, but it still has the best performance in this regard compare any 1.4 lens I have on hand. In this regard, Zeiss MP50 is the best before, with the price at $1200, you can see how much Leica over price this lens



Feb 15, 2013 at 06:48 PM
1       2       3              598      
599
       600              1382       1383       end






FM Forums | Alternative Gear & Lenses | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              598      
599
       600              1382       1383       end
    
 

You are not logged in. Login or Register

Username   Password    Reset password