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p.5 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

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But...will it blend? (Lets hope not!)

Hey, don't give that guy any ideas.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:21 AM

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p.5 #2 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

I had a thought about camera buying patterns not too long ago:

People seem buy DSLRs the way americans used to buy cars - buying that SUV for the one time in 3 years you have to haul something heavy. Way too many photogs envision themselves as latter day Indiana Jones types, swinging from a vine in a torrential downpour to get that one shot of the jade amulet at 25,600 ISO to print out onto a poster.

I think this looks like a great camera, I'm excited about the video mode and I can't wait to see what kind of images people get out of it.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:22 AM

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p.5 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

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maybe a 1dsmk4 is closer than we think

yeah otherwise why would they use the 1dsmkiii sensor in the 5dmkii?

i bet they are holding back the gapless tech for that

EDIT: seems like sensor is new and should totally rock, apears to have many more improvements than RG listed.

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Sep 17, 2008 at 06:22 AM

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p.5 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

skibum5 wrote:
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The non-gapless sensor would be a joke, unless they're just using the same sensor as the 1ds3 as I suspected earlier...

If it's indeed a new sensor, and not just a firmware update, wouldn't 1ds3 users be clamoring for a sensor swap?

if after three years we waited and the only thing upgraded is the sensor and even that is reused from over a year ago... wow they still dont get it.
at leat they could've not held back on the sensor from us.
i hope that is just some mistake.

From image-resource preview

As compared to the image sensor from the original Canon 5D, the pixel pitch in the 5D Mark II's imager has dropped from 8.2µm to 6.4µm - the same as that of the 1Ds Mark III's chip, and the hardware architecture is also identical to that of the pro camera. However, the Canon 5D II's chip sports new RGB color filters with an improved transmission rate. A couple of improvements from the Canon 50D's image sensor also make their way into the 5D Mark II's imager - an improvement in the per-pixel light sensitive area, and gapless microlenses. There's also been an improvement to the output amplifier, and Canon tells us that there are other unspecified improvements to the way the image is developed on-chip. These changes are all said to come together to mean a cleaner signal that requires less amplification.

so it uses over a year old sensor and three year old AF and mirror box and they couldnt release this a year ago?

if they dont up the fps and AF i just dont get how they cant give us the latest sensor at least.

guess they are same old plan, must hold back fps, AF AND sensor so nothing can endanger 1 series. gotten give nikon credit.

or price it even lower than $2700 and make it a cheap general/landscaper dream (which wouldnt be a bad thing)

It appears the delay is to wait for digic IV so they could match Nikon on high ISO and offer video, that's about all.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:23 AM

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p.5 #5 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

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http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop02.html

Hah! Funny video. Listen to the audio, and then put yourself in the shoes (paws) of the squirrel.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:23 AM

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p.5 #6 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

I guess Canon intended to limit the frame rate 3.9fps on 5DII. That means it will not have similar spec with incoming 3D. Just wait if you need a bit more features like better AF and higher frame rate.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:23 AM

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p.5 #7 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Pixel Perfect wrote:
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One FPS slower than 1DsMkIII. Not a big deal, I reckon.
However, it wouldn't surprise me if the 5DII surpasses 1DsMkIII in IQ and high ISO performance.

I think Canon had to assert their prosumer FF camera IQ superiority today......that's where the 5D II should shine......if in the process they have to run over their flagship camera, well, so be it.......I guess they figure the 1DsMk IV should fix any bad feelings about that.

It'll trounce the 1Ds III in noise at least and overall in IQ I'm sure

why? it uses the same sensor? granted supposed to have some better read electronics, but still without using gapless....

not that it will be bad by any means though!
just after the terrible AF disappointment and the fps sadness would've hoped for newest tech in the sensor especially with all the drama of their moon unveling and all the text

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:24 AM

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p.5 #8 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

It seems reasonable to have a higher FPS when using SRAW. I mean, the 50D is shooting at a faster speed in regards to FPS. So I wouldn't write off the FPS on the camera yet.

I mean, its awfully awkward to give the 50D a higher FPS than the 5D II. Its obvious that its being limited by the large resolution of these files.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:25 AM

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p.5 #9 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

According to the spec on the Canon USA web site, all 9 AF points are cross type.

AlexTokyo wrote:
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Can someone confirm whether the old 5D had cross-type for all points? I thought that the old 5D only had cross-type for the center AF.

Just went over the 5D white paper and Canon's web site. AF are absolutely identical between 5D and MkII, with 9 AF points (not cross type except center one). Only difference is DigicIV vs DigicII.

Such a shame Canon ...

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:27 AM

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p.5 #10 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

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Seems as though the video doesn't provide audio and while I don't see any specs on the video aside from 1920x1080 it apears to be interlaced and not progressive.

Built in mono mic, port for external stereo mic.

Bult-in audio compression that CAN'T BE TURNED OFF! -even when using external mics.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:28 AM

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p.5 #11 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

skibum5 wrote:

maybe a 1dsmk4 is closer than we think

yeah otherwise why would they use the 1dsmkiii sensor in the 5dmkii?

"The newly designed sensor is ultra-sensitive..."

From: http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/01.html#01

Is there a reason you think otherwise?

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p.5 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

aero145 wrote:
How come I’ve seen noone mention or link this stuff. Video examples from the new 5D:

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop01.html

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop02.html

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop03.html

http://www.canon-ci.co.kr/product/smov/pop04.html

well that is pretty cool

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:28 AM

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p.5 #13 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

skibum5 wrote:

why? it uses the same sensor? granted supposed to have some better read electronics, but still without using gapless....

It has digic IV, gapless microlens, lower noise circuits, improved Bayer array, offers ISO 6400 as a native ISO, so I'm guessing it'll be a stop cleaner.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:28 AM

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p.5 #14 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

ocean7 wrote:
Superb!

Where's Ralph? Time to wake up my boy

Good morning

I was late. Woke up at 6:20. did not hear the clock. And my girlfriend felt much better than any (cameras) body ;-)

Needed some time to go through the klast 10 pages.
But now I am with you. And really happy so far:

21, 10, 5MP, ISO 6400

, 14 Bit, 150.000 shutter cycles, exchangeable focussing screens - thats what I asked for. I am happy with it (of course I want to see 3200/6400 images before I am shure). But like I mentioned before, I do not expect they are NOT better than 5Ds or as good or better than 50D). At € 2499 listprice. That will become 2200-2300 street soon (around cristmas

) - so its probably mine! If there will not be a second body, that does not support the not used things at € 1999,- ;-)

I got much more: 98%VF is excellent, Inbody lens correction (for JPEGfiles), improved weather resistant body, high res LCD, optimised AF, micro adjustment, highlight tone priority, and of course a lot of gimmicks I do not need (now) like life view and HD video.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:29 AM

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p.5 #15 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Damn, it sounds like a real shame about some of the features, particularly the AF system (why they can't just take the old AF system from something like the 1D MkIIn, which was great, and throw that in there is beyond me). What I don't understand is why they have made so few changes to the cameras operational/ergonomic features, the improved resolution and sensitivity are great - but I don't recall EVER hearing anyone complain about the original 5D's IQ, it was the camera's other features that people made a fuss over, strange that so little has been done to address those more obvious areas for improvement.

That said, at least no one can attack Canon for being inconsistent - it's sounds like this 5D MkII firmly follows the mantra of the original 5D (i.e. superb IQ, but with some serious ergonomic failings).

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:31 AM

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p.5 #16 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Cableaddict wrote:
prof_fate wrote:
LAPhotoPro.com wrote:
Seems as though the video doesn't provide audio and while I don't see any specs on the video aside from 1920x1080 it apears to be interlaced and not progressive.

Built in mono mic, port for external stereo mic.

Bult-in audio compression that CAN'T BE TURNED OFF! -even when using external mics.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:33 AM

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p.5 #17 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

skibum5 wrote:
Cableaddict wrote:
prof_fate wrote:
LAPhotoPro.com wrote:
Seems as though the video doesn't provide audio and while I don't see any specs on the video aside from 1920x1080 it apears to be interlaced and not progressive.

Built in mono mic, port for external stereo mic.

Bult-in audio compression that CAN'T BE TURNED OFF! -even when using external mics.

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:36 AM

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p.5 #18 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

shirozina wrote:
Total junk camera - overdue, over priced, under spec and no pop-up flash. Why Canon couldn't have made it a 10fps, weather sealed, 30point AF and 39mp for $1500 is a total mystery. I'll probably have to buy one - I guess I could just about tollerate 21mp

+1

I am just amazed. Canon have released a camera which, in their words, offers the best IQ and low noise they have ever produced.
I would have expected that the prospect of unprecedented IQ would have enthused FMers.
But no. Many members dismiss 5DII because it does not offer full weathersealing (only "improved"), unlike D700.
Many comments trash Canon for not offering more than 3.9 fps, and hold it as an example of the company castrating its new model in order not to hurt its more expensive flagship IDsMkIII. Castrating the new model in order not to the hurt the flagship, when 5DII offers better IQ and high ISO?

IMHO, if indeed 5DII offers unprecedented IQ, at that price point, it will be hugely sucessful for those of us who believe that this matters. And for the less savvy (read more susceptible to marketing blurb) buyers, Canon now offer dramatically higher pixel count than Nikon, who are going to have a huge uphill battle on their hands to explain that "more pixels are bad, not good".

I can see a 5DII coming my way. Unprecedented IQ! Makes the rest pale into insignificance. If it is true, of course. Boy, I can't wait to get one of those babies and kick the tires....

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:37 AM

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-and the mpeg4's are at 44.1K, not the industry-standard 48K. That's a VERY strange choice.

This just SCREAMING "consumer audio." -Not even "pro-sumer."

Typical maximum record-time with an empty 4 gig card: Around 12 minutes. No mention of the possibility of using larger cards, which is odd. 4 gig might be the limit, for some reason.

No mention of recording to an external drive.

Feh.

i think 4GB is the FAT limit for file size?

is 12 minutes really that short?
even movies and TV hardly ever shoot continuous takes that long do they?

Yep, your correct with the Gigabyte limitation for FAT. 12 Minutes of 1080p video isn't that bad at all. Seeing as how carrying around your DSLR and it doubling as a HD Video Recorder, I have a feeling we'll be seeing HD videos of bar fights and random guys getting hit in the nuts with wiffleballs!

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Sep 17, 2008 at 06:38 AM

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so it uses over a year old sensor and three year old AF and mirror box and they couldnt release this a year ago?
A sesor that a year ago was thought of as a very large leap and cost $8000 US in a body that, according to some here, should only cost an extra $15 to make...
Really guys - is this how our society ought to go

? DO we really expect the wheel to be reinvented every 6 months? God help us trying to sort out the environmental mess while this kind of consumer mentality exists...

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:38 AM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
skibum5 wrote:

why? it uses the same sensor? granted supposed to have some better read electronics, but still without using gapless....

It has digic IV, gapless microlens, lower noise circuits, improved Bayer array, offers ISO 6400 as a native ISO, so I'm guessing it'll be a stop cleaner.

where do you see gapless listed?

the only semi-official thing i saw so far said NO gapless

if what you say it correct then i stand corrected about my comments about the sensor. The sensor would utterly, totally rock then! do you have a link?

same AF after 3 years would be very sad and crazy, but at least for non-sports it should be quite the camera. And perhaps the info here is not correct either and it will be a bit better.

i don't get why they were like we used 5D af since only other choice was the inferior 40D/50D AF or why if the 5D af is better they didnt put that in the 50D when they have the 1dmkiin modules sitting around....

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:38 AM

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p.5 #22 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Anyone noticed the graphic of the camera with LCD next to the direct print button?

It looks to me that it operates the live view function when not connected to a printer. I hope that is the case because I am bored with the direct print button moaners here and maybe this will shut them up. I usually forget that there is a button on my 5D that I never use.

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Sep 17, 2008 at 06:39 AM

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p.5 #23 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

skibum5 wrote:
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skibum5 wrote:

why? it uses the same sensor? granted supposed to have some better read electronics, but still without using gapless....

It has digic IV, gapless microlens, lower noise circuits, improved Bayer array, offers ISO 6400 as a native ISO, so I'm guessing it'll be a stop cleaner.

where do you see gapless listed?

the only semi-official thing i saw so far said NO gapless

if what you say it correct then i stand corrected about my comments about the sensor. The sensor would utterly, totally rock then! do you have a link?

same AF after 3 years would be very sad and crazy, but at least for non-sports it should be quite the camera. And perhaps the info here is not correct either and it will be a bit better.

i don't get why they were like we used 5D af since only other choice was the inferior 40D/50D AF or why if the 5D af is better they didnt put that in the 50D when they have the 1dmkiin modules sitting around....

I pasted quote from image resource and other sites say same tech as 50D sensor

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:40 AM

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p.5 #24 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread

Justin D wrote:
A sesor that a year ago was thought of as a very large leap and cost $8000 US in a body that, according to some here, should only cost an extra $15 to make...
Really guys - is this how our society ought to go

? DO we really expect the wheel to be reinvented every 6 months? God help us trying to sort out the environmental mess while this kind of consumer mentality exists...

well said

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:41 AM

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the DP button can now be used to control liveview instead of SET (as confirmed on 50D)

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