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p.1 #1 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Should be a great one.

The wedding is in Ojai, CA. About 12 hours + pre-scouting. Starts at 3PM ends at 3AM.

This is a non-shooting position but a good learning opportunity. We'll answer your questions and explain why we do things if time permits.

You'll be helping us with general assistant duties and holding off-camera lights so some knowledge in manual flash preferred.

We're charging you $100 per hour of workshop fee and your pay is $100 per hour.

Experience not essential but professionalism (appearance, approach and attitude) and endurance is a must.

Please email me at ray @ aperturaphoto . com No PM, text messages, etc please.

Thank you!

Jul 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM

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p.1 #2 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Nicely put Ray!

$100 - $100 sounds politically correct

Jul 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM

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p.1 #3 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

We're charging you $100 per hour of workshop fee and your pay is $100 per hour.

lol good game

Jul 19, 2008 at 12:09 AM

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p.1 #4 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

ibredwhitered starts WWVIII

Edited on Jul 19, 2008 at 03:09 AM

Jul 19, 2008 at 03:09 AM

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p.1 #5 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Dangit! I've got nothing to do that weekend and by God Himself, if I didn't have a family, I'd fly in from Missouri!

-tmiller
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Jul 19, 2008 at 04:34 AM

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p.1 #6 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Position filled. Thank you everyone!

Jul 21, 2008 at 09:07 PM

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p.1 #7 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

i'm in norcal...ojai is my hometown...looks like i just missed this one...
i'll try to be a little quicker on the draw.

Jul 21, 2008 at 09:10 PM

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p.1 #8 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Ill be in CO, good luck.

Jul 22, 2008 at 02:36 AM

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p.1 #9 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

lol

Well put Ray.

Jul 22, 2008 at 02:41 AM

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p.1 #10 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Ray Soemarsono wrote:
Should be a great one.

We're charging you $100 per hour of workshop fee and your pay is $100 per hour.

Please email me at ray @ aperturaphoto . com No PM, text messages, etc please.

Thank you!

This is cute, but still not legal nor ethical. When you run a small business you do have certain responsibilities to understand the laws governing workforce. Everyone loves you here and you are an exceptional photographer but you can do better than this.

Jul 22, 2008 at 03:08 AM

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p.1 #11 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

You keep on bring up ethical ? A trainee who wants to learn is expected to be trained for free and be paid also in cash ?

No wonder working pro's shy away from taking on newbies........because of ethics like that......oh well, theres only one loser here, the newbies because they are stuck behind "ethical" issues preventing them from learning.

Jul 22, 2008 at 03:45 AM

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p.1 #12 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

This is not training. It is employment.

Jul 22, 2008 at 03:50 AM

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p.1 #13 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

saturnkk wrote:
This is not training. It is employment.

It is both.

Jul 22, 2008 at 05:28 AM

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p.1 #14 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

saturnkk wrote:
This is not training. It is employment.

Well it's not employment if the newb's don't get the work.....and with people like you trying to enforce your ethical issues, they will NOT be trained...so they can thank people like YOU for their lack of training by professionals......hey, maybe they can go to YOU and you can train and also pay them

Jul 22, 2008 at 05:39 AM

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p.1 #15 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

If you work - you should be paid. The law agrees and is there to protect people from all manner or exploitation. There is no tongue in cheek way around this.

Carrying Ray's bag is working. Ray's soliciting employees to work for free is unfortunate. He should consult an attorney familiar with employment standards in his jurisdiction.

Edited on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Jul 22, 2008 at 10:36 AM

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p.1 #16 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Red's just jealousy ... come on dude, get a life!

PS - Your photography sux ass

Aug 01, 2008 at 03:41 PM

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p.1 #17 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

BrunoCardoso wrote:
PS - Your photography sux ass

while I might not always agree with Red, this was just out of line.

Aug 01, 2008 at 03:52 PM

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p.1 #18 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

Is today Groundhog day ? I swear I saw this exact same arguement last month.

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Aug 01, 2008 at 03:54 PM

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p.1 #19 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

BrunoCardoso wrote:
PS - Your photography

Feel free to share yours.

Edited on Aug 01, 2008 at 03:59 PM

Aug 01, 2008 at 03:58 PM

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p.1 #20 · Tagalong with Apertura August 2, 2008

I'm pretty sure that a couple of free workshops with Ray will be far more useful as training and cost-effective than a few years in university where you'd pay thousands in fees, let alone living costs.

Also, I do not know how it works with you guys in the US, but companies here let university students do training by doing their projects in collaboration with the company. Most companies won't pay you (unless they're pretty sure they want to employ you after graduation), but if you do well they either give you a job in the end or you get a very good reference, which counts for a lot more than 10 references from academics. Is that unethical? Does the company get free labour? Sure it does. Do you get anything out of it? Sure you do.

In fact, thinking about it, the biggest scam is a PhD. You actually pay the University so that they can claim grants and say they do all that research, which you do.

Edited on Aug 01, 2008 at 04:05 PM

Aug 01, 2008 at 04:02 PM

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