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Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

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p.816 #1 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Here's a shot from an impromptu shoot yesterday. I thought the vignetting from the Mk.1 70-200VR might add something nice to the shot, but now I don't think I like it. Maybe the Polarizer contributed as well?

Shooting mid-day was a bummer, but when they say you have 90 minutes to get it done, then they are leaving, you do your best to make some lemonade (yes, taking lessons from those better than I).

I'm hoping for a do-over if they come back to town tonight. (dusk looks MUCH better!)

Mar 09, 2010 at 02:49 PM

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p.816 #2 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

futurshox wrote:
I certainly heard a lot of people commenting on our shirts and wondering (a) what they were all about and (b) where they could get one! I think we were noticed... hopefully that won't be a bad thing, I see ISAP and MA2A as entirely separate entities but ones that should benefit each other.

Anyway... I finally got a chance to get into my computer room (while the cats are sleeping) and look at some photos... here's a few tasters; as I type, I haven't seen many more of these than you guys, so I've no idea what else lurks within my Lightroom catalogue... time will tell.

A deHavilland Dove taking off from Mojave

Hey Jo, love this shot. I am a bit disappointed that you didn't get more prop blur though. Maybe slow your shutter down around 3 seconds or so.

Just kidding. I really like all the elements going on in this photo.

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:05 PM

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p.816 #3 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Bill Gass wrote:
gerov wrote:

So Bill, how good were those burgers

Gero
Stale and..........Ah, never mind, Jim loved em...

Mark McGrath and I had dinner at In'n'Out on Sunday evening and polished off a couple more. I'm going to need to eat salads for a few days after a half dozen In'n'Out Burgers

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:13 PM

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p.816 #4 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

From the race track...

Rob

2008 © RobMoser

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:29 PM

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p.816 #5 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Leo Hursh wrote:
Hey Jo, love this shot. I am a bit disappointed that you didn't get more prop blur though. Maybe slow your shutter down around 3 seconds or so.

Just kidding. I really like all the elements going on in this photo.

Thanks Leo!

You know, I went down to around 1/40th to try and get some blur on those windmills and you _still_ can't see it! And the heat haze makes it hard to see what is going on.

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:36 PM

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p.816 #6 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

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Dang Rodolfo - I wish you wouldn't do that! [...] Case in point so you know what I'm talking about, you said this: "Jon hated Moose's presentation. That's OK. (The frozen props bugged me too, but the guy's specialty is bears and wildlife, so I cut him some slack.) "

Well, that's an easy one... I didn't.

At least, I surely didn't intend to do it.

Thanks for pointing out a specific issue. I was just being "conversational" and referring to a previous comment in order to add a new one. So I used very loose phrasing, with "bored" and "disliked" and "disapproved of" being simplified to "hated" the presentation. I did not intend to distort your statement or change anything about it. Everyone read your comments, which were very clear. All I intended was to agree with you, then add the PW comment. If this had been a verbal conversation, I would have said "Yeah, I didn't like it that much either, but he's a wildlife guy so I'll cut him some slack. But you know what, the PW guy gets the infomercial prize, he was so much worse!" It's just a reference to a prior comment in order to segue into the next.

No offense intended, and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

jbear2000 wrote:
Seems like Dazz may also be getting a taste of it as well.

No. Please do not extrapolate one thing to another, nor make the kind of assumptions you disapprove of others making. I made a very clear and direct comment about the B-1 night departures during our Thursday dinner, and Dazz objected to it. End of story.

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:42 PM

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p.816 #7 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

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Hey! That's one of our F15s from Tyndall AFB! I wonder if the pilot is one of my neighbors - I have 2 who are instructor pilots in the F15 and one who is an F22 instructor pilot.

Richard, if you can find out what tail numbers they fly, I'll check to see if any of my semi-decent shots are of their aircraft.

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:45 PM

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p.816 #8 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Look for the "TY" on the tail. That's the symbol for Tyndall. I not sure how quickly I can come up with all the tail numbers are based there. I do know someone who's dad is the tower chief at Tyndall though...maybe I can request he look through his binoculars and read them off! I'll see what I can do...

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:48 PM

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p.816 #9 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

All this talk about In-N-Out! It's just one of the (very few) things I miss since moving from Los Angeles...

Anyway, I had to dig out a picture of the kids enjoying some cheeseburgers, milkshakes and french fries - animal style (special sauce, grilled onions and melted cheese)...

I assume you all know about the "secret menu"? Here's a link just in case: http://www.badmouth.net/in-n-outs-secret-menu/

Jon C.

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Mar 09, 2010 at 03:49 PM

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p.816 #10 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

waterflyboy22 wrote:
Here's a shot from an impromptu shoot yesterday. I thought the vignetting from the Mk.1 70-200VR might add something nice to the shot, but now I don't think I like it. Maybe the Polarizer contributed as well?

Shooting mid-day was a bummer, but when they say you have 90 minutes to get it done, then they are leaving, you do your best to make some lemonade (yes, taking lessons from those better than I).

When I've used a vignette to emphasize something, I've found that you need to compose and/or crop differently: center the subject more, and get things away from the edges. You need a little space between the subject and the vignette, just as you generally need to set the main subject somewhat away from the edge of the image. So I'd guess that what you're seeing and not liking is the T-tail getting too close to the vignette. Same shot would probably have worked perfectly for you if you'd been 30-40 degrees off the nose instead of 60 degrees... the airplane would have fit better into the center.

That being said, I still think the image came out very well and this is a textbook case of when a polarizer does what you intend. Clear image, good highlights, saturated blues, nothing washed out. Beautiful. And the vignette doesn't bother me, I was just commenting on how it might be improved. I think your images are a lot better than you think! Lemonade indeed.

Mar 09, 2010 at 03:52 PM

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p.816 #11 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Richard, there were quite a few Tyndall F-15's there for Red Flag. I'll dig through and post what I can find.

It'd be a good move to have the F-35 school there at Tyndall, especially since they've been doing that job with the F-15's forever, and like you said, they've definitely got the range space for it!

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:02 PM

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p.816 #12 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

There's been a lot of vocal opposition to the F35 training school over at Eglin in the recent past. Eglin was the first base identified as a training location. To me, Eglin is a test base and already has congested ranges to be competing for training missions to boot. I've always believed that Tyndall would be a better choice. The Military Affirs Board of our local Chamber is all over trying to attract the F35 mission here, which I am totally for as well!

I saw at least one F22 which was from Alaska. I wonder if any from Tyndall went there as well? It's kinda hard sometimes to read the tail information (afterall, they're supposed to be stealthy and all that!!!

)

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:14 PM

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p.816 #13 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

man what a great set of 'red flag' pic's just passed my eyes.
Just love the F-18´s agressors, bones, etc.

swiss Mirage III, taken at the lions meet at Kleine Brogel belgium 2001

Roel.

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Mar 09, 2010 at 04:17 PM

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p.816 #14 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Can I start off with a request? Could you guys PLEASE don't post so many great pictures? Kind of puts extra pressure on the jetlag

Nah, all kidding aside, great shots everyone! It is great to see so many shots from positions where I wasn't (EOR, racetrack, etc) and during times I wasn't there. I've read through all the things about ISAP and let me give my short summary about it.

Were there things that didn't go as planned or the way I would have liked? Absolutely! Did I miss out on things I hoped for? Absolutely! Did I have a great time and would I do it again in a heartbeat? Absolutely!

Sure it was great to pick a salmon/orange ticket and being able to stand in between the runways at Nellis, but for me the most important thing was meeting all those people. It was great meeting all of you after all this time, but also others from far away like Frans Dely but also people from home like Jan-Arie, Marcel and Eric Vorstenbosch. I think that is the best thing about ISAP, the people!

After the banquet on saturday and the drinks afterwards (2.30am......) Roel, Hans (my dad) and me headed off for McCarran for some shots and met up with Mark and a few others. Weather wasn't too good, but we had fun. After returning the rental ladder to Walmart (got to love it

) and the rental car as well we went to check in for our flight to Vancouver on Phillipine Airlines which Jim managed to capture. Vancouver was a blast as well, although the weather wasn't too good. Caught the KLM flight home at 8.25pm last night which brought me home a few hours ago.

For now I just want to thank you all for the great time and I can only say one thing: Bring on AirVenture!!!!!!!!

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:20 PM

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p.816 #15 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Oh, and in case you guys haven't seen it yet, I just came across this amazing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNSEogZ3upY

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:21 PM

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p.816 #16 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Jurgen Radier wrote: After returning the rental ladder to Walmart (got to love it

)

Now that is awesome!! You guys think of everything!

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:29 PM

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p.816 #17 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

futurshox wrote:
Jurgen Radier wrote: After returning the rental ladder to Walmart (got to love it

)

Now that is awesome!! You guys think of everything!
Thanks

. It is really in our nature to be cheap according to the Belgians. There is some rivalry between the Dutch and the Belgians, we make jokes about them being stupid, they make jokes about us being cheap.

Do you know who invented the copperwire according to the Belgians? Two dutchmen pulling on a cent!

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:35 PM

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p.816 #18 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

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Looks like a pair of R straps!

Almost exactly right. It's the BlackRapid Double Strap... essentially a pair of R-straps designed specifically to work together. My first time out with the double rig, and I loved it. Made two pro bodies plus the 200-400 and the 70-200 light work; the only times I had to do some work were getting on and off the bus, since they didn't both fit into my lap.

I think the R strap is the best thing since sliced bread!

Unlike Jon, I was quietly advised re heavy glass....

... I was walking round Girand, Brittany with the 5D2+28~300 L (6lb all up) hung round my neck with the standard Canon strap, when an elderly French lady tapped me in the shoulder and quietly suggested that I shouldn't have the weight of the lens hanging on the bayonet mount. She was quite firm about it. Then she showed me some of her work (we were outside her shop). It turned out that she was quite a reasonably famous professional photographer so I took note of what she said.

When I returned to the UK, I started a thread and asked about the strength or otherwise if the canon mount....I was assured by several folk that it was strong and not to worry. One kind guy pointed me to the R Strap and suggested I investigated it - Within minutes I ordered the RS5. I wouldn't be without it now! The pouches are very useful - I always have a couple of 16Gb cards, visiting cards and most important, the cellpone pouch has my GPS tracker/logger. (I like to geotag my walkabout photos.)

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:40 PM

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p.816 #19 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

pfnskyshots wrote:
There's been a lot of vocal opposition to the F35 training school over at Eglin in the recent past. Eglin was the first base identified as a training location. To me, Eglin is a test base and already has congested ranges to be competing for training missions to boot. I've always believed that Tyndall would be a better choice. The Military Affirs Board of our local Chamber is all over trying to attract the F35 mission here, which I am totally for as well!

I saw at least one F22 which was from Alaska. I wonder if any from Tyndall went there as well? It's kinda hard sometimes to read the tail information (afterall, they're supposed to be stealthy and all that!!!

)

I have F-22's from Elmendorf (I think - AK), Holloman (HO), and Eglin (OT).

Other than the Nellis F-15's, the only others I captured on Friday were from Eglin.

Mark

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:44 PM

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p.816 #20 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Dear Jon,

You are taking that way too seriously/personally. The only difference between you and me is that my head fell foward when I dozed a dozen times

I guess I was in the dark so it was tougher for someone to get a shot and Dazz wasn't there to ratchet his ISO up to 18 million and make it look like daylight

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:47 PM

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p.816 #21 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

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Dear Friends,

Currently at FL 310 and forced to capture God's beautiful creation with my iPhone because the flight is crammed full and I can't get to the good stuff. Hope all of you are home safe and sound and getting used to your own pillows again

I know I'm looking forward to spending the day with Sheila tomorrow and catching up on Grandchildren smootches as soon as they get out of school.

Here's a little something from up here where the Angels hang out. It' no secret to me why God put His Heaven "Up"

Okay, so I've followed all 800+ pages of this thread and have actually posted an image or two. But to see an *iPhone* image like this makes me pause in the face of great talent. That makes every "good" photo I've made seem like just a snapshot. WOW, JUST WOW!

Dear Don,

You're very kind. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

I'm not trying to butt in, just my .02¢.

John Q. Adams said, “If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.”

Mr. Wilson, you are most definitely a leader...

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:49 PM

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p.816 #22 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

I wish I could have made this one. It looks like you all had good weather and some very good subjects to shoot and it looks like you guys grabbed some great images.

Here is a shot from a previous Red Flag...Enjoy.

Mar 09, 2010 at 04:56 PM

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p.816 #23 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

I'm going off-line to have a good sulk!

1) I wasn't at ISAP
2) I don't have a 400 or 500
3) Never heard of In-N-Out
4) Haven't got anything the even compares with those photos....

Still, I will try and remain positive about things...

...I am positively jealous!

Mar 09, 2010 at 05:02 PM

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p.816 #24 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

Love the positive attitude, Donald! Attaboy.

We'll try and get a few of us over to your side of the pond next time. But one way or another, we'll make the chance to shoot together and then toast the Mustangs and Merlins with a pint. Or two. Or something.

Mar 09, 2010 at 05:21 PM

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p.816 #25 · Mustang Air to Air " The Sequel"

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Dear Jon,

You are taking that way too seriously/personally. The only difference between you and me is that my head fell foward when I dozed a dozen times

I guess I was in the dark so it was tougher for someone to get a shot and Dazz wasn't there to ratchet his ISO up to 18 million and make it look like daylight

No one here has anything but respect for you, me most of all. I didn't even think of the snoring issue (you didn't) but I hope I didn't startle Jo in any of my "Churchill" naps. They had nothing to do with being bored, I just have this thing where I run so hard so much of the time, when I finally stop I'm out.... annoys the heck out of Sheila.

If you saw me at the banquet - you know exactly how seriously i took it. I was chimping the camera while i walked into the room and saw the images. I realized immediately it was all in good form and very funny. I still do. That hasn't changed and if you saw me joke about it Saturday night - you'ld understand there is nothing serious or upsetting about it. Who knows, had I been awake and someone else sleeping - I may have joined in the fun.
Did my comments come across as me really being upset? Or were they read with a certain set of glasses that just made them come out that way? I don't know.

I DO know - that the larger issue is what I was writing about. Rodolfo denies it - but the track record looms in the background like an unmistakable billboard on the proverbial highway.

Words have meaning. Our culture likes to pour whatever meaning they wish into a word so they influence the reader's conclusions about the topic. When Rodolfo substituted the word "hate" for the word "bored" - I believe, based on past experience - he did so not out of expedience - but out of a predisposition to do so. To be a hater or be pictured as a hater is a much worse description than just being tired or bored. As long as Rodolfo can continue to describe with the coloring of words he chooses to use, the person being described suffers. In this case its me. I'm sure if it were anyone else, they wouldn't like being characterized as a hater. Yet it seems everyone wishes to give Rodolfo a pass based on a denial of the facts. As the old saying goes - "its easier to ask forgiveness than permission". In this case - write something snarky and then write it off to well meaning expedience. Only question - after over two years of this repeated attitude and action - who is getting the raw end of the deal? When does it stop? Who but the one being attacked stands up to this kind of BS?
Expedience at the expense of another is arrogant rudeness. I wouldn't think of treating anyone like that. But for me to say something about it - and all of a sudden I'm the one overreacting.
Words have meanings, Rodolfo is a very smart individual, he chooses his words with precise calculation. There are no mistakes - in intent or interpretation.

Now - as far as I'm concerned - lets move on. Enough of this!

Mar 09, 2010 at 05:37 PM


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