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which lens has the most 3D POP?

  
 
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p.34 #1 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
Since there's lock down going on in my country and most of the time staying at home stating at my computer screen, I might as well spend more time on reading a lot about cameras. Here are my finding recent findings and that made me look at images quite differently ever since.

Firstly, nothing has changed from my previous opinions on what makes an image pop - the shadows and gradations of the subject, which means lightings, and to a certain degree, composition technique based on framing the subject according to the lighting.

But there's one aspect that isn't easily judged, well
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To support my posts above, here are few shots taken with RX1R back in 2013:








Apr 05, 2020 at 09:32 AM
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p.34 #2 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


KarmaKramer wrote:
Exactly. Its not about the tools.



In fact it is about the tools. Very much so. The right tools and technique will deliver the desired look.



Apr 05, 2020 at 10:15 AM
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p.34 #3 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


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Thorsten can save a bunch by using his phone, too!


For the record, No where did Thorsten say gear is not an important tool to create photography. One person, KarmaKramer on this thread posted that comment, not Thorsten.



Apr 05, 2020 at 10:27 AM
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p.34 #4 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


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For the record, No where did Thorsten say gear is not an important tool to create photography. One person, KarmaKramer on this thread posted that comment, not Thorsten.

I was being sarcastic too, ya know. 😉

When I saw many "it's not the tools, it's the photographer" remarks, I'll just roll my eyes and tell them to use their smartphone to make great images. 🤷🏻‍♂️



Apr 05, 2020 at 10:33 AM
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p.34 #5 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
I was being sarcastic too, ya know. 😉

When I saw many "it's not the tools, it's the photographer" remarks, I'll just roll my eyes and tell them to use their smartphone to make great images. 🤷🏻‍♂️


No worries. Just wanted to make sure the Thorsten comment I posted was not misconstrued. Back to having some fun with this topic!



Apr 05, 2020 at 10:43 AM
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p.34 #6 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Thats a rather ridiculous question that has no real answer


Apr 05, 2020 at 12:20 PM
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p.34 #7 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Another example of the 3D pop of the Contax-Zeiss 28-85mm f3.3-4.0.
(ca. 60mm, wide open.)







Apr 19, 2020 at 03:57 AM
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p.34 #8 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


IMHO, the Mamiya 645 Sekor C 55mm f2.8 N has also this "walk into the picture" property when it is used at the intended format (56mm x 42mm), even at f11.

Field of View by Olaf Gnau, auf Flickr



Apr 19, 2020 at 11:27 AM
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p.34 #9 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


How about something different?




Apr 19, 2020 at 10:27 PM
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p.34 #10 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Too much lockdown?


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p.34 #11 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


hasenbein wrote:
Too much lockdown?


How do you make it less?



Apr 20, 2020 at 12:22 AM
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p.34 #12 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


"Poland"

Edit: I forgot to mention this 2/35 RX1 original.




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Apr 23, 2020 at 12:51 PM
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p.34 #13 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
Since there's lock down going on in my country and most of the time staying at home stating at my computer screen, I might as well spend more time on reading a lot about cameras. Here are my finding recent findings and that made me look at images quite differently ever since.

Firstly, nothing has changed from my previous opinions on what makes an image pop - the shadows and gradations of the subject, which means lightings, and to a certain degree, composition technique based on framing the subject according to the lighting.

But there's one aspect that isn't easily judged, well
...Show more

Hmm. I'm not sure my GFX 100 agrees. Side by side with multiple cameras from Sony to Canon and Nikon, most people who've looked at the images coming out of the 100 are astounded at just how much SOOC contrast and saturation the sensor is pushing out. Nevermind the already proven DR, the GFX delivers in what many feel are like older cameras that you've mentioned.
I'm sure it won't matter much, but have you shot with the 100? Also, which lenses did you use in your findings? Curious to see why you've arrived at such an unfavorable conclusion when it comes to the GFX sensor/camera. Thanks!



Apr 23, 2020 at 01:41 PM
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daniel.in.la wrote:
Hmm. I'm not sure my GFX 100 agrees. Side by side with multiple cameras from Sony to Canon and Nikon, most people who've looked at the images coming out of the 100 are astounded at just how much SOOC contrast and saturation the sensor is pushing out. Nevermind the already proven DR, the GFX delivers in what many feel are like older cameras that you've mentioned.
I'm sure it won't matter much, but have you shot with the 100? Also, which lenses did you use in your findings? Curious to see why you've arrived at such an unfavorable conclusion when
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Funny that you brought up about the GFX 100, which I did not mention in my post. I have not shot with the 100, but since we are at it, I'm going to say it - yes, I'm seeing the same sterile rendering out of even the 100 judging from samples I've seen. The culprit? It's the lenses (at least the one and only I have, which is the GF45mm).

Mind you, I used my cameras for travels, and shoot some portraits once in a blue moon for friends. I don't shoot with flash (admittedly GFX seems to shine with strobes ). And lastly, sterile rendering doesn't mean it's bad, at least not objectively.

Out of quite a few lenses I've seen, it seems the 110 is one of the most beautiful rendering lens without that sterile look, hence everybody love it. It's sadly not the focal length I'm aftering and no way I'm going to lug that thing around when I'm out and about whole day. I admire the output from the GF45 when I zoom in and pixel peep, and the fact that I can crop in and only take 30% of the photo that still looked sharp and nice. But ultimately, when I view them in full, the overall "look" while detailed, didn't quite move me emotionally.

Lastly, the abstract'ish picture posted above was taken with my 50R, but with an adapted lens. I love it more much more than the native 45mm lens, for sure. GFX sensors are great, no doubt about it. Pair with a lens that suits me well is just pure joy.

PS: By the way, if you check out this thread or search my profile of the past posts, I DID praise the GFX before and I still standby my statements I made earlier. As I said, sterile doesn't mean bad. I just wish they have more character, less clinical.



Apr 24, 2020 at 06:30 AM
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p.34 #15 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


I think the 35 1.4 Summilux FLE can have a 3D quality on occasion. The print of this surely shows it better than a compressed small JPG on a website.
Leica M 10 and Leica 35mm 1.4 Summilux FLE asph





Apr 24, 2020 at 04:30 PM
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p.34 #16 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


jeffersoncasey wrote:
Funny that you brought up about the GFX 100, which I did not mention in my post. I have not shot with the 100, but since we are at it, I'm going to say it - yes, I'm seeing the same sterile rendering out of even the 100 judging from samples I've seen. The culprit? It's the lenses (at least the one and only I have, which is the GF45mm).

Mind you, I used my cameras for travels, and shoot some portraits once in a blue moon for friends. I don't shoot with flash (admittedly GFX seems to shine with
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I get your perspective. I’ve had better luck I guess in my to time so far with the GF glass and my 100.

On another note, the highly anticipated 80mm F/1.7 sounds like a monster and very promising. Hoping they move up the timeline for release on that lens as I will try to get in line early for release. I’m sure you’ll hit a few nice snaps if you end up with it. It’s right in the ballpark of the focal length I’m looking to fill between my 63 and 110. Can’t wait!



Apr 24, 2020 at 04:55 PM
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p.34 #17 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


daniel.in.la wrote:
I get your perspective. I’ve had better luck I guess in my to time so far with the GF glass and my 100.

On another note, the highly anticipated 80mm F/1.7 sounds like a monster and very promising. Hoping they move up the timeline for release on that lens as I will try to get in line early for release. I’m sure you’ll hit a few nice snaps if you end up with it. It’s right in the ballpark of the focal length I’m looking to fill between my 63 and 110. Can’t wait!


The more I shoot with GFX the more I felt about the GF lenses - they're perfectly matched "tools" for the GFX. Lenses are well corrected and exhibit very uniform performance across the frame. But such well corrected lenses tend to look sterile and "too perfect". Even Leica users would say the same about their legendary 50mm Summicron APO. They have to do so as medium format targeted customers are usually pros and need to shoot fashion and product so clients get few different frames out of 1 shot. Lenses with too much characters will make such task difficult.

My eyes preferred characters and didn't care for less than perfect corners and field curvature. So naturally, GF lenses isn't for me. But that being said, I'll probably get a 110 someday...That's a heck of a beautiful lens! Hopefully the 80 will have the similar character like the 110.



Apr 25, 2020 at 03:12 AM
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p.34 #18 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Another 3D pop - this time from the Contax-Zeiss 35-70 f3.4.








May 18, 2020 at 10:01 AM
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p.34 #19 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


3D and POP are completly seperate photographic concepts.

POP is achieved through shallow depth of field for subject isolation.

3D means three dimensional so we have width, height and the most important ingrediant DEPTH.

POP has no tangable depth so is not 3D.

Lenses with great depth have a feeling that there is space or air arounf all the objects in the picture,











May 18, 2020 at 05:41 PM
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p.34 #20 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


85mm GM .. Sunset Lighting, fast telephoto lens gives a great deal of foreground/subject separation, but the focal length, straight on shot and the lighting flatten the subject.. Daughter excited that she was being trained by her soccer club alumnus that we last saw playing for Thailand when we were in France for the World Cup.







A9 85mm GM Zoom Training




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