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p.12 #1 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


Stabilizer could be something pretty easy like

"Active, Tripod, Normal" or "Auto, Vertical or Vertical Panning"

"Active" in Nikon land is if you're using the lens on an actively moving platform, like a helicopter, so perhaps Canon has used the same thing, seeing as this would be a great Safari lens.


Edit - ^ Bah nevermind, beaten.


This brings up the question though - would the IS be quick enough to actually activate in time between shutter depress and exposure? That seems awefully quick.

I haven't shot Canon in quite a while, so another question - does IS activate when you use AF-ON for focus?

For Nikon you have to half-press the shutter to activate VR, even if you don't use shutter for anything but exposure

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Feb 07, 2011 at 05:12 PM
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p.12 #2 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


Good ole' times with chat speed posts and sticky threads



Feb 07, 2011 at 05:16 PM
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p.12 #3 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


Guys, this is exactly the lens I wanted before I switched over to Nikon 2 years ago. With the built-in 1.4x TC, and better video from the Canon camp, I am likely going to move back to Canon when this lens starts to ship. It's a great day!

Andy



Feb 07, 2011 at 05:17 PM
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p.12 #4 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


What I'm most interested in is how much better the lens will perform with the built in TC. I'm assuming the additional element(s) were designed in congruence with the rest of the lens design--in theory this should provide optimal performance both optically and possibly in terms of AF speed.


Feb 07, 2011 at 05:19 PM
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p.12 #5 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


yes, I find it interesting that the 1.4 element(s) aren't at the end of the lens, but rather near the end instead.

Maybe they just had a lot of extra room in the barrel that was necessary due to the zoom, and decided to jam some more stuff in? Or maybe they couldn't get the optical formula to work good enough with a 1.4x on the end of the lens, as with traditional use of that piece?



Feb 07, 2011 at 05:28 PM
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p.12 #6 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


BUT...how will it perform with a 2x then?


Feb 07, 2011 at 05:29 PM
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p.12 #7 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


cputeq wrote:
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This brings up the question though - would the IS be quick enough to actually activate in time between shutter depress and exposure? That seems awefully quick.

I haven't shot Canon in quite a while, so another question - does IS activate when you use AF-ON for focus?

For Nikon you have to half-press the shutter to activate VR, even if you don't use shutter for anything but exposure

In mode 3 the IS must be constantly measuring and calculating the needed correction, so when the shutter is pressed the IS elements can be "spun up" very fast.

With older IS modes, AF-on does activate IS, and so does a half-press of the shutter (even when custom functions are set to remove AF from shutter button).



Feb 07, 2011 at 05:32 PM
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Nowhere Man wrote:
From the CANON website...

3-mode IS

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Because image stabilization technology in super telephoto lenses may inadvertently over-compensate and interfere with composing and framing distant or moving subjects, the EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM includes an advanced third Image Stabilization mode (Mode 3) that activates IS only when the shutter button is fully pressed. This allows users to pan fast-moving subjects and then activate IS only when it is precisely required. Additionally, all three IS modes give the equivalent effect of a shutter speed four stops faster, ideally positioning the Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM for professional action photography,
...Show more

Yep. Good reading in http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=3508

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Feb 07, 2011 at 05:34 PM
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Nowhere Man wrote:
BUT...how will it perform with a 2x then?


Well, if used with the built-in 1.4x engaged you'll most likely loose AF, even on a 1-series. With it switched out of the way I'd think it would work like any other f/4 lens, AF with center point only on a 1-series body. We'll see.



Feb 07, 2011 at 05:34 PM
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It will also be interesting to see how it does with the built-in 1.4x and an added 1.4x. That would maintain center point AF on a 1 series. Quality versus a 2x What am I doing, wondering about this when the lens itself will be beyond my means or justifiable usage?


Feb 07, 2011 at 05:38 PM
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I bet RRS, Wimberley, et all are working on a new replacement foot. Why can't Canon supply a dove-tail-style foot on their new super teles?


Feb 07, 2011 at 06:10 PM
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Andy Biggs wrote:
Guys, this is exactly the lens I wanted before I switched over to Nikon 2 years ago. With the built-in 1.4x TC, and better video from the Canon camp, I am likely going to move back to Canon when this lens starts to ship. It's a great day!

Andy


Andy, listening to you talk about the 200-400 on your blog and checking out your shots, I've been eagerly awaiting the day Canon released its version of this lens as well!



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:13 PM
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Photon wrote:
It will also be interesting to see how it does with the built-in 1.4x and an added 1.4x. That would maintain center point AF on a 1 series. Quality versus a 2x What am I doing, wondering about this when the lens itself will be beyond my means or justifiable usage?


It's called day-dreaming. It's O.K. It's something we all do when faced with objects of desire. I have a certain female colleague that sometimes we work together. Whenever we do I immediately go into day-dreaming mode, desperately trying to obscure this. Never happened to me with inanimate objects though.....

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:14 PM
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Ok, here is my take on it as someone who shoots a fair amount of pro level sports, which means, indoor or at night in generally well illuminated stadiums, as well as outdoors during the day. A lot of what I do is football.

I love using the 600 f/4 when possible to get farther downfield by shooting from the end zone, but when action is nearer than the 50 yard line, it can quickly be too close. As a result, I'll shoot with a second body and a 300 f/4, which is a lens in dire needs of updating. On a third body I will shoot with a 70-200 f/4.

For most indoor stadiums, night games, or when I can only travel with one big lens, I'll use the 400 2.8 and a second body with the 70-200 f/4. The problem with the 400 on an APS-H body is that it is often too tight from the sideline when shooting near the line of scrimmage, such as the QB dropping back or a RB sweeping towards you. And 200 is too loose.

Since the Mark IV and its higher pixel density, I stopped using the 1.4x TC and just crop instead. One loses a lot of time swapping in/out the TC.

On the Mark IV I can see the new 200-400 become the new standard sports lens, IF it exhibits prime-like quality at 400mm and close enough to the 1999 600 f/4 IS quality with the TC engaged. Canon's recent excellent zooms, such as the 70-200 f/4L IS, the f/2.8 Mark II and the new 70-300 lead me to believe they can do it.

It would replace my 300 f/4, 400 2.8 and 600 f/4 and the hassle of switching bodies on the fly and potentially missing shots. It would allow me to travel much lighter and simplify my kit tremendously. I know 560 f/5.6 will not be an issue at day games, other than possibly slower AF, but we'll see.

Where I think the 200-400 will really take off will be once the Mark V hits the market. If the V is able to improve high ISO performance over the IV by 1-1.5 stops, there will be much less need to shoot f/2.8 at indoor venues. From my experience, I can already do that with the Mark III and IV in many locations.

The exception will of course be many smaller college, high school and community fields, but the 200-400 is a compromise solution, just as any lens is.

The 200-400 is a viable solution to both the APS-H sensor remaining in continuation, or, the adoption of a high fps full frame body. One negative for those of us shooting APS-H and going to FF is the need for longer lenses. If a future high fps FF body also maintains high pixel density, and coupled with the 200-400, will be an excellent combination.

My guess at price: around $8000 US.

When I first saw the announcement I kind of brushed it off, but after thinking about it, based on what I wrote above, I think I will consider the purchase based on three factors:

Proven image quality - that it can replace primes.
Price (if it's over $10K I will probably reconsider because it wouldn't be an even trade for my 600 & 400 combined).
Whether or not there is an NFL strike/lockout during the upcoming season.

Ron



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:24 PM
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p.12 #15 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


Wow, I don't know what else to say. I could almost change from the dark side just for this lens. This one lens with the converter could cover 90% of what I do.
I will be watching with great interest as the lens gets out and is run through the wringer to see the IQ.
If the lens is under $8,000 I could almost sell enough of my gear to make the lens within my reach. It helps that the wife has been complaing about the manual focus 500mm we have. Manual focusing on any thing moving is tough.



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:26 PM
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p.12 #16 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


Does this lens extend like the 100-400L? And what's that Focus Preset button with the "speaker" switch?

If Canon is smart, they'd want to price this lens competitively against the Nikon version to tempt some of the Nikon shooters into the Canon camp, but not too low and hurt their f/4 superteles sale.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well you won't be able to use this TC on any other lens, so you'll still need an external TC if you want more reach on any other lens.

I think it's brilliant idea and would love to have seen it in the prime superteles. Being able to switch your TC on or off with essentially no down time in shooting (and not having to expose the sensor) is excellent.


Yes but on the other hand, you do pay premium for that, an extra $500 for every lens? Like I said, not everyone will like the idea depending on their shooting needs.

I do think it works this time making the lens an all-in-one supertele solution.

dolina wrote:
You are dreaming. The current 1999 500mm IS & 600mm IS are $6,700 & $8,800 respectively.

I think a TC specific to a focal length will produce better IQ and AF response than a generic TC for all.


Since Canon usually sell their products at double the price everywhere else outside the USA, I just took that UK figure you posted and halved it.



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:31 PM
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p.12 #17 · Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS announced


It's an interesting notion that Canon would release such a versatile product that could potentially kill a very large portion of their big glass market...namely 200, 300, 400, 500, and 600. Am I missing something here or did the price of the above pieces just become affordable for us non-owners in the used marketplace ?


Feb 07, 2011 at 06:32 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
The new 400/2.8 is amazingly lighter. Of xcourse it is wider, but may not be so massive by comparison.

EBH

EBH


You really think a 400 2.8 would weigh much less than a 200-400 f/4?



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:33 PM
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alexisgc33 wrote:
it will be interesting to see how sells of this lens will do considering newspapers and magazines don't have large amounts of money to spare at the moment. Even shooters from AP don't shoot w/ the latest & greatest. With many papers/companies already having 400mm lenses, some even still using the original 400mm 2.8L MK1, I wonder how many will invest in this lens with the cost being 7-9k.


This is a very interesting question indeed. I'm certain Canon is looking beyond traditional pro photography markets at areas such as HD video. They're certainly tapping into a huge high-end amateur market that has exploded with DSLRs that is rising as the pro market dwindles. A market they gained considerable hold of due to their past favourable prices compared to Nikon. IMO this is not a coincidence, but an indication of how the pro market has been affected by very skilled and dedicated photographers with full time jobs in other fields.

Ron



Feb 07, 2011 at 06:41 PM
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interesting how that guy's post has apparently soared right over the head of about 95% of the posters here

big country wrote:
why would this lens affect your decision to switch to nikon? do you need this lens to photograph chairs and park benches?







Feb 07, 2011 at 06:50 PM
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