StarNut wrote:
If I were hiring a photographer to shoot my daughter's wedding, I would want to know if he's carrying a gun at the wedding. I would be entitled to know that, and you should volunteer that information.
digitalbug30d responded:
under no obligation to do so...you are hiring me for my photography skills not my range skills....
Not a legal obligation; an ethical one, IMO. I am hiring you for a particular task, having nothing to do with firearms. However you feel about guns, and whatever reason you may have for packing, I am quite certain that the vast majority of people (and fathers of brides) at a wedding would be very unhappy to hear that the photographer had a gun.
If the father of the bride asked if you would be carrying a gun, would you answer truthfully? Do you really think that concealing your status as carrying a gun from the person paying you is reasonable? Why do you want to keep that fact from the person hiring you?
This is, to any reasonable person, a material fact that should be disclosed to a person hiring you. For any task. The only reason you wouldn't volunteer the information is that you know that most fathers of brides would not hire you if you insisted on bringing a gun, and yet you think it's reasonable to hide that fact?
StarNut wrote:
Not a legal obligation; an ethical one, IMO. I am hiring you for a particular task, having nothing to do with firearms. However you feel about guns, and whatever reason you may have for packing, I am quite certain that the vast majority of people at a wedding would be very unhappy to hear that the photographer had a gun.
You asked....
If I were hiring a photographer
1. Its not my buisiness to know
2. I dont care
if said photographer had CCW and like I said before
the IDEA of concealed?....class ....class
is not KNOWING get it...
still want an answer to this..".What part of concealed doesnt anyone understand?" seriously is this a common question"will you be armed while taking pictures" wow paranoia tinfoil hat time...
It's not the concealed part that worries me. It's the "when it becomes time to unconceal" part that worries me.
How do you make that judgment? You whip it out and get into a firefight with your clients standing nearby? You all of a sudden say and do stupid things because you know you can just blow their heads off instead of walking away?
What about religion, would that need to be divulged as well? You have freedom of religion and a right to bear arms, what makes you want to know whether a person is enjoying one freedom or right over another? How about a pocket knife? Leatherman? Mace/Pepper Spray? What if the photographer is an 85lb female, would you be upset if she didn't tell you?
Please don't automatically associate being reasonable with having to disclose the firearm, you're calling everyone who disagrees with you unreasonable. One could easily argue it's unreasonable to have to tell people you're exercising a constitutional right. If you walked around telling everyone you have a right to free speech all day, they'd hate you. It's only because of a programmed fear do people feel different about weapons. People can kill you with a car just as quickly/easily/spontaneously, yet they're not required to tell you they brought a car to the wedding. BTW, I'm assuming no laws are being broken by carrying into a wedding, otherwise it should obviously not be done.
Inku Yo wrote:
It's not the concealed part that worries me. It's the "when it becomes time to unconceal" part that worries me.
How do you make that judgment? You whip it out and get into a firefight with your clients standing nearby? You all of a sudden say and do stupid things because you know you can just blow their heads off instead of walking away?
It's a legitimate concern and there is no answer, you'll just have to put a bit of faith in your fellow man, just like you do on the freeway every...single...day.
StarNut wrote:
Not a legal obligation; an ethical one, IMO. I am hiring you for a particular task, having nothing to do with firearms. However you feel about guns, and whatever reason you may have for packing, I am quite certain that the vast majority of people at a wedding would be very unhappy to hear that the photographer had a gun.
You asked....
digitalbug30d wrote:
If I were hiring a photographer
1. Its not my buisiness to know
2. I dont care
if said photographer had CCW and like I said before
the IDEA of concealed?....class ....class
is not KNOWING get it...
Of course it's my business to know if someone's bringing a gun to my party. You don't have a constitutional right to bring a gun to my private party if I don't want you to.
Again, I ask: (i) why would you not volunteer the information, when you know very well that most people hiring you would want to know, if it ever occurred to them that a photographer (or anyone else) would be bringing a gun to their party, and (ii) would you lie about it if asked directly?
corndog wrote:
It's a legitimate concern and there is no answer, you'll just have to put a bit of faith in your fellow man, just like you do on the freeway every...single...day.
Sure, but if you do whip it out and bust a cap in someone's ass, you can pretty much kiss your photography business good bye. There's never going to be a clear cut answer - should the photographer have popped the guy or should he just have given up his gear and walked. What was he doing in the middle of South Central at midnight with his "clients" anyway?
corndog wrote:
What about religion, would that need to be divulged as well? You have freedom of religion and a right to bear arms, what makes you want to know whether a person is enjoying one freedom or right over another
Surely you jest!
What your religious beliefs are aren't my concern at my daughter's wedding, so long as you keep it to yourself. Would you feel as free at a wedding you're working to proselytize some other religion as you seem to feel to pull out a gun at a wedding you're shooting, if provoked?
Whatever your feelings about the second amendment, nobody can legitimately claim that guns aren't dangerous. Undeniably, many/most people wouldn't want you to bring a gun to their wedding; why do you think it's reasonable to do something that would make many, and possibly most, of your clients uncomfortable if they knew your plans, without telling them of this plan? It IS their business, as anything significantly out of the ordinary that anyone plans for this special party is their business, and moreso since they're hiring you.
Inku Yo wrote:
Sure, but if you do whip it out and bust a cap in someone's ass, you can pretty much kiss your photography business good bye. There's never going to be a clear cut answer - should the photographer have popped the guy or should he just have given up his gear and walked. What was he doing in the middle of South Central at midnight with his "clients" anyway?
I just don't think it's a good move.
Not taking sides here, but pointing something out:
In most states, defense of personal property in a public place is NOT grounds for the use of lethal force in self defense. The ONLY acceptable reason for use of deadly force in many states is when one is directly and immediately threatened with deadly force. This varies from state to state, and also depends on where you are located. Point being, you cannot simply shoot someone for attempting to steal your camera gear. You can only shoot someone who is threatening you with deadly force.
If I could guarantee to myself, that it would not print whatsoever, yes...without a second thought. Why? Because I can. I don't know who's on the guest list, who they are, if they drink to a violent stupor, etc...
I also wear a seat belt and have airbags, in case of an accident. Like the saying goes, if guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'donnell fat.
It has nothing to do with being someone who wants to bring a firearm. They don't go off if properly held in a secure holster. I also carry a pocket knife wherever I go...more than my glock. Does anyone freak out because they CAN SEE I'm carrying a knife...no way!
Better safe than sorry. My wife counts on me to come home in one piece. While I'm gone, she has her 9mm in case the SHTF.
im a bigger guy (270-280 and tons of muscle) have a boxing background and used to play football. SO I dont carry because I dont need it. I think a D3 with a 28-70 or 70-200 attached is a weapon enough.
Matt Lomeli wrote:
Before this gets locked...hey, it might...
If I could guarantee to myself, that it would not print whatsoever, yes...without a second thought. Why? Because I can. I don't know who's on the guest list, who they are, if they drink to a violent stupor, etc...
I also wear a seat belt and have airbags, in case of an accident. Like the saying goes, if guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'donnell fat.
It has nothing to do with being someone who wants to bring a firearm. They don't go off if properly held in a secure holster. I also carry a pocket knife wherever I go...more than my glock. Does anyone freak out because they CAN SEE I'm carrying a knife...no way!
Better safe than sorry. My wife counts on me to come home in one piece. While I'm gone, she has her 9mm in case the SHTF.
I can respect the fact that you don't think it's a good idea, but know that it's because you are imagining the worst possible scenario, there can also be some pretty great outcomes too. Odds are probably 999,999 out of 1,000,000 there is no notable outcome because nothing happened. If these numbers are right, there's about 60 million cars and 40k auto deaths annually, versus 300 million guns versus 30k gun deaths annually, it may be more logical to be afraid of driving.
paparazzinick wrote:
do you live in the ghetto that your wife needs a 9 waiting for you to come home?
Lol, no. But, she knows how to defend herself and our daughter if needed. We don't live in the ghetto and still had our car stolen from our driveway. Has nothing to do with where you live. Bad people who have no concern of the law don't always stay in the "ghetto".
