Slowcaptain wrote:
Slightly off topic from great images being submitted.
Anyone here using vintage on D7500? For reasons unknown, Nikon thought it was wise to remove support for vintage lenses from D7500. You can still take pictures but no metering and EXIF. Do you guys use external light meter or just go with the instinct and a little trial and error?
The reason I am looking at D7500 is because it's been almost 1 month since I sold my chunky D7200 and have started missing it. To fill that void D7500 seemed like a logical replacement and don't want to get D7200 again. My other body is Z 6 and extra reach of D7500 with telephoto lenses is very enticing....Show more →
I would decode 'reasons unknown' == 'cost cutting'
My first foray into MF lenses was a 135/2.8 for use on a D80. Little did I realise where that snap purchase would lead me.....
No metering made it a chore. It helped hone aperture/exposure skills however the 135 sat on the shelf for a long time until I got a D610 and then my exploration into MF lenses really opened up due to:
1. the much nicer (for me) user experience.
2. the raft of encouragement from the wonderful group of people on this forum.
The no metering issue with MF lenses on the the D80 was compounded after I converted it to IR (focus shift to consider too). A D7100 purchase was made in order to convert it to IR and overcome the things that irritated me.
I also moved the sensor plane to account for most of the focus shift. Happy days.
With the D80 I missed a lot of MF 'grab' shots due to focus shifts in IR and metering in both the IR and the visible spectrum.
If you are deliberate and have time then you will make the D7500 work with MF glass. I'd rather let the camera do the leg work for me.
DeltaSigma wrote:
I would decode 'reasons unknown' == 'cost cutting'
My first foray into MF lenses was a 135/2.8 for use on a D80. Little did I realise where that snap purchase would lead me.....
No metering made it a chore. It helped hone aperture/exposure skills however the 135 sat on the shelf for a long time until I got a D610 and then my exploration into MF lenses really opened up due to:
1. the much nicer (for me) user experience.
2. the raft of encouragement from the wonderful group of people on this forum.
The no metering issue with MF lenses on the the D80 was compounded after I converted it to IR (focus shift to consider too). A D7100 purchase was made in order to convert it to IR and overcome the things that irritated me.
I also moved the sensor plane to account for most of the focus shift. Happy days.
With the D80 I missed a lot of MF 'grab' shots due to focus shifts in IR and metering in both the IR and the visible spectrum.
If you are deliberate and have time then you will make the D7500 work with MF glass. I'd rather let the camera do the leg work for me.
Hmm. Reading your experience I am thinking if D7200 is _still_ a better choice than D7500! I have assortment of MF lenses and while Z 6 does make the experience better with focus peaking, I wish FTZ allowed exif recording, that is one thing I miss from D7200 days. I am guessing MF lenses on D7500 would be worse than on Z 6.
As for omitting that support, I wonder would it be cost cutting alone? The way I look at it is, pretty much every other camera preceding it and the ones above it (D500) support that, so Nikon didn't have to proactively develop something new, test it and then provide support for that piece of hardware/software since it is already there in parts bin. It would have been pretty much lift and shift from D7200..its baffling :S
I also first used a manual Nikon lens on the D3100. Like already stated, DX cameras that don't allow for metering with manual lenses makes it hard to use. I got a D300 later on and that was a bit better (metering and bigger viewfinder), but the D600 which I currently use is much better.
I wonder if Nikon or a 3rd-party manufacturer will fill the gap left by the FTZ for AI/AI-S/screwdrive lenses...that would be nice.
In the meanwhile, I'll keep shooting with my D600.
55mm f/1.2 AI wide open 80's Hypercar by Noah L., on Flickr
NNL. wrote:
I also first used a manual Nikon lens on the D3100. Like already stated, DX cameras that don't allow for metering with manual lenses makes it hard to use. I got a D300 later on and that was a bit better (metering and bigger viewfinder), but the D600 which I currently use is much better.
I wonder if Nikon or a 3rd-party manufacturer will fill the gap left by the FTZ for AI/AI-S/screwdrive lenses...that would be nice.
This looks nice! Dreamy, glow-y rendering.
Yup! I so wish there is next generation of FTZ or third party adapter that enables screw-type AF on AF/AF-D lenses. 85mm f1.4 AF-D lens would be my first buy.
Slowcaptain wrote:
Slightly off topic from great images being submitted.
Anyone here using vintage on D7500? For reasons unknown, Nikon thought it was wise to remove support for vintage lenses from D7500. You can still take pictures but no metering and EXIF. Do you guys use external light meter or just go with the instinct and a little trial and error?
The reason I am looking at D7500 is because it's been almost 1 month since I sold my chunky D7200 and have started missing it. To fill that void D7500 seemed like a logical replacement and don't want to get D7200 again. My other body is Z 6 and extra reach of D7500 with telephoto lenses is very enticing....Show more →
Amol, I use the Z6 and switched it to Dx mode and was quite pleased. Yes I understand that it is an internal crop but the results were good. That said is the reason I sold the D500.
Try it, you may save the expense of another camera.
Ken Hill wrote:
Amol, I use the Z6 and switched it to Dx mide and was quite pleased. Yes I understand that it is an internal crop but the results were good. That said is the reason I sold the D500.
Try it, you may save the expense of another camera.
Good to know, thanks Ken. I never tried DX mode on Z 6. Have Nikon 200-500 getting delivered tomorrow (second copy!) I will try out DX mode. Do you find resultant 10MP~ frame adequate?
Noah, nice photo of the Porsche 993, the last of the air cooled breed. It is my fave 911 by far but has become pricey. The air cooled 911s have appreciated in value quite a bit in the past few years. They were great examples of beauty in simplicity plus easy to maintain.
Regards,
Serge
Slowcaptain wrote:
Good to know, thanks Ken. I never tried DX mode on Z 6. Have Nikon 200-500 getting delivered tomorrow (second copy!) I will try out DX mode. Do you find resultant 10MP~ frame adequate?
For my purposes, yes. I also think the focus peak as well as the in-camera stabilization helps more than what is offered in the D7?00 and D500 cameras.
Well, it is the last night of winter for us in the northern hemisphere and good riddance
Thought I would post one last cold evening shot. The only processing was a black and white conversion using the B&W 09 profile that is built into Lightroom Classic CC. The vignette is a natural characteristic of the Nikkor LTM 3.5cm f/2.5 when shot wide open.
serge07 wrote:
Noah, nice photo of the Porsche 993, the last of the air cooled breed. It is my fave 911 by far but has become pricey. The air cooled 911s have appreciated in value quite a bit in the past few years. They were great examples of beauty in simplicity plus easy to maintain.
Regards,
Serge
Thanks! Actually this is the Porsche 959, which is much rarer (less than 350 produced) and faster than the 911s from that generation.
NNL. wrote:
I also first used a manual Nikon lens on the D3100. Like already stated, DX cameras that don't allow for metering with manual lenses makes it hard to use. I got a D300 later on and that was a bit better (metering and bigger viewfinder), but the D600 which I currently use is much better.
I wonder if Nikon or a 3rd-party manufacturer will fill the gap left by the FTZ for AI/AI-S/screwdrive lenses...that would be nice.
Amol, using a separate light meter with MF glass is a royal pain. I got my first MF lens (80-200 f4) when I still used my D70 but it was always a case of "sunny 16", guesswork and chimping. As soon as i got the D200 it was an absolute pleasure - also plenty of detail in 10.2 mp therefore DX on Z6 shouldn't be an issue.
Luka, the latest series is fantastic! Real gritty photography reminiscent of the film days in the '60's!
NNL. wrote:
Thanks! Actually this is the Porsche 959, which is much rarer (less than 350 produced) and faster than the 911s from that generation.
I remember when the 959 was introduced, it created quite a stir. It is a super rare bird specially in the North American market as Porsche never certified it for export. It would have cost them a fortune. The new front end design is very similar to the 993 which followed.
You are fortunate to have great cars to photograph. In my neck of the woods, this is about as exciting as it gets, with rare exceptions.
gbohannon wrote:
Nice shots Deepak. I really like that lens. Actually mine is sitting on my desk right now as a candidate to get a dandelion chip put on tonight for use on the Z6
George
Thank you George. It is a lovely lens and though I find myself using it rarely but am always happy with pics that I get with it
Point noted. Never used separate light meter so I was unaware of the hardships I'll try DX mode on Z 6 first.
Oosty wrote:
Amol, using a separate light meter with MF glass is a royal pain. I got my first MF lens (80-200 f4) when I still used my D70 but it was always a case of "sunny 16", guesswork and chimping. As soon as i got the D200 it was an absolute pleasure - also plenty of detail in 10.2 mp therefore DX on Z6 shouldn't be an issue.
Luka, the latest series is fantastic! Real gritty photography reminiscent of the film days in the '60's!
Slowcaptain wrote:
Point noted. Never used separate light meter so I was unaware of the hardships I'll try DX mode on Z 6 first.
Might be good practice to estimate exposure. Back when I was shooting slides, I used to eyeball a scene, guess an exposure before I metered the scene with the camera to check my estimate. Since that was the pre-digital age, and I wasn't trying to ETTR, I was happy to be within 1/2 stop. It's a really good skill to have, though with lack of practice I might be at 1 stop with my guesses today other than sunny sixteen. In a really critical landscape scene I bracketed exposures anyway. With pre-spot meter film cameras that I used (F3HP, FM2) I sometimes overrode the meter based on how the important elements in the scene were lit.
The estimating went something like this:
Beach / snow in direct sun - subtract 1 stop
Sunny 16 - direct sunlight
Indirect sun, but well defined shadows - add 1 stop
Bright overcast, I still wanted sunglasses, fuzzy shadows - add 2 stops
Overcast, minimal shadows to no shadows - add 3 stops
Heavy Overcast no shadows - add 4 stops
With digital it's really easy to check the guesses. Now that I've written that I may just do that for the remainder of the week :-)
pbraymond wrote:
Might be good practice to estimate exposure. Back when I was shooting slides, I used to eyeball a scene, guess an exposure before I metered the scene with the camera to check my estimate. Since that was the pre-digital age, and I wasn't trying to ETTR, I was happy to be within 1/2 stop. It's a really good skill to have, though with lack of practice I might be at 1 stop with my guesses today other than sunny sixteen. In a really critical landscape scene I bracketed exposures anyway. With pre-spot meter film cameras that I used (F3HP, FM2) I sometimes overrode the meter based on how the important elements in the scene were lit.
The estimating went something like this:
Beach / snow in direct sun - subtract 1 stop
Sunny 16 - direct sunlight
Indirect sun, but well defined shadows - add 1 stop
Bright overcast, I still wanted sunglasses, fuzzy shadows - add 2 stops
Overcast, minimal shadows to no shadows - add 3 stops
Heavy Overcast no shadows - add 4 stops
With digital it's really easy to check the guesses. Now that I've written that I may just do that for the remainder of the week :-)...Show more →
These are good tips. I agree, everyone should learn that skill espeially the ones this particular forum I shot film only when I was a kid and by the time I grew up to afford my own camera everything was digital :| Things are much forgiving now. With insane capabilities of sensors and pp softwares it doesn't matter if you are off the mark, you can still recover so many details from badly exposed images and turn it around.
I'll try DX mode on Z 6 first.