Yeah! It was an honor to point this thread out to people because of its length and the camaraderie enjoyed by all. To be honest I know things must change but some things shouldn't have too!
Ken Hill wrote:
Yeah! It was an honor to point this thread out to people because of its length and the camaraderie enjoyed by all. To be honest I know things must change but some things shouldn't have too!
The sudden, unexpected archiving and truncation of this thread sure was disconcerting for a moment, but I assume Fred has good reasons for doing it. Here is my final set of bird photos from Neck Point on Monday. All were shot with the 180 f/2.8 Ai-s with TC-201 on the Fuji X-T2, and all were processed through ON1 Photo RAW 2018.1. The third shot shows an example of Photo RAW's ability to apply a texture to an image.
NightOwl Cat wrote:
Found this in the Nikon 300 f/2.8 thread in between the first and second posts. Hope it's not a sign of things to come for the other long threads:
Sad state of affairs, especially announcing it within a thread rather than posting it in the Forums and Miscellaneous forum where folks might comment. And where does one find the so-called "Archive?"
Clearly, this thread has been pruned... quite drastically. Yes, this is Fred's website and he makes the rules. Perhaps there is a cost in terms of performance from delivering access to the entire thread, but since the material is preserved at another location, it is not a savings in terms of storage. I would have welcomed a more expansive explanation with an invitation for comments. I posted an item myself on the subject if anyone cares to comment.
I'm well aware that over time the thread has been reduced simply because links to photos in many instances reach nothing since they've been moved. I also realize that the thread has become so long that no one goes back to browse. As Reagan notes, our focus really is on the moment and what comes next. Yes, it hurts my pride since I can no longer point to the remarkable length of this thread, but I'll survive that. BUT, I'm feeling much less generous toward Fred at the moment and may not renew my subscription when it comes due in the coming weeks. I often encourage folks to get the subscription whether they use the Upload and Sell feature or not, simply to support the website. I never use either so I don't NEED the subscription. I'll sit with this before making my decision.
Zichar wrote:
And sometimes the tilt screen comes in handy for a grab shot
You could have taken that photo with the camera at eye level Chin, since I was not about to turn around on that steep slope. My loafers were hardly the best choice for a hike like that... I'm just glad I didn't tumble down that slope!
Glad you were able to take a few moments to process a couple of images. I have a few more to share but there are at home and I'm at Sue's this evening. I have a couple of photos of you in the redwoods that I'll add to this much diminished thread. I'm sure you have other images to share as well but I understand you have a very busy life. We'll all be patient...
So I discovered after browsing a bit that Fred has posted the message Laura linked to as the second post on each of the longer threads, together with a link to the archive. Perhaps others have noted that. It appears that he has created the archive through the end of 2017. Perhaps his intention is to upgrade the archive the end of each year for the longer thread. Our archive shows 5,977 pages in it, but guess what? If you go the second page you are once again in the truncated 420 pages that exist at this moment. Those 5,977 pages are an illusion. This is either massive con job or Fred is having a hard time with the coding... This is mighty strange to me...
You can browse all the history year by year. Look at the top right at "Time Machine". It says current site and you can select a year from it. As far as I can tell it works.
My pano image of the Vale of Strathearn on 'NEW' page 419 made it to Flickr explore. For some reason the Flickr bots randomly selected it. Perhaps time to buy a lottery ticket?
CGrindahl wrote:
Sad state of affairs, especially announcing it within a thread rather than posting it in the Forums and Miscellaneous forum where folks might comment. And where does one find the so-called "Archive?"
Clearly, this thread has been pruned... quite drastically. Yes, this is Fred's website and he makes the rules. Perhaps there is a cost in terms of performance from delivering access to the entire thread, but since the material is preserved at another location, it is not a savings in terms of storage. I would have welcomed a more expansive explanation with an invitation for comments. I posted an item myself on the subject if anyone cares to comment.
I'm well aware that over time the thread has been reduced simply because links to photos in many instances reach nothing since they've been moved. I also realize that the thread has become so long that no one goes back to browse. As Reagan notes, our focus really is on the moment and what comes next. Yes, it hurts my pride since I can no longer point to the remarkable length of this thread, but I'll survive that. BUT, I'm feeling much less generous toward Fred at the moment and may not renew my subscription when it comes due in the coming weeks. I often encourage folks to get the subscription whether they use the Upload and Sell feature or not, simply to support the website. I never use either so I don't NEED the subscription. I'll sit with this before making my decision.
I must be missing something, because I don't understand why Fred did this in the first place. Like you said, if the threads are still available on the site, then it's not a matter of bandwidth.
I'm sure that links to posts within the threads, for whatever information was there, are broken. Some folks DID go back and read posts from post 1 all the way through to the current, so now that opportunity is lost for the most part, too.
CGrindahl wrote:
Sad state of affairs, especially announcing it within a thread rather than posting it in the Forums and Miscellaneous forum where folks might comment. And where does one find the so-called "Archive?"
Clearly, this thread has been pruned... quite drastically. Yes, this is Fred's website and he makes the rules. Perhaps there is a cost in terms of performance from delivering access to the entire thread, but since the material is preserved at another location, it is not a savings in terms of storage. I would have welcomed a more expansive explanation with an invitation for comments. I posted an item myself on the subject if anyone cares to comment.
I'm well aware that over time the thread has been reduced simply because links to photos in many instances reach nothing since they've been moved. I also realize that the thread has become so long that no one goes back to browse. As Reagan notes, our focus really is on the moment and what comes next. Yes, it hurts my pride since I can no longer point to the remarkable length of this thread, but I'll survive that. BUT, I'm feeling much less generous toward Fred at the moment and may not renew my subscription when it comes due in the coming weeks. I often encourage folks to get the subscription whether they use the Upload and Sell feature or not, simply to support the website. I never use either so I don't NEED the subscription. I'll sit with this before making my decision.
I found this thread 3 years ago and managed, over the course of 6 months, to go through most of the posts.
In doing so I was able to catch-up on the history and ethos of the thread, the stalwarts, the camaraderie as well as gaining an insight into people's personalities and favourite lenses before posting my first picture.
It would be a crying shame to lose that continuity.
Chris Dees wrote:
You can browse all the history year by year. Look at the top right at "Time Machine". It says current site and you can select a year from it. As far as I can tell it works.
Time machine is only available for the full Nikon Forum, not for a particular thread, at least so far as I can see. When I go to the Nikon Forum and select a previous year, then search for the Manual Focus Nikon Glass thread for 2012, one of our busiest years because of Nikki, I find ONE POST. If I'm missing something here Chris, I'd love to know what I must do to find all posts.
Incidentally, I found my personal posts have been truncated as well.
I appreciate folks comments on this subject. It does feel like a significant loss, both as Colin mentions because it offers newcomers a deep look at who we are and how we operate with one another, and as Laura observes. Yes, there is a great deal of information in this thread which HAD BEEN available since addition by Fred of a search function WITHIN the thread.
When I raised the question some time ago about missing pages Fred never responded... so I'm not expecting we'll hear from him and certainly not expecting anything will change. I can't help but think about Adam Silverman who created TrekEarth where I first rekindled my love of photography. That was where I first met Rinie. I was there for a few years. Here's my bio page... but hold your breath everyone... I was shooting CANON at the time.
I mention that because after a few years of free wheeling conversation he began tightening things up. Gradually folks began leaving the website, many of whom had become good friends. I surmised that he was trying to avoid disagreements because he intended to sell the website, which he eventually did. I eventually found a home on Fred Miranda and met the characters who reside on this thread. I'm happy about that, but remembering what happened on TrekEarth I'm cautious.
I'm reading a book called Momma Zen and read a chapter this morning titled "Flowers Fall - When Bad Things Happen." It begins with this quote -
"Yet in attachment blossoms fall, and in aversion weeds spread."
- Dogen Zenji, "Actualizing the Fundamental Point"
Buddhists are encouraged to meditate on the glass already broken. I think you get the picture. No matter how much we wish things to be a certain way and no matter how much our life experience has given us things that seem to be permanent... there is no such thing. We are eternally coming to terms with loss, with change. Fred will do what Fred does with this website, with this forum, with this thread. I recall when we were concerned that the post counter might not be long enough to handle this thread when we passed 100,000 posts. There was room... though now it appears there isn't room for the reality of those posts.
I don't know whether this is the beginning of the end. I guess the best we can do is enjoy each day we find our friends on this thread. I'll send Fred an email but frankly, I don't expect a response...
I just realised we never did talk about Buddhist philosophy during our time together. My colleague gave me a Gibbs slap when I mentioned we talked about the death penalty.
"Of all the things to talk about Singapore you had to bring up the death penalty?!"
