Went up to our property in Pend Orielle, WA, it was my first time there since we bought it earlier this year. Camped for a week, hiking and fishing and campfires. Beatiful country and a hidden gem, not many people know about it. The people were super friendly and hospitable.
Sorry for posting so much, but all these are from this last week. Family Zoo, animal Zoo, Earthquakes, churches, and dragsters.
I closed the week with the last Cruising Grand event of the year, not sure why they stop these in the Fall, this is California not Montana, Weather is better in winter, not worse.
rafaelcasd wrote:
Jaguars are definitely more handsome than longhorns and more respectful than human children. Arguably better looking than the latter as well.
bruni wrote:
no, no, no Samy, don't give in to him like that. Make him earn it - if he can.
Yes, the French call it Lac Léman but it's not a French lake, it's mostly Swiss - so the Genevans have every right to call it Lake Geneva. And yes, it was known as Lac Lemanus by the Romans - but from at least the 16th century it was also known as Lac de Genève, even by the French.
The funniest part of all of this is Philippe claiming chauvinism by the Swiss - ha ha, that really made my day. I'd pump for Lake Geneva - after all, Geneva is from the Roman - so you know you can't go wrong.
Lieutenant Z wrote:
Haha, it's so funny to hear an Australian explaining to a local how to call the Léman... haha,yes, so funny though a bit arrogant and pretentious...
no, it's OK Lestor.....there's no French Australian conflict here.......this is a Roman reminding a Frenchman of a name we coined during our almost 400 year occupation. It's a discussion our forgetful French friend and I have had many times before.
bruni wrote:
no, it's OK Lestor.....there's no French Australian conflict here.......this is a Roman reminding a Frenchman of a name we coined during our almost 400 year occupation. It's a discussion our forgetful French friend and I have had many times before.
Lestor, it's not a conflict but just a so-called roman (you know a guy who lives in a British Colony and spends his vacations in Manchester...) trying to explain me (being of Savoie origin from my father) both my history, my geography and my language....
A few days ago he was asking if Geneva is a nice city, saying that he has never been there...
This is laughable, absolutely laughable. Yeah, Ben is a great stand-up comedian and that's why we love him....
Lieutenant Z wrote:
Lestor, it's not a conflict but just a so-called roman (you know a guy who lives in a British Colony and spends his vacations in Manchester...) trying to explain me (being of Savoie origin from my father) both my history, my geography and my language....
A few days ago he was asking if Geneva is a nice city, saying that he has never been there...
This is laughable, absolutely laughable. Yeah, Ben is a great stand-up comedian and that's why we love him....
Decendent of a cabbage?
I really need to read the last few pages now to find out what that's about
Lieutenant Z wrote:
Haha, it's so funny to hear an Australian explaining to a local how to call the Léman... haha,yes, so funny though a bit arrogant and pretentious...
Ah Phillippe .. not arrogant or pretentious.,,,,,,, just Australian
Oosty wrote:
Ah Phillippe .. not arrogant or pretentious.,,,,,,, just Australian
I'm glad to see this issue has attracted the interest of some of our far flung friends.
Peter - there's no Australian here - so your barbs have missed their mark..
Philippe - I'm not trying to explain your history to you, although as a Roman I'd be well placed to do so. No, I'm just reminding you of some facts you so regularly ignore.
But first, some simple logic: don't infer from the fact that I asked you how Geneva was during your recent visit that I have never been there. That is a non sequitur. It is true though that I have not been there since I was a child which was far too long ago, far too long.
And if we could stop hurling insults like "arrogant" and "pretentious" and focus on the facts: Philippe corrected Samy for referring to Lake Léman as Lake Geneva by claiming that " . the only people who say "Lake Geneva" are the Brits and the Genevans...
All the other (who are not anti-european or chauvinistic) call it "Léman" or "Lac Léman".
Look it up - it's just one page back. These are just facts.
I tried to balance the assertion that only "Brits" and "Genevans" called it Lake Geneva by pointing out that the naming of the lake had fluctuated during its history and there was a time from about the 16th century when it was the fashion to call it Lake Geneva, even by the French. This is history, these are just facts.
Philippe claims that the Genevans themselves call it Lake Geneva and I would have thought the name used by the locals for their own lake was of some significance. But that is not a fact, merely an observation on Philippe's assertion.
So, to be clear, there is no dispute that the name commonly used is Lac Léman, especially by the French. That is accepted. However, it is probably not correct to say that only "anti-Europeans" and "chauvinists" call it Lake Geneva. In truth, I suspect that that claim was a rhetorical flourish by our French friend and not meant to be taken literally. When he gets off his high horse I'm sure he'll be glad to acknowledge that.
I imagine this linking of "Brits" and "anti-europeans" was fuelled by the current developments over Brexit. Again, that is just an observation, not a fact.
And I think we can all appreciate that emotions are running high over the Brexit negotiations and some wild claims are being made by both sides. Totally understandable.
bruni wrote:
I'm glad to see this issue has attracted the interest of some of our far flung friends.
Peter - there's no Australian here - so your barbs have missed their mark..
Philippe - I'm not trying to explain your history to you, although as a Roman I'd be well placed to do so. No, I'm just reminding you of some facts you so regularly ignore.
But first, some simple logic: don't infer from the fact that I asked you how Geneva was during your recent visit that I have never been there. That is a non sequitur. It is true though that I have not been there since I was a child which was far too long ago, far too long.
And if we could stop hurling insults like "arrogant" and "pretentious" and focus on the facts: Philippe corrected Samy for referring to Lake Léman as Lake Geneva by claiming that " . the only people who say "Lake Geneva" are the Brits and the Genevans...
All the other (who are not anti-european or chauvinistic) call it "Léman" or "Lac Léman".
Look it up - it's just one page back. These are just facts.
I tried to balance the assertion that only "Brits" and "Genevans" called it Lake Geneva by pointing out that the naming of the lake had fluctuated during its history and there was a time from about the 16th century when it was the fashion to call it Lake Geneva, even by the French. This is history, these are just facts.
Philippe claims that the Genevans themselves call it Lake Geneva and I would have thought the name used by the locals for their own lake was of some significance. But that is not a fact, merely an observation on Philippe's assertion.
So, to be clear, there is no dispute that the name commonly used is Lac Léman, especially by the French. That is accepted. However, it is probably not correct to say that only "anti-Europeans" and "chauvinists" call it Lake Geneva. In truth, I suspect that that claim was a rhetorical flourish by our French friend and not meant to be taken literally. When he gets off his high horse I'm sure he'll be glad to acknowledge that.
I imagine this linking of "Brits" and "anti-europeans" was fuelled by the current developments over Brexit. Again, that is just an observation, not a fact.
And I think we can all appreciate that emotions are running high over the Brexit negotiations and some wild claims are being made by both sides. Totally understandable.
rafaelcasd wrote:
Could someone explain to me how we went from an OZzie Roman defending a Swiss lake's proper name to Brexit? What is next? the Catalan referendum?
As a proud Batlle, methinks we should shuck Castille. Anyone wants to rename my lake Coatepeque? I can guarantee the Romans were never here.
Oosty wrote:
Ben, I'll call it quits. An Aussie would have laughed at my comment coming as it does from a Saffer.
As Shakespeare is reputed to have said "What’s in a name? that which we call a rose: By any other name would smell as sweet;"
Let's keep it light as we always have on this thread and let the lenses do the talking as yours and Phillippe's do so eloquently.
Peter..... don't worry about offending me, I was not at all upset by your comments, quite the contrary, I appreciated the dig, but I've got to say, I would never dare call you by that "s" word you used . It's interesting how fashions in usage change - I don't hear it anymore, here it's regarded as a bridge too far.
Raphael - yes, the Romans were never in the US - but of course the Italians were - a certain Christoforo Colombo was fairly significant, and of course the country was named after another Italian explorers - but that's not the point - you're doing a Philippe and trying to distract from the issue. And no, I've nothing to say on the Catalan referendum - except, wow, we live in interesting times.
But right now my attention and my sympathies go to Las Vegas. Terrible news.
bruni wrote:
I'm glad to see this issue has attracted the interest of some of our far flung friends.
Peter - there's no Australian here - so your barbs have missed their mark..
Philippe - I'm not trying to explain your history to you, although as a Roman I'd be well placed to do so. No, I'm just reminding you of some facts you so regularly ignore.
But first, some simple logic: don't infer from the fact that I asked you how Geneva was during your recent visit that I have never been there. That is a non sequitur. It is true though that I have not been there since I was a child which was far too long ago, far too long.
And if we could stop hurling insults like "arrogant" and "pretentious" and focus on the facts: Philippe corrected Samy for referring to Lake Léman as Lake Geneva by claiming that " . the only people who say "Lake Geneva" are the Brits and the Genevans...
All the other (who are not anti-european or chauvinistic) call it "Léman" or "Lac Léman".
Look it up - it's just one page back. These are just facts.
I tried to balance the assertion that only "Brits" and "Genevans" called it Lake Geneva by pointing out that the naming of the lake had fluctuated during its history and there was a time from about the 16th century when it was the fashion to call it Lake Geneva, even by the French. This is history, these are just facts.
Philippe claims that the Genevans themselves call it Lake Geneva and I would have thought the name used by the locals for their own lake was of some significance. But that is not a fact, merely an observation on Philippe's assertion.
So, to be clear, there is no dispute that the name commonly used is Lac Léman, especially by the French. That is accepted. However, it is probably not correct to say that only "anti-Europeans" and "chauvinists" call it Lake Geneva. In truth, I suspect that that claim was a rhetorical flourish by our French friend and not meant to be taken literally. When he gets off his high horse I'm sure he'll be glad to acknowledge that.
I imagine this linking of "Brits" and "anti-europeans" was fuelled by the current developments over Brexit. Again, that is just an observation, not a fact.
And I think we can all appreciate that emotions are running high over the Brexit negotiations and some wild claims are being made by both sides. Totally understandable.
Sorry to say that but you do not have the intimate knowledge required to really understand such a topic. You are not Swiss, you are not French, your don't even speak French, you don't live there.
I coud say that Geneva is a very little part of the aerea, all the swiss living on the North side of the Lake (Lausanne, Vevey, Montreux...) speak French - as of course the French of the South side - and they all call it "Léman" except the Genevans.
We could say "Lac d'Evian", the Swiss could say "Lac de Lausanne" : we decided to say "Léman" because the lake is a common good for Switzerland and France.
Can you understand that : a historic name for a common property ?
