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p.73 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thank you for the response. I'm going to go take a look right now, I didn't have time to earlier but look forward to reading it now.

jhapeman wrote:
There's been a lot of chat on the 50/1.1 here, so here's a link to my comparison of the new Noctilux and the Nokton:

http://www.digitalhapeman.com/Digital_Hapeman/Blog/Entries/2010/9/22_Ultra-fast_50mm_lenses_on_the_Leica_M9.html

I also now have the 50/1 Nocti in hand, so I will be updating the review with some new images and observations from that lens.

Jeff




Oct 27, 2010 at 08:56 AM
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p.73 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Actually I've read this review in the past, very well done!
Thanks again jhapeman.



Oct 27, 2010 at 09:06 AM
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p.73 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


carstenw wrote:
Hehe, you might get that with the 28 Cron or 50 Lux ASPH, but if you put the 90AA in there, it would be "where can we find a room, fast?"


jhapeman wrote:
If you aim to impress with pocket power, why stop with the 90AA? Go for the 135 Elmarit-M with goggles!



charles.K wrote:
Adam, I don't think the 50 Lux Asph will dissapoint you....may not have the same impact in your pocket as the 90AA, but I am sure the 50 Lux will be stuck on the M9 anyway



carstenw wrote:
Or a Visoflex III with 280/4.8



So wrong....

Yeah, the 50Lux seems like a winner.
So I guess buy a 28/2 Ultron, use it to see how I like the FL on an M9 and if needed upgrade to 28Cron.
Keep the 50Cron until I get myself a 50Lux, then sell the cron.

Thanks guys!



Oct 27, 2010 at 09:27 AM
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p.73 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


carstenw wrote:
That is exactly what I have: 28 Cron, 50 Lux ASPH and 90AA. I want to get either 21 Elmarit ASPH or ZM21, but haven't decided yet. Then I am set. I currently also have a CV15, 35 Lux ASPH without (much) focus shift (chrome), and 75 Lux, but once I upgrade my M8u to an M9 chrome or M10, I will sell both and be done. The CV15 is too much of a hassle, needs CornerFix, and although it is quite okay, I find I don't use it.

For the 28, it is really a question of preference. The 28
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I'm actually not sure what "kind" or rendering I like from Leica... I haven't seen much really.. I'd guess I want the newer stuff, but on stevehuffs(?) reviews I really like his shots using the 50Lux pre-asph.... And would probably consider one, but then what one? 50 Summilux F1.4 Type 3 right, it has the closer focusing. That's the one they consider pre-asph?

Sad that the nokton failed to impress... Maybe it's one of those lenses you just have to try.. Though to be honest the most impressive lens I've seen to date has been the Noctilux f/1.... The .95 doesn't even have what I've seen with the f/1 and then, I don't even know what version of the f/1 I like!!

Best,
Adam



Oct 27, 2010 at 09:33 AM
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p.73 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


50 Lux pre-ASPH: the one with the built-in hood and 0.7m focusing.

50/1: there is only one optical design, so choose the barrel you like best. I prefer the old one with twist-on hood myself.



Oct 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM
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p.73 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


There's two 50 Summilux pre-ASPHs. Both have the same optical formula. The earlier one is FAR more common, since it was produced for a lot longer. It only focuses down to 1m and has a 43mm filter thread. The later one focuses down to .7m, has a 46mm thread, and a built in hood. I think these are considered to be the 4th and 5th versions, but the 3rd version is basically the same as the 4th, so it probably depends on who you ask. The easiest way to tell them apart is by the filter size.

As far as 'rendering' (I hate that word - it lets people sweep too much under the rug), from my observations, the 50 ASPH is going to be sharper, especially wide open and/or at closer distances, sharper/more even across the frame, have more even looking bokeh, be larger, heavier, and more expensive. The pre-ASPHs are not going to be as sharp at the center, even less so at the edges, get softer at close distances, have 'swirly' bokeh, and be smaller and lighter. It really depends if you want that 'character'. For some people, it's where it's at. I'm guessing, but don't know, that the ASPH probably controls flare better than the pre-ASPH. I don't mean flare as in ghosting, but the subtle bleed over of highlights into neighboring regions.

I'd love to own both, but I can't justify it, so I got the ASPH. I don't mind the swirly bokeh of the pre-ASPH, but I'm not sure I'd want it in all my pictures. Personally, I think it looks a lot better in B&W than it does in color. There are also plenty of cheaper lenses that can give me that character, so if I feel like I'm lacking in that department, I can pick one of those up.

Camera Quest has some good info on the various versions of Leica M lenses, though it doesn't really have the newer lenses on there (post 2000ish).



Oct 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM
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p.73 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Oh yeah, about the Noctilux, many people buy it and then get rid of it. I've never had one, and maybe it is your perfect lens. Who knows. I just saw a sale ad for one that read something like, "I've had it for 10+ years, and I think I used it 4 times, less than 100 exposures." Not picking on the guy, but for many, it's just not a practical lens. Also keep in mind that not too long ago, they were SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than they are now. Like ~$2k.

At the same time, one guy I know uses his very effectively all the time. But just keep in mind that the 50 ASPH (or something like it) is a much more practical lens.



Oct 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM
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p.73 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


kid, the pre-ASPH is not as sharp and has a bit of a veil wide open (still a very good lens, maybe a bit like the ZF50/1.4 without so much CA), but swirly boke? I have seen that in some Crons but not in the pre-ASPH. Do you have some samples?

True about the Noctilux. It is really special. Make sure you really want it, or have loads of money with nothing else interesting to do with it.



Oct 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM
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p.73 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Steve Huff's review has some swirly bokeh. It's not as in your face as a Noctilux or a Summar or a Nikkor 50/1.1 (I think that's the one), but it pops up in some shots that I've seen.

The funny thing is, I just went through a quick flip through about 500 pre-ASPH images in the M-mount group on flickr looking for 'character' shots to link too, and didn't see any. Which is kind of how I feel - I take pictures of things, not of lens characteristics. Though I have always like this shot (not mine), and it probably would have come out differently with an ASPH.



Oct 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM
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p.73 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Wow, crazy. Never seen it like that. Just goes to show, I guess.

Are you sure that the lens used in that favorite shot of yours is the pre-ASPH? It says version II, which is the one which ran from '63 or something all the way up to the pre-ASPH, I am pretty sure. There was a previous version from '61-'63 or something like that.



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p.73 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Alright, I got the 50/1.4 C Sonnar and 25/2.8 Biogon today and took them out for a short trial run. I'm pleased with both. The Sonnar has a very nice retro rendering wide open - it reminds me a bit of the Zeiss 35/1.4 Distagon (Contax/Rollei). I would love to have it in a 35mm version. My copy seems to be optimized for f/2.8. I found however that it was really easy to compensate at f/1.5. I'll keep using it for a while and then decide if it should go back to Zeiss to be set for f/1.5 focus.

The 25/2.8 Biogon seems to be a superb lens. The light wasn't all that brilliant so I did not have the opportunity to test it a lot. Framing proved to be trickier than I thought. I should probably consider an external viewfinder for it. I had to take three or four pictures each time before I got anything that remotely looked like the framing I wanted. I'm also not used to the focal length so I have to learn when and how to use it.


Finally, I must add a complaint: Lens coding sucks. I've ordered a coding kit but for now I'm using the manual entry. Result? For a bunch of pictures I selected by accident the 35 lux ASPH profile for the Sonnar instead of the 50 lux ASPH. Then after changing lenses to the 25 I promptly forgot to change it. Although no real damage was done to the images my metadata is a complete mess.

Anyway, here are a couple of Sonnar images. Since this is a portrait lens, I'll start with a portrait of a colleague at work:












Pirate dog :













Bokeh test:






















Oct 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM
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p.73 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Congrats on your new, fantastic gear, denoir! I knew you'd buy an M9 as soon as you mentioned your interest in the camera for the first time.
I think I can see something interesting here. Your pictures with it are quite different from what you usually show. Isn't it more spontaneousness in them? That's what I felt when I had the M8, spontaneous. It was such a joy to shoot, despite its shortcomings.

Edit: The canoe shot is fantastic!

That Sonnar seems to draw in a fantastic way! What RAW converter are you using? I haven't read every word in the thread, so maybe I've missed it. I think you could get some more "pop" from the 35/2 if cranking the contrast a bit.

If there will be and M10 with live view and a modern sensor, I'll get it. Regardless of price.



Oct 27, 2010 at 01:05 PM
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p.73 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


The flickr group only has 3 versions of the 50 Summilux listed. I, II, and ASPH.

And optically, I think that's a legit way to divide things. As far as I understand. I think there was a version that only lasted a couple years ('59-61/2, according to Puts), and then all the versions from 1962 up until the ASPH have the same optical design (ignoring things like coatings). So which one is the pre-ASPH?



Oct 27, 2010 at 01:33 PM
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p.73 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


carstenw wrote:
50 Lux pre-ASPH: the one with the built-in hood and 0.7m focusing.

50/1: there is only one optical design, so choose the barrel you like best. I prefer the old one with twist-on hood myself.



After playing with both types in the shop, I really am more partial to the built-in hood variety. I kinda hate lens hoods, and with the M9 being the camera that it is, I won't use them if they're not built in. On a 5DII or a 1Ds3, I'd use the hoods, but a Leica needs to be simple, and the lenses need to fit in my pocket

So the E46 Lux is the .7m focusing?!
Thats type 3 correct?



Oct 27, 2010 at 01:53 PM
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p.73 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Don't worry what type it is. E46 with .7m focussing and built in hood, and you'll get the right one.

Some people number the types by optical formulas, some by mechanical differences.



Oct 27, 2010 at 01:55 PM
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p.73 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, great work with the Sonnar. I have heard that it is easiest to get the optimized at 2.8 version and then compensate slightly when using wide open. It seems that being optimized at 1.5 causes the lens to be practically useless between f/2.8- f/8 or so. I agree with Makten...slightly different style in the M9 shots you have posted. The canoe shot is excellent as is the portrait....razor sharp!


Oct 27, 2010 at 01:55 PM
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p.73 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


kidtexas wrote:
Oh yeah, about the Noctilux, many people buy it and then get rid of it. I've never had one, and maybe it is your perfect lens. Who knows. I just saw a sale ad for one that read something like, "I've had it for 10+ years, and I think I used it 4 times, less than 100 exposures." Not picking on the guy, but for many, it's just not a practical lens. Also keep in mind that not too long ago, they were SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than they are now. Like ~$2k.

At the same time, one guy I know uses
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Just annoys me to think that..
In fact, I looked over a few old old listings way back in google and seen some f/1s going for around that price, and was thinking man I wish I could snag a Noct E60 f/1 for 3k nevermind 2! Honestly, at this point I'd pay $3.5k for one, and would love to pay $3k, not for a quick buck at resell, just because that's what I feel a lens like that would be worth to me.

Anything more and I'd give up on the idea and just get a used pre-asph lux. Which I do think has character.



Oct 27, 2010 at 02:01 PM
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p.73 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Just 1.5 years ago, you could get 50 ASPH for less than $2k NEW, what with the rebates and the weak pound.



Oct 27, 2010 at 02:04 PM
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p.73 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


carstenw wrote:
kid, the pre-ASPH is not as sharp and has a bit of a veil wide open (still a very good lens, maybe a bit like the ZF50/1.4 without so much CA), but swirly boke? I have seen that in some Crons but not in the pre-ASPH. Do you have some samples?

True about the Noctilux. It is really special. Make sure you really want it, or have loads of money with nothing else interesting to do with it.



I almost hate my 50 1.4 ZE.... So I guess the pre-asph is almost out of the question.
Damn, guess it's good to know now, before buying and regretting.
I BTW, love swirly bokeh, I'm totally in love with it, and wish I could have all my photos with swirly bokeh that was smooth. Though I'd want the subject to pop and be sharp

Best,
Adam



Oct 27, 2010 at 02:04 PM
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p.73 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Using Puts as my reference, the '59-'61 version is I, the '61-pre-ASPH II, the pre-ASPH III, and then the ASPH. I think it makes sense to distinguish between the II and the III, precisely because there are good reasons for wanting one over the other. Coatings can also make a huge difference, and I think the pre-ASPH is rumoured to be more contrasty due to exactly this, another reason to prefer it, for some. I might pick up a II one day. I love the lens. I am just not sure I would use it much, but these things keep their value, so I could experiment.

As for the Noctilux, there are 3 or 4 versions of the 50/1, all optically identical. The twist-on hood attaches differently in the first ones, and the last one has an ugly square plastic hood. Practical, but jeez. It is quite flare resistant, btw.

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