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p.468 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


As for 50lux, I think I should give an explanation about my comment before.

I also want to understand myself why I don’t feel enthusiasm about it. The only answer is a perfect person may not be my best friend I like 50mm focal length a lot, 50lux may still be my most used M lens. But most of pictures are family pictures, which I don’t want to bore you guys unless there is something interesting in photography, I will show

We all know it is the best prime lens but something I don’t like about it:

1. Pull out hood feel very flimsy and unsecure. And it is too shallow; I am afraid to touch the front element. In that sense, the leica hood for old lux or Summicron are way better IMO, the lens recess into deep that I never worry about it. That is one of the reasons I don’t bring it with me more often when out. I like to leave the front cap off all the time, and having $4000 lens hang around with that kind of hood protection is ?? to put it simple, I hate it. I am thinking to buy an aftermarket screw in hood for it.

2. Size, this is very a minor one and only compare to Summicron Rigid and Sonnar I have.

3. Price/performance ratio, but this applies to all leica lens.

4. Focus tab, for given how well damp 50lux is, the tab almost useless for me other than on my way. It would be awesome for my ultra-smooth 50AIS Nikkor

So, you see, I can’t tell what is wrong in terms of optical for the lens but feeling still is very mixed. I have many 50mm lens on hand which include Zeiss P50, MP50, Nikkor 501.2 AIS, Nikon 50mm 1.8G. In M platform, I have 50lux, 50cron rigid, DR, and 50 Sonnar.

As a tool, I value overall performance include optical, rendering, handling and maybe: price. That makes P50 is the top one on my list and 1.8G is best value. In that sense, you can see 50lux will score quite low because of handling and price Hopeful with aftermarket hood, it will fix the handling problem for me. No, I won’t sell it at foresee future for its given performance at 1.4 and cross frame sharpness slow down.

This is truly just my personal opinion. Please forgive me if anyone feels bad about it. And I am also involving myself with more experience and better skill, so sometime down to the road; I may have a different opinion about it.

A two ‘street’ fotos to share. I took them a while ago.
50lux both wide open.














May 02, 2012 at 02:25 PM
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p.468 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks guys.

Yes Hilmar, I also wouldn't consider myself an intentional lens collector. It just happened. At least some of the older non-Leica glass isn't too pricy, which makes the decision easier.

Charles, interesting point about contrast. The Summarit 5cm is certainly low contrast wide open and I have noticed I can use it wide open in full sunlight without an ND filter, so long as there aren't sunlit pure white areas in the scene, and easily normalize the image in LR.

Ryan, thanks for the info. Will keep it in mind for holiday options! Yes, got a chance to try the Nikkor, in part inspired by your images with it.

And great sets again. The colors are idyllic. The arch really caught my eye, as well as #2 of the second set.

Some more with the Nikkor 10.5cm:

































May 02, 2012 at 03:01 PM
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Michael, you posted while I was composing my post... The photos of your kids are great and seem to fall in the 'predictable 50 Lux' category. Your first image is what annoys me the most about the 50 Lux's image characteristics. It's a $4k lens that doesn't retain a round aperture shape beyond wide open until about f/8. C'mon Leica! My other Leica lenses do, same with the ZMs, CVs... I think Luka complained about this regarding the 75 Cron a while ago too...

I completely agree with you about the hood. First, it doesn't lock into extended position, which means it often retracted when I put it back into my bag. And when I'd reach in to grab it, would sometimes touch the front element instead. I wouldn't worry too much about touching the front element though, since it seems to be quite resilient. Secondly, I tend to handle these lenses, at least the smaller ones, by the hood when transferring between the camera and bag. The 50 Lux's hood is held in place with only one screw and what appears to be a few dabs of glue, which I noticed after it fell off the first time. Having it since work loose again numerous times, I've take the 'drastic' measure of removing the hood, lens ID ring and spacer ring/spring under it, and have simply taped the base tube back onto the lens with gaffer's tape. This tube has the filter ring at the end, so on the end I've attached a $5 vented metal lens hood. In order to secure this makeshift assembly to the body of the lens, you can't slide it on all the way, which effectively gives a deeper hood (which I lined with black tape). Now I can pick up the lens by the hood and not worry about touching the front element or the stock hood falling off again. I wouldn't suggest you go about removing the hood from the lens, but one option to keep in mind might be to add some tape so the hood can't slide back. But the 3rd party screw-on hood is probably the best option. Just keep in mind that repeatedly grabbing and handling the lens by the hood may eventually loosen that one small screw. Since I assume you have the black Lux, it may not be as much of a problem as with my silver version, which is heavier.

I like the focusing tab. At least up here in colder weather, the lens seems to get a bit tighter, so the tab helps.

Nikkor 10,5: The F mount 105mm f/2.5 is derived from the rangefinder lens. IIRC, it was initially optically modified only very slightly, perhaps to accommodate the mirror box. Also, I believe the rangefinder version is a Sonnar design, which carried over to the early F version, but at some point pretty early in production it was again modified a bit, I think from 5 element 3 groups to 5/4. This is worth a read: http://imaging.nikon.com/history/nikkor/45/index.htm
And maybe this too: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/RF-Nikkor/RF105mm/index.htm

Being critical, my opinion is the modern 90mm lenses are sharper, but the Nikkor has a nice quality to it, especially at near distances. In a way it's kind of like the 50 Lux discussion. You could get a 90AA (which I have yet to try) and it will likely be perfect in most optical categories. And you'll appreciate this if trying to extract absolute sharpness out of an image. But is that what matters most to you? I can't speak for Charles, but as you'll have noticed, he shoots a lot with the 75 Lux and much less with the 90AA. Obviously it's personal preferences at play.

Bottom line for me, as a single lens option, I would always go for maximum optical performance, such as a 50 Lux ASPH, 90AA, type of lens. Then, if I really like/use the focal length a lot, would look for additional character lenses. For my M system uses, 50mm seems to be the sweet spot, perhaps because there are also so many different 50mm options. And the lenses aren't too large, making it easier to justify carrying around 2 or 3 at the same time.

A few more from the Nikkor, revisiting a couple spots from the earlier walk with Andrew. I like this door a lot.

















May 02, 2012 at 03:56 PM
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p.468 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Hilmar and Michael, thanks
Ryan, you will miss the M9!
Michael, very nice captures of your kids!
Regarding the tabs on the M lenses, I do really appreciate them now. At first, my fingers got caught on it and frustrated me. But now I realize for the shots on the run, I have the tab, at its lower most position, and this will place the focus at 4-5', without looking at the settings, allowing for more intuitive focusing.
Ron, I am really liking the shots with 10.5cm, and in particularly the bold PP'ing!
Gary, very nice set



May 03, 2012 at 02:11 AM
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p.468 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Gary and Charles!

Gary, I have a ton of dust on my sensor and for whatever reason, I forgot to spot that one image. I keep meaning to clean the sensor, but forget, then I end up out shooting, then remember the dust... oh well.

Interesting set, I like the first and third. I have that lens as well but haven't used it much recently. I guess I'm still working on getting used to the 28/50 combo, though sometimes find I would like a 35.

Michael: forgot to mention... maybe consider a swap of the 50 Lux for a 28 Cron? Actually, you can probably find a used 28 Cron pretty easily as they seem to be more common on the used market, and in very good condition for maybe around $3500 if you're patient, or even less, so you might actually keep a bit of cash in your wallet after selling the 50 Lux. Just a thought.

More with the 10.5cm Nikkor:
































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May 03, 2012 at 03:00 AM
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p.468 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks for comments Charles.

Ron, Nice set with 105mm and thanks for comment about that lens as well. I don't mind 50lux non circle bokeh highlight, I find that quite interesting like 35mm1.4 Zeiss MMJ with triangle Bokeh.

Charles, somehow, I feel fine tuning with Tab is not better than focus ring because of well damped lens. I need use two finger to get correct focus with Tab, in that case I feel ring is a better way anyway. But I guess this is really get personal preference and I think you make a good point that with long relationship with the lens, by feel the physical position of the tab, photographer can use hyper focal distance to shoot without focus at small aperture on street.

Gary, nice set of images.

Two more 90 Elmarit at Big Basin Red wood park. I took these shot on my way back. Again, the light is very harsh. I spend quite a bit of time in LR4 to make these shots usable.













these are the scene SOOC and close to what I see on site. Quite a difference.









May 03, 2012 at 03:24 AM
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p.468 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron, we are posting at the same time again I really like this set. The first is my favorite.

I can spend $4000 on 50mm lens or maybe 35mm but I can't justify that amount on 28mm with f2. It make better sense to sell some of my ZF lens than 50lux. It sounds contradict with the my comments about 50lux. But it is still a best performance tool and perform well when you need it I may get 28cron if I travel somewhere and need a wide, but not urgent





May 03, 2012 at 03:30 AM
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p.468 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Michael. BTW, I added one more that I forgot to include. Nice work on those images, though I feel the green of the trees is a touch too bright/vibrant.

That's kind of also what I thought about 28mm, but then I tried a few and realized the only good, fast, M mount 28mm is the Cron. With this lens I don't find I miss f/1.4 all that often. It's nice with the 21 Lux, but it's also a large lens. I probably would enjoy the 28 less if it was that large because it would block a huge portion of the viewfinder. Maybe tomorrow I will post some photos more in-line with what you post of your kids, but at the moment, back to the woods and skunk cabbage:

50 Lux






28 Cron


























21 Lux






50 Lux







May 03, 2012 at 03:52 AM
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p.468 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron and Michael,

The hood on my 50lux ASPH does lock (I pull out the hood then turn clockwise for a small amount). I actually like that locking feature which I have not seen in other M lenses.




May 03, 2012 at 06:39 AM
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p.468 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Gary, Michael, Ron, Charles

Michael - great shots of the kids

Ron - more great work with the 10.5 Nikkor! Really like the series with the ropes. You have so many shots you are posting, how do you have the time

Gary - nice with the 35 Nokton II! Really like #3 and #4. How are you liking the lens? I think hands down the best value in just about any system. ONLY fault can be its size, but look what they give you in optics

Charles - nice set from Bali, like #2 but I love the expression on the guy in the last pic

more Nokton shots


























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rsolti13 wrote:
Thanks Gary, Michael, Ron, Charles

Gary - nice with the 35 Nokton II! Really like #3 and #4. How are you liking the lens? I think hands down the best value in just about any system. ONLY fault can be its size, but look what they give you in optics



I am really liking the lens a lot Ryan. Yes it is rather big but it is so sharp and has great renderiing at larger apertures.



May 03, 2012 at 10:18 AM
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p.468 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron, Charles, Ryan, thanks for comments.

ocean2059, it doesn't retract if you turn, but I wouldn't call it a 'lock' A very lemon design. I can feel its wobble around.

Ron, I agree with the color. I run out of choice for didn't get good color and light at first place. It also limited by my PP skill without a visit to PS
All the green from your set are nice to look, again 28cron seems shine.

Charles, another wonderful set. The portrait of your significant half is really nice

Ryan, the first on is interesting to look at. a neat foto.

VC35 VI is a very nice lens too The thing I don't like: Bokeh is just average to me; Purple fringe; Onion bokeh Highlight. Otherwise a sweet lens and can do 1.2.

Another portrait of my son with VC35 at WO. (Sorry)











May 03, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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p.468 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Very nice Michael. I never did try Version I but I hear that VII has improved performance in some regards....


May 03, 2012 at 02:30 PM
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There seems to be some debate about whether there is any significant optical difference between the two. I haven't tried v1, so can't say. But agree it's an excellent value with great performance. I haven't used mine much recently. I guess the newness of the 28 Cron is one factor, and I try to keep it to a four lens set when I go out, which ends up being 21/28/50/90.

Thanks for the comments guys.

Ryan, I love all four - color and composition. To answer your question: I'm self-employed and without kids, so I have some time. I also shoot a lot when I get into a groove. Not to say they're great images... Hopefully I'm not swamping the thread.
Charles, very nice set and really like the last portrait a lot. The Nikkor 10.5 isn't mine to keep, just giving it some different scenery for a couple weeks.
ocean2059: What Michael said. It extends and twists to hold it extended, but there isn't any kind of click-to-lock feature that will keep it from twisting back and collapsing again, which was happening a lot for me, maybe because I tend to change lenses a lot. It might be the way I handle the lens and others don't have as much of a problem with it.
Michael - nice one of your son. I think the bokeh looks reasonable, but obviously it's subjective. It's not as funky though as what you've posted with the 50 f/1.2 Nikon in the f/1.2 thread, which I like a lot. BTW, I've been able to get onion rings from the 50 Lux from extremely bright, small and distant out of focus specular light sources. It just doesn't seem to happen as easily as with some other aspherical lenses.

Contrary to what I post here, most of my client work is people related... so here are some from a visit with friends and their kids. For Michael - family photos with just 21 and 28mm I think all were wide open, but wasn't aiming for optimum bokeh potential. I like the 21 for this type of work because it lets me get in the middle of the action and work at very close distances.

28 Cron:
















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28 Cron:







May 03, 2012 at 04:18 PM
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p.468 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ryan, Michael and Ron, thank you for your comments
Ryan, very neat set, love the last shot!!
Michael, really nice shot of your son!
Ron, very cool set of shots! Who said the M9 can't be used as a P&S



May 03, 2012 at 07:53 PM
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Wow I disappear for a few days and loads of great photos!

Ron, back on pg 406 your shot with the chair really shows the slight swirl bokeh of the summarit 5cmm. It seems to display different bokeh at different distances. The sign picture shows a funky image , while the infinity shots seen very 3d.

Your 28 'cron portrait of the retired colleague is outstanding!

I find the nikkor has a zeiss like rendering, again 3d, lots of contrast.

Nice angle on the door, I wonder if the lady that lives there (remember her?) knows if her door has been viewed all over the world
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Charles, thank you for posting the noctilux shots, it is very tempting. please post more! The lens seems to show very smooth forground bokeh ,and somewhat busier background bokeh, would you agree with this?
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Hilmar, I like the last portrait shot in your 50mm Summicron rigid series, the flare is wonderful. A nice high key image.
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Ryan, your 70mm 'lux beach shots are great, tough to get a good exposure with the white sand. But you nailed it.

In your set with the grey wall, #1 & 4 really work for me.
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Micheal, thanks for posting the V1 images, its nice to see the lens used so well. Your son is very camera friendly, looks like he is used to being photographed by his Dad!










May 03, 2012 at 08:34 PM
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p.468 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Last of the series from my walk with Ron.















































































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May 03, 2012 at 08:40 PM
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p.468 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks for comments Gary, Ron, Charles, Andrew.

I am curious too about VC35 I and II difference. The only online review I can see is there is not much difference other than MFD. So My wild guess is VII will have better performance close to MFD.

Ron, I like the series. I can see it is a very happy family. You capture the mood and happiness of the family. Your friend is lucky with a friend like you with those awesome pictures. I especially like the one Mom play with the little one with toy car, very nice capture. And color and clarity are just right. Your shots keep reminding me I need a wide angle for my M.

Andrew, whole set are nice, I can't pick which one I like better. Maybe my favorite is the B&W tree shot.

Sarheat, welcome to thread. the first one is very nice. but what happen to the person's head at right background?

Here are few I never processed from SF beach.

First one is by 50lux







these two are by 90Elmarit

















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rscheffler wrote:
28 Cron:
http://ronscheffler.com/samples/fmm9/20120421/20120421_0008.jpg






May 04, 2012 at 03:06 AM
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p.468 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks guys!

Uzay: I wasn't going to include it, but then thought why not.. makes me laugh each time I see it.
Andrew: great set and I really like the last one. To me that's a classic angle/view at that cemetery. I think you're right about the Summarit 5cm at different distances. At close range and depending on the background it can look quite normal because even though it's kind of soft, sharpness is still pretty decent. At far distances though sharpness goes to pot (could be my copy) and it takes on a much more dreamy look, especially if there are nearer out of focus peripheral objects. The funky bokeh becomes much more evident with a mottled background with plenty of specular highlights.
Sarheat: wow, that's shallow depth of field on the first one! Any rangefinder calibration issues with that combo? I've heard it's not uncommon. Looking forward to seeing more.
Michael: I think the start high contrast look works well with these and I very much like the first one.

Still plugging away with the Nikkor 10.5cm. It seems to have a subtle, slightly soft quality at near minimum focusing distance, even if stopped down a fair amount. I think these were at f/8. Mind you I've mess around a bit in post as well. It's the same scene, slightly different angle, and one is flipped.












Andrew mentioned the Nikkor is kind of Zeissy. Some of the rendering characteristics might be similar, but it's not as high contrast a lens. What that means is more mid tone values to play with in post and cranking up the contrast isn't as risky as with modern glass. I again photographed the same scenes today with the Summarit and the 50 Lux, and the Lux images feel like they have extreme contrast. Almost feels too harsh in comparison. It's interesting to see this because I've generally only used modern lenses.

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