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p.460 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I am looking at adding one of the 90mm Leica lenses to my lineup. I am looking at the 90 cron but can't afford the newest ASPH APO version. What are the characteristics of some of the older variants? Aside from speed, is the Elmarit a solid performer? Any advice would be most appreciated.


Apr 10, 2012 at 09:17 PM
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p.460 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ryan and Michael, thanks guys
Ryan, very nice green series!
Nate, nice shot! Very peaceful composition
Michael, love these seaside shots!
Gary, I have had the 90 Elmarit, 90 Cron pre Asph and presently the 90 Cron AA. The two easiest lenses to focus were the 90 Elmarit and the 90 Cron pre Asph. The focus throw on the 90 Cron pre Asph, is a much better design than the later version. I have had my 90 Cron AA calibrated and checked, but it is not as accurate the 90 pre Asph, or the 75 Lux. With respect to rendering, I would definitely err to the 90 Cron pre Asph. Very nice lens IMO. The 90 Elmarit is light, ergonomic and very sharp, but the drawing style did not gel with me

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Apr 10, 2012 at 09:31 PM
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p.460 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks for the advice Charles - much appreciated. One from a walk with the kids on the weekend...



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Apr 10, 2012 at 10:14 PM
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p.460 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Charles, great stuff with the 75 Lux! I also really like the market photo from a couple pages back of the guys hanging around chatting - great layering and interest in that image!
bruniroquai - interesting selection from London - really does feel kind of bleak in the X1 series. The one of the guy grilling is my fav.
NomadicTy - congrats on the lens, looks good!
Gary, really like the last one here (though feels a bit magenta to me). Luka seems to have really liked the 90 Cron pre-AA rendering, though you will have to live with some CA IIRC... maybe he'll chime in. I went with the 90 Summarit because I got a reasonable price for a used one. I think the quality is pretty good from it, no real complaints other than the too fast focus throw.
Michael - I remember Ocean Beach from when I spent a couple weeks in SF back over 10 years ago... walked over to the Sutro Baths ruins, then up to Land's End to sit at the edge of the cliff, through Lincoln Park, past the Legion of Honor and over to the cemetery in the Presidio. I love the trees in the Presidio and the last one of yours here reminds me of them. Also very nice one of your son at night on a previous page.
Ryan - very nice green series as well as the one of your daughter. The 75 sure is impressive!
Nate - wonderful as always. Noticed you hooked up with Yanidel from his recent blog post - hope it was a good experience. I enjoy following both you guys.

Here are a few miscellaneous shots from a 30K running race recently:
































M9 & 28 Cron except 21 Lux for the middle two.



Apr 11, 2012 at 03:29 AM
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p.460 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Nate - wonderful as always. Noticed you hooked up with Yanidel from his recent blog post - hope it

Yeah, Yanick is a great guy!



Apr 11, 2012 at 03:32 AM
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p.460 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Great shot Gary, a little dark for me, but it does give it a mood.

Ron, great documentary work, nice story to the images.

Charles, cracking portrait as usual. The first one reminds me of Nate's stuff

Here are some fun shots from Easter Sunday. All 35 lux FLE wide open. A shame about that harsh bokeh right?





































Hmm colours look a little hot in google chrome, fine in lightroom though. Might be my laptop - thoughts?



Apr 11, 2012 at 06:34 AM
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p.460 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Michael, Charles, Ron

Nate - I like the composition in that shot

Michael - nice shots from up above . I like the look you are getting in #1

Gary - like the shot of the kid in the fields, nice look

Ron - great 30K series. A race I sure want NO part of . My favorite is #2....I like the 'Run like a racecar' sign too

Charles - great portrait of the monk

Dan - great Easter set. That harsh bokeh ruins just about every shot . I like the comp of the last shot of the car. The colors look fine to me in Safari

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75 Lux


















Apr 11, 2012 at 07:21 AM
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p.460 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Ryan big fan of your square verticals on those 24 elmar shots, very pleasing wide angle shots.


Apr 11, 2012 at 08:15 AM
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p.460 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks for the comments guys. The light was changing so fast (storm clouds, sun) and it was difficult to keep up with the lighting. Especially when my daughter is running full steam towards me! I am also struggling with getting accurate colors out of my M8. I have tried shooting JPG but the results are not really much better. I am always shooting DNG now but have not found a good workflow (in Lightroom). Do you all stick to a basic workflow with respect to color and WB adjustments? Is is better to these adjustments in a certain sequence?


Apr 11, 2012 at 10:00 AM
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p.460 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Gary, I saved a preset in LR after I settled on the general settings I liked for my M9 files, but use those as a starting point, since sometimes the preset is a bit hard (contrast) and I've found my tastes shifting a bit after 1.5 years with the M9. I would think you'd have more flexibility working with DNG files.

Generally I work from top to bottom in the LR adjustment panel, starting with white balance and working down. Regarding your images, I would agree with you that the colours/hues seem a bit different, but never having worked with a M8 or its files, I can only guess how it compares to the M9's colour handling. And I'm not sure if it's a WB thing, or odd hues. My impression though is your WB might tend a bit on the cool side with a magenta tint, at least for outdoor images. To complicate matters, I've found that each lens I've used on the M9 seems to have slightly different WB/tint characteristics, which also may be influenced (probably) by how, or if, it's coded. For example, the 28 Cron has a magenta tint relative the 50 Lux or 21 Lux. The ZM50P also is a touch magenta compared to the ZM35C, IIRC. And if some of the non-Leica lenses are shot uncoded, colour quality will be quite different. And, from what I've gleaned in your recent posts, you may not be consistently shooting with the IR filter on all your lenses, so wondering how that might affect things...

Maybe on a nice day, shoot something outside with a range of neutral tones and various colours, bring it into LR and start playing with it, such as tweaking the hue sliders for each colour to see how that affects the overall feel. Another area to look at is the Camera Calibration setting. Which process do you have it on (2010 I would assume) as well as profile? I tried the embedded profile (Leica's) but generally like Adobe's better, and leave it on Adobe Standard. Sometimes shifting a couple points on the Shadows slider can make a difference. For M9 images done indoors under tungsten lighting I played around with the Camera Calibration hue and saturation sliders until I was happier, but for most situation I leave those alone. It could be that for the M8 you might benefit from experimenting with these settings, but it will be a matter of trial and error I think, as well as personal preference.

Nice set Dan! I think the colours generally look good. Maybe the red T-shirt on the boy is a bit hot, but it could also be the so-so display on my laptop. Other than the size difference, do you see much of a difference with the 35 Lux FLE over the CV35 f/1.2 you had a while ago?

Ryan, thanks and love #3. Same here, no way I'd be able to run 30K, though walking would be OK. The amazing thing is there are always plenty of participants crossing the finish line you'd never think could run 30K...., which is either inspirational, or depressing, depending on your outlook.
Charles, thanks and really like the feel of the portrait.

Here are some more from the race, which finished inside an arena. These were in the area under the stands the runners filter through to pick up their post race awards and snacks, stretch and recuperate, etc.. I wandered through with the 21 Lux wide open to get more of a feel for how it works at isolating subjects from the background after my luck with it at the kids' hockey tournament. Didn't use the external finder, so it took a bit getting used to how close I had to be to adequately fill the frame for some of these, like within 4-5 feet, or closer.











































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p.460 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks for comments. Ron, Charles and Ryan.

Gary, I like my 90 Elmarit very much. But without knowing anything about both 90 cron, I can't offer you any insight about comparison. Based on limit usage on it, I feel it is very sharp lens with high contrast and CA is well controlled for a lens without APO. I use it mainly for landscape to complete my M kit. For the price(in Leica standard), this is a germ lens. I especially like the size of it. almost the same as 50lux. You can also share same set of 46mm filters with other lux, so it fulfill my need at this focal length. 90mm 2.5 is another option worth to think. Ron has many excellent pictures from it.

The picture of your daughter is excellent. A precious moment. You nail the focus. I agree with Dan, I would prefer it brighter. But has to agree this down to the personal preference. I viewed histogram of your photo, you can boost highlight/white a little more to increase DR/contrast a little more. LR4 is very good at it.

Have you tried Lightroom 4, it seems have a little bit better starting point than LR3 for color. I myself always struggle M9's color, it is not consistent and can go wild for AWB. I feel whenever I need correct WB a lot, I never get good looking color. So I no longer use AWB but use manual, daylight or cloudy depend on condition.

Ron, You seems know a lot more than I do about that area Shame. Me and my wife went SF very often before kids for shopping and concert. but never visit these scenic view points other than typical GGBridge. I was not into photography yet. Now we sure still go there often but mostly Zoo, Aquarium or park

A very good series. especially those outdoor pics, what a color and very impressive clarity. #5 is outstanding, the middle kid's eyes really draw my attention.

Charles, I like both of them. Especially the portrait.
Dan, Those 35lux pics looks very nice, I like the 2nd portrait and those 'luxury' car shots. It renders very similar to 50lux other than slightly lively OOF rendering. Can't comment color as I have a crap monitor in office.
Ryan, Nice 24 series. The number 2 stand out for me. Nice capture and PP.

Ron, I like your 2nd set a lot. All have great color, with just right about contrast. a long way for me to get those results. Do you do PP within LR, or in PS. Do you do step size sharpening for web?

EDIT----Post comments and correct tons of errors. Ron, we post almost at the same time.


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Apr 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM
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p.460 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Here are some from Easter weekend.
First, Ocean Beach all 90 Elmarit.















Now, two pics of my kids from SF Zoo. I seldom force them to pose for me. I like observe them, let them enjoy their time and capture the moment. 50lux.












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Apr 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM
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p.460 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks so much for the detail reply Ron. I will have to do some more experimenting. FYI - my last shot was with the 28 Elmarit ASPH which was coded and had UV/IR filter on...


Apr 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM
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p.460 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks to you as well Michael. I am using LR4 and will try to re-process this one tonight to see if I get better results. The thing that appeals to me about the 90 Elmarit is the size. I hear the 90 Cron is very big and heavy which is a slight negative for me. I am after sharp, contrasty images with slightly saturated color. Thanks again!


Apr 11, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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p.460 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Very nice set, Ron.


Apr 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM
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p.460 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


One more with M8 + Elmarit 28 ASPH.



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Apr 11, 2012 at 09:04 PM
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p.460 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Dan, Ryan, Ron and Michael, thanks guys
Dan, very nice Easter set. Love the rendering with the last shot! I do find with the 35 Lux FLE, that the reds/orange/yellows can be overly exaggerated. C1 Pro, seems to deal with this well, and LR4 is much better now. Oranges can still be an issue, but is easily fixed.

Ryan, really nice shots with 24 Elmar! Love the B&W shot

Ron, excellent series! I do prefer the rendering with the 21 Lux, over the 28 Cron IMO. Very nice sequence of shots and portraits!!

Michael, really like #1 and 2, and the portrait shots of your kids

Gary, nice shot! The 28 Elmarit is a great lens. This lens is amazing for B&W shots. I don't know why, but I just love the depth and detail in the B&W conversions.



Apr 11, 2012 at 09:25 PM
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p.460 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Charles, Michael and Hilmar.
Gary, yes, it's probably a matter of more experimentation. Great expressions in this image. Again to me it feels kind of reddish. If you'd be willing, I'd be curious to look at one of your DNGs to see for myself. Send me a PM if interested.

Michael, nice variety from the beach and particularly like the one of your daughter. To answer your question: I do all PP in LR3 whenever possible, which is 99% of the time. I output at full rez and use Photo Mechanic to do whatever resizes I need. Photo Mechanic not because it's anything special for resizing, but because it's what I have used for years prior to LR for browsing, culling and captioning/keywording images. It's a staple in photojournalism and is fast, but somewhat specialized. I tend to generate a lot of images, whether out for a photo walk or for jobs, and the extremely fast 100% previews with PM save me a lot of time compared to LR.

The disadvantage of PM for output is it only has a sharpening on/off option. Generally, for what I post here, sharpening is on and it's a one step jump from full rez to 1000 pixels wide. Depending on the subject content, such as lots of tree branches, PM's sharpening can sometimes be too strong. But for these images (and perhaps coincidental you should ask) I tried an intermediate reduction step with sharpening, then the final output with sharpening again. It seemed to work OK for the 21 Lux images but some of the 28 Cron were over sharpened, so I redid those with one stage of sharpening. The 21 Lux wide open isn't super sharp, so it seemed to withstand the double stage sharpening better, but some of the transitional areas sharpened more than I would have preferred. I could create a specialized stepped resize and sharpening routine for the web, but to be honest, don't have the inclination.

Prior to the M9 and transitioning to LR, I only used Canon equipment and used their DPP converter, which wasn't as full featured as LR, so it was always necessary to do the finishing touches in PS. I had a stack of actions I would run images through for the final effect I desired. LR lets me get close enough to that, therefore I no longer bother much with PS, though the downside is I've lost some proficiency with it. The benefit, IMO, of working in PS is gaining a better understanding of how to better effect a preconceived vision through various manual settings that are instead done less precisely with a slider or two in LR, and other apps. But I suppose that's relevant only if it interests you, otherwise it's much easier to work in LR.

Regarding that area of SF: I don't really know it well, just remember I enjoyed it during my visit. I had to retrace my footsteps with Google Maps to get the names for the various places, but it also refreshed my memories of the area. When you're there again, just walk up the sidewalk past the Cliffhouse and you'll see the Sutro Baths ruins down by the water. It might be something interesting for your kids to explore too... from what I recall, it wasn't too hazardous, so might be kid friendly to a degree. Otherwise, if there are good waves that day, you can sit at the edge of the cliffs at Lands End and watch them crash onto the rocks and walk the trail along the ridge towards China Beach. Definitely check out the Presidio if you have the chance. The light there can be amazing, especially if the mist/fog is drifting by while the sun is filtering through the trees, which themselves are very interesting, IMO. Unfortunately my images from that trip are all analog, sitting in negative binders waiting to see the light again...

Here's one, 50 Lux ASPH - a longtime family friend. I like the light here. Setting sun is the backlight, east facing window is the main light.








Apr 11, 2012 at 11:20 PM
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p.460 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ron, that is a very nice portrait. I like the lightning and her relaxed attitude.


Apr 12, 2012 at 01:45 AM
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p.460 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


How does one tell the difference between a v1 and v2 (FLE) of a 35 Summilux ASPH apart from looking up the serialnumber? (Yes, their might be a possibility for me to buy one used )


Apr 12, 2012 at 02:14 AM
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