burningheart wrote: Mitch Alland wroteI thought it worthwhile to post the color version as well.Worthwhile yes. After first look at both I favour the color one. On my computer the contrasting Blue and Orange with a little pink are excellent.
burningheart wrote:
Worthwhile yes. After first look at both I favour the color one. On my computer the contrasting Blue and Orange with a little pink are excellent. robgo2 wrote:
Agreed
Thanks. This is indeed my problem. In p.274 #9 I carefully laid out what I felt would be the point of departure for my next book project. This involved a general concept (images as "end of language" in the Zen/haiku sense of emptiness) and a visual concept (high contrast, reductionist B&W). Apart from that, I've often thought of shooting only B&W. But, then, seeing the colors like those of the fish above makes it impossible to ignore the color version.
This problem is still more extreme in that my visual point of departure is not only the high contrast B&W of Moriyama, but also the reductionist darkness of Paulo Nozolino, a still narrower range of B&W. It's hard to get a sense of Nozolino on the web, but the following exhibition walk-through video gives more of it than web images or even the twenty images in his book, Loaded Shine:
A few years ago, when I had both the M9 and the M-Monochrom, I shot with the two cameras in "binges" of a month or so each. But the problem of wanting to concentrate on B&W was still there. On balance, I'm happier in this respect with just the M10. This is where I keep on thinking about the M10-Monochrom. But I think the the 41 MP would push me away from the reductionist aspect that I want — I'd be pulled into "an excess" of beautiful details, the same way that I'm here pulled into color. In the end, I feel I need more discipline in this respect rather than needing the M9M.
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burningheart wrote: Mitch Alland wroteI thought it worthwhile to post the color version as well.Worthwhile yes. After first look at both I favour the color one. On my computer the contrasting Blue and Orange with a little pink are excellent.
With respect, no way! To my eye the colour image is a competent two-dimensional copy of objects (dead fish) that is completely devoid of the ambiguity, mystery, indeed the existential plight of the fish in the B&W photograph.
genji - I agree that the emotional and expressive impact of the B&W fish image is stronger. That is often, but not always, the case of B&W versus color. Nevertheless, the beauty of color often pulls me away from my purpose and I need more discipline not be sidetracked from what I want to do with the second book project. Of course a book can have both color and B&W — difficult to do while maintaining the impact.
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genji - Glad you did. Did you order it from Steidl? I'm amazed how Steidl offers free shipping anywhere in the world. Years ago, I picked up Nozolino's Penumbra book — the Steidl printing of Loaded Shine is much better. Please let me know your reaction to it when you get it, by PM if you wish.
As I said it's difficult to get a sense of Nozolino on the web. I respect that he has no web presence at all: no FaceBook, no Instagram, no website. He shoots only film: Tri-X, with an M6 and one lens. There is an hour-long discussion video between him and Spanish photographer Alberto García-Alix. It was at the Madrid photo festival two or three years ago. Garcia-Alix speaks in Spanish (English subtitles) and Nozolino, who is Portuguese, in English. In the video, Nozolino said he shoots very little, only 20 rolls a year. I thought that was an exaggeration, for effect; but in an interview I read subsequently, he said he sometimes has a roll of Tri-X in his camera for as long as three months. Gotta love a photographer who doesn't shoot 9 fps!
Nozolino does a workshop in Arles in April, most every year, I think. Here is the blurb for the workshop:
This workshop is not for digital photoshop liars, reportage, landscape or portrait photographers, conceptual artists or career seekers. It is a workshop for the unsure, the poets, the dreamers, all of those who feel they don’t fit in the system!
During the six day experience we will discuss content rather than form and how to make a coherent statement through sequencing for an exhibition, a portfolio or abook.
Using photography as a scalpel. Perform visual surgery into a make-believe world. Getting to some kind of personal visual truth. Work is about making things as simple as possible, using one camera, one lens, one eye and time to waste. Walking, thinking, talking.Photographs consist on making an attempt to get to the core of things, people and places, by contemplation and acute action, by reduction not accumulation....Show more →
I believe the original of this blurb is in French, which doesn't have quite have such a film chauvinist tone. I would translate the French text of first paragraph as follows: Landscape photographers, reportage photographers, portraitists and conceptual artists will abstain. Careerists and photoshop addicts will also pass by, as this workshop is not for them.
You can find an interview with Nozolino in English, but there are better ones in Portuguese. He vision is dark, dealing with death, decay and entropy of civilization, but I'm stating this glibly. One is often influenced by great photography, but I have not yet managed to do anything approaching his style in a meaningful way. But working with that in formulating a point of departure interests me.
However, there is one thing in which Nozolino has already effected me. You will have noticed that all of Loaded Shine is in vertical shots. Before I started going digital, initially by scanning film, at least ⅓-rd to ⅖-ths of my shots were in vertical format: simply because processing horizontal photos produces a much larger image on the screen. After I started looking at Nozolino, I started shooting more vertical shots.
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Mitch Alland wrote:
I would translate the French text of first paragraph as follows: Landscape photographers, reportage photographers, portraitists and conceptual artists will abstain. Careerists and photoshop addicts will also pass by, as this workshop is not for them.
Your translation is perfect. I do not understand how we go from "photoshop addicts" in french to "digital liars" in english. Or vice-versa.
Mitch Alland wrote: genji - Glad you did. Did you order it from Steidl? I'm amazed how Steidl offers free shipping anywhere in the world. Years ago, I picked up Nozolino's Penumbra book — the Steidl printing of Loaded Shine is much better. Please let me know your reaction to it when you get it, by PM if you wish.
As I said it's difficult to get a sense of Nozolino on the web. I respect that he has no web presence at all: no FaceBook, no Instagram, no website. He shoots only film: Tri-X, with an M6 and one lens. There is an hour-long discussion video between him and Spanish photographer Alberto García-Alix. It was at the Madrid photo festival two or three years ago. Garcia-Alix speaks in Spanish (English subtitles) and Nozolino, who is Portuguese, in English. In the video, Nozolino said he shoots very little, only 20 rolls a year. I thought that was an exaggeration, for effect; but in an interview I read subsequently, he said he sometimes has a roll of Tri-X in his camera for as long as three months. Gotta love a photographer who doesn't shoot 9 fps!
Nozolino does a workshop in Arles in April, most every year, I think. Here is the blurb for the workshop:
I believe the original of this blurb is in French, which doesn't have quite have such a film chauvinist tone. I would translate the French text of first paragraph as follows: Landscape photographers, reportage photographers, portraitists and conceptual artists will abstain. Careerists and photoshop addicts will also pass by, as this workshop is not for them.
You can find an interview with Nozolino in English, but there are better ones in Portuguese. He vision is dark, dealing with death, decay and entropy of civilization, but I'm stating this glibly. One is often influenced by great photography, but I have not yet managed to do anything approaching his style in a meaningful way. But working with that in formulating a point of departure interests me.
However, there is one thing in which Nozolino has already affected me. You will have noticed that all of Loaded Shine is in vertical shots. Before I started going digital, initially by scanning film, at least ⅓rd to 2/5ths of my shots were in vertical format: simply because processing horizontal photos produces a much larger image on the screen. After I started looking at Nozolino, I started shooting more vertical shots.
____________________ Frog Leaping photobook...Show more →Earlier quoteThis workshop is not for digital photoshop liars, reportage, landscape or portrait photographers, conceptual artists or career seekers. It is a workshop for the unsure, the poets, the dreamers, all of those who feel they don’t fit in the system!
During the six day experience we will discuss content rather than form and how to make a coherent statement through sequencing for an exhibition, a portfolio or abook.
Using photography as a scalpel. Perform visual surgery into a make-believe world. Getting to some kind of personal visual truth. Work is about making things as simple as possible, using one camera, one lens, one eye and time to waste. Walking, thinking, talking.Photographs consist on making an attempt to get to the core of things, people and places, by contemplation and acute action, by reduction not accumulation.
I ordered it from Book Depository. They too offer free shipping but also handle the Australian GST. I was surprised at how little it cost—about USD23. I’ll let you know when I receive it.