Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1233 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thank you Coogee for the recommendation. My wife is planning the trip so I will let her know 
As for approaching people, I fully understand what you say. I'm a shy person myself, and it takes me a lot of effort to get over this shyness, and some days are worse than others. I feel when I go out shooting with another photographer, it helps me a lot overcome my fear, and people are less suspicious too.
As for approaching people, I fully understand what you say. I'm a shy person myself, and it takes me a lot of effort to get over this shyness, and some days are worse than others. I feel when I go out shooting with another photographer, it helps me a lot overcome my fear, and people are less suspicious too.Nov 10, 2015 at 09:10 PM
p.1233 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
#1 of your last two = A+ Allen
Elk Gang by unoh7, 28/2
Naughty Bird by unoh7, 135/2.8
Yearling Elk Butt by unoh7, 135/2.8
Young Male by unoh7, 135/2.8
Last three with a lens I really have come to love, the v3 135/2.8 with goggles. This time of year it's often dark, and interesting things come into the yard
The M9 need speed when it's dim, and this lens provides decent speed, wonderful render, and good bokeh. I have many 135s: this and the APO Telyt are by far my favs
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Elk Gang by unoh7, 28/2
Naughty Bird by unoh7, 135/2.8
Yearling Elk Butt by unoh7, 135/2.8
Young Male by unoh7, 135/2.8
Last three with a lens I really have come to love, the v3 135/2.8 with goggles. This time of year it's often dark, and interesting things come into the yard
The M9 need speed when it's dim, and this lens provides decent speed, wonderful render, and good bokeh. I have many 135s: this and the APO Telyt are by far my favs Edited on Nov 10, 2015 at 09:18 PM · View previous versions
Nov 10, 2015 at 09:11 PM
p.1233 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
coogee wrote:
I'm not so comfortable getting in close to people. I tend to head for tourist spots where it's easier to blend in, or do the old 'concentrate intensely on some thing behind my subject' routine.
there's also the other classic routine: when you see someone interesting approaching put the camera to your eye and look up like you're shooting a roof top or something, then hold it in front of your face pointing forward like a p&s with your left hand shading your screen, like you just finished taking the picture and you're reviewing it. And then use your live view to take the picture
In reality though if someone is really interested in street they'd have to either become fairly thick skinned, in which case the camera doesnt even matter, or they'd be better off getting one of the fixed lens leaf shutter cameras than a Leica M.
I'm not so comfortable getting in close to people. I tend to head for tourist spots where it's easier to blend in, or do the old 'concentrate intensely on some thing behind my subject' routine.
there's also the other classic routine: when you see someone interesting approaching put the camera to your eye and look up like you're shooting a roof top or something, then hold it in front of your face pointing forward like a p&s with your left hand shading your screen, like you just finished taking the picture and you're reviewing it. And then use your live view to take the picture
In reality though if someone is really interested in street they'd have to either become fairly thick skinned, in which case the camera doesnt even matter, or they'd be better off getting one of the fixed lens leaf shutter cameras than a Leica M.
Nov 10, 2015 at 09:11 PM
p.1233 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
edwardkaraa wrote:
I'm a shy person myself, and it takes me a lot of effort to get over this shyness, and some days are worse than others. I feel when I go out shooting with another photographer, it helps me a lot overcome my fear, and people are less suspicious too.
that's why we have leicas, so when shooting street we can be both classy and discreet
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
I'm a shy person myself, and it takes me a lot of effort to get over this shyness, and some days are worse than others. I feel when I go out shooting with another photographer, it helps me a lot overcome my fear, and people are less suspicious too.
that's why we have leicas, so when shooting street we can be both classy and discreet
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
Nov 10, 2015 at 09:20 PM
p.1233 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Good sneaky advice
The Mandler 135/2.8 on M9
DSC06809-2 by unoh7, on Flickr
I guess there are some separation issues with some copies of this lens, and it may be one, like the 75 lux which must be cooked to get far inside, and people complain about the weight and the goggle alignment etc.....I think I paid around 390USD or even less and it works like a charm on the M9.
Bokeh:
Mandler 135 by unoh7, Wide open
I think I've bumped my M9 into perfect calibration with this thing
The Mandler 135/2.8 on M9
DSC06809-2 by unoh7, on Flickr
I guess there are some separation issues with some copies of this lens, and it may be one, like the 75 lux which must be cooked to get far inside, and people complain about the weight and the goggle alignment etc.....I think I paid around 390USD or even less and it works like a charm on the M9.
Bokeh:
Mandler 135 by unoh7, Wide open
I think I've bumped my M9 into perfect calibration with this thing
Nov 10, 2015 at 09:36 PM
p.1233 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
lol Spyro, that gave me a chuckle, you've made your camera almost invisible!
A waist level finder is appealing, then people are interested in what you're up to there and maybe more relaxed (I would be at least.) I do kind of like empty streets though, I get up early sometimes just to wander them!
This is more my kind of up close subject!
My kids aren't so lucky to escape me though of course!
A waist level finder is appealing, then people are interested in what you're up to there and maybe more relaxed (I would be at least.) I do kind of like empty streets though, I get up early sometimes just to wander them!
This is more my kind of up close subject!
My kids aren't so lucky to escape me though of course!
Nov 10, 2015 at 11:08 PM
p.1233 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Spyro P. wrote:
that's why we have leicas, so when shooting street we can be both classy and discreet
https://spyro-p.smugmug.com/Other/MP/i-ctkzvsV/0/X2/3-X2.jpg
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
That's actually a nice shot of you, Spyro You do look very Greek, no mistake about it
I am starting to find that taking street portraits is more rewarding than looking for the elusive "decisive moment". Of course, the difficulty is that it requires a certain level of cooperation from the subject, as most will cover their face or turn it away. But when it works, like in Allen's excellent set, it's very rewarding.
edwardkaraa wrote
I'm a shy person myself, and it takes me a lot of effort to get over this shyness, and some days are worse than others. I feel when I go out shooting with another photographer, it helps me a lot overcome my fear, and people are less suspicious too.https://spyro-p.smugmug.com/Other/MP/i-ctkzvsV/0/X2/3-X2.jpg
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
That's actually a nice shot of you, Spyro
You do look very Greek, no mistake about it I am starting to find that taking street portraits is more rewarding than looking for the elusive "decisive moment". Of course, the difficulty is that it requires a certain level of cooperation from the subject, as most will cover their face or turn it away. But when it works, like in Allen's excellent set, it's very rewarding.
Nov 10, 2015 at 11:10 PM
p.1233 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
yep, all greek here, and I cook a mean souvlaki too
thats why god put us on earth, to feed everybody*
*and destroy the european union
thats why god put us on earth, to feed everybody*
*and destroy the european union
Nov 10, 2015 at 11:14 PM
p.1233 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Spyro P. wrote:
yep, all greek here, and I cook a mean souvlaki too
thats why god put us on earth, to feed everybody*
*and destroy the european union
Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 PM
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p.1233 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
This is turning into a real comedy thread
(no emoticon for Ouzo sadly)
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Nov 11, 2015 at 01:20 AM
p.1233 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Spyro P. wrote:
that's why we have leicas, so when shooting street we can be both classy and discreet
https://spyro-p.smugmug.com/Other/MP/i-ctkzvsV/0/X2/3-X2.jpg
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
Your friend and his ginormous 'Canonikonax' are the perfect decoy for you to sneak in with your discrete M9/240 and snap whatever...I bet he didn't get that close to the girl's back with his 70-200...
edwardkaraa wrote
I'm a shy person myself, and it takes me a lot of effort to get over this shyness, and some days are worse than others. I feel when I go out shooting with another photographer, it helps me a lot overcome my fear, and people are less suspicious too.https://spyro-p.smugmug.com/Other/MP/i-ctkzvsV/0/X2/3-X2.jpg
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
Your friend and his ginormous 'Canonikonax' are the perfect decoy for you to sneak in with your discrete M9/240 and snap whatever...I bet he didn't get that close to the girl's back with his 70-200...
Nov 11, 2015 at 01:29 AM
p.1233 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Spyro P. wrote:
that's why we have leicas, so when shooting street we can be both classy and discreet
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
Love that photo of you. I barely even notice there's a Leica in your hand. Shooting with a 70-200 in the street I know well, but haven't done much recently. It just feels a lot more like stalking, and like Edward, I'm already uncomfortable enough of the time with trying to get something of other people. After some negative reaction/experiences shooting events such as Fasching in Germany (with the DSLR and zoom), where many seem to prize personal privacy (Hilmar could explain the legal aspects of this better), despite being all decked out in masks and costumes and otherwise seemingly desiring 'look at me' attention, I just find it easier to deal with shooting a Leica, despite the relatively loud shutter (though the M240 is definitely better than the M9 era cameras). At least the camera is more charming than a massive DSLR/zoom outfit.
seekuh wrote:
Ron, the CV35/1.7 you are shooting with, is this the new Voigtländer lens? The photos have a 3D look to me.
rscheffler wrote:
Hi Hilmar, thanks! Yes it is the new one.
For the price, it's a very good lens and optically I can't complain too much about it. But it's not perfect. It lacks some Leica M haptic qualities, such as focus feel, due to the lack of focusing tab, which I definitely miss. The lack of the red dot to assist mounting also causes me to lose time when changing lenses, trying to determine the correct orientation. This isn't a problem with Leica lenses, in part due to the focusing tab always being in one general area, and the rectangular hoods...Show more →
seekuh wrote:
The lens seems to be perfect value for money to me. I had the possibility to try it out for a very short time. I really liked it. I had the impression though that the darker tones are relatively dark compared to modern Leica lenses (blacks seemed to clip rather quickly) and I had the feeling that in comparison to the Summilux 35 the lens required a considerably longer exposure time to have the image exposed properly (I've taken into account that this is a 1.7 aperture wide open, of course). Do you agree with my findings?
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From my brief technical tests with the Ultron, I believe it's realistically more an f/2 lens. At f/1.7, only the very central zone is slightly brighter compared to setting the aperture at f/2. The mid and outer zones are about identical at f/1.7 and f/2. So I don't doubt you found it to be somewhat darker. I haven't noticed a problem of faster black clipping, but perhaps somewhat also related to your findings of it being a dark lens, I noticed I could overexpose it a bit more than some Leica glass without clipping highlights, maybe about a half stop. Another lens I find somewhat dark is the 28 Cron... maybe almost a half stop compared to my other Leica lenses. Maybe it's the persistent vignetting, which is also a characteristic of the Utron.
As for rendering vs. the 35 Lux ASPH models, I can't say because I have no first-hand experience with those. But compared to the 28 Cron, I don't feel the Ultron is as high contrast or as much color richness.
that's why we have leicas, so when shooting street we can be both classy and discreet
yes, this is really me, sadly
my shooting buddy took that photo of me, he shoots street with his ginormous Nikon with a 70-200/2.8 bolted on. Funny thing is, he always comes back with a bunch of interesting street portraits, and I spent 3 hours shooting that day and only had this shitty photo of someone's back to show for it
Love that photo of you. I barely even notice there's a Leica in your hand. Shooting with a 70-200 in the street I know well, but haven't done much recently. It just feels a lot more like stalking, and like Edward, I'm already uncomfortable enough of the time with trying to get something of other people. After some negative reaction/experiences shooting events such as Fasching in Germany (with the DSLR and zoom), where many seem to prize personal privacy (Hilmar could explain the legal aspects of this better), despite being all decked out in masks and costumes and otherwise seemingly desiring 'look at me' attention, I just find it easier to deal with shooting a Leica, despite the relatively loud shutter (though the M240 is definitely better than the M9 era cameras). At least the camera is more charming than a massive DSLR/zoom outfit.
seekuh wrote:
Ron, the CV35/1.7 you are shooting with, is this the new Voigtländer lens? The photos have a 3D look to me.
rscheffler wrote:
Hi Hilmar, thanks! Yes it is the new one.
For the price, it's a very good lens and optically I can't complain too much about it. But it's not perfect. It lacks some Leica M haptic qualities, such as focus feel, due to the lack of focusing tab, which I definitely miss. The lack of the red dot to assist mounting also causes me to lose time when changing lenses, trying to determine the correct orientation. This isn't a problem with Leica lenses, in part due to the focusing tab always being in one general area, and the rectangular hoods...Show more →
seekuh wrote:
The lens seems to be perfect value for money to me. I had the possibility to try it out for a very short time. I really liked it. I had the impression though that the darker tones are relatively dark compared to modern Leica lenses (blacks seemed to clip rather quickly) and I had the feeling that in comparison to the Summilux 35 the lens required a considerably longer exposure time to have the image exposed properly (I've taken into account that this is a 1.7 aperture wide open, of course). Do you agree with my findings?
Edit: and it...Show more →
From my brief technical tests with the Ultron, I believe it's realistically more an f/2 lens. At f/1.7, only the very central zone is slightly brighter compared to setting the aperture at f/2. The mid and outer zones are about identical at f/1.7 and f/2. So I don't doubt you found it to be somewhat darker. I haven't noticed a problem of faster black clipping, but perhaps somewhat also related to your findings of it being a dark lens, I noticed I could overexpose it a bit more than some Leica glass without clipping highlights, maybe about a half stop. Another lens I find somewhat dark is the 28 Cron... maybe almost a half stop compared to my other Leica lenses. Maybe it's the persistent vignetting, which is also a characteristic of the Utron.
As for rendering vs. the 35 Lux ASPH models, I can't say because I have no first-hand experience with those. But compared to the 28 Cron, I don't feel the Ultron is as high contrast or as much color richness.
Nov 11, 2015 at 01:57 AM
p.1233 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Well I've had all sorts of heated discussions in the street over the years with all sorts of people, from police to drunken bogans to concerned mothers, even with a lawyer who thought it was against his rights to take his photo.
That one was funny
"Dude, are you sure you're a lawyer?"
I don't care anymore, if you do this a lot I think it's inevitable that at some point you'll need to talk to people about what you're doing and why you're doing it. And really, how can I pretend to be doing some sort of "art project" about people or "documenting the human condition" and all that jazz that street photography is supposed to be about, while at the same time avoiding all communication with ... people? Not only it's borderline hypocritical but it's also totally counter productive, it's just doesn't work. So I just do it, I talk to people, before/during/after the photo, whatever works.
Having said all that, I do try to be fast and discreet because it's boring having the same discussion again. And I find most people couldn't actually care less what I do, as long as I get it over with quickly.
That one was funny
"Dude, are you sure you're a lawyer?"
I don't care anymore, if you do this a lot I think it's inevitable that at some point you'll need to talk to people about what you're doing and why you're doing it. And really, how can I pretend to be doing some sort of "art project" about people or "documenting the human condition" and all that jazz that street photography is supposed to be about, while at the same time avoiding all communication with ... people? Not only it's borderline hypocritical but it's also totally counter productive, it's just doesn't work. So I just do it, I talk to people, before/during/after the photo, whatever works.
Having said all that, I do try to be fast and discreet because it's boring having the same discussion again. And I find most people couldn't actually care less what I do, as long as I get it over with quickly.
Nov 11, 2015 at 03:27 AM
p.1233 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
If you shoot on the streets you are going have some issues from time to time. I think if you carry yourself like you belong there then you will have a lot less problems than if you a timid, sneaking around and acting like you don't belong there. When I'm on the streets I feel at home and alive. I interact when appropriate and if someone asks why I took their photograph I tell them I took it because I thought they looked interesting and were part of an interesting moment. I always think that images shot in close with a wide angle lens have a look, a depth and an intimacy that you just can't get from a block away with a 400mm lens.
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Nov 11, 2015 at 08:09 AM
p.1233 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rscheffler wrote:
From my brief technical tests with the Ultron, I believe it's realistically more an f/2 lens. At f/1.7, only the very central zone is slightly brighter compared to setting the aperture at f/2. The mid and outer zones are about identical at f/1.7 and f/2. So I don't doubt you found it to be somewhat darker. I haven't noticed a problem of faster black clipping, but perhaps somewhat also related to your findings of it being a dark lens, I noticed I could overexpose it a bit more than some Leica glass without clipping highlights, maybe about a half stop....Show more →
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the lens, Ron. It seems you disagree with everything I've said about the lens, which is not a problem at all. As already mentioned I only used it for a very limited time.
edit: right after writing this post I realized the lens profile correction in LR was turned off as I used the lens right after it being released so that at that time there was no profile offered. The profile correction removes quite a lot of the darker image and the heavy vignetting.
From my brief technical tests with the Ultron, I believe it's realistically more an f/2 lens. At f/1.7, only the very central zone is slightly brighter compared to setting the aperture at f/2. The mid and outer zones are about identical at f/1.7 and f/2. So I don't doubt you found it to be somewhat darker. I haven't noticed a problem of faster black clipping, but perhaps somewhat also related to your findings of it being a dark lens, I noticed I could overexpose it a bit more than some Leica glass without clipping highlights, maybe about a half stop....Show more →
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the lens, Ron. It seems you disagree with everything I've said about the lens, which is not a problem at all.
As already mentioned I only used it for a very limited time.edit: right after writing this post I realized the lens profile correction in LR was turned off as I used the lens right after it being released so that at that time there was no profile offered. The profile correction removes quite a lot of the darker image and the heavy vignetting.
Nov 11, 2015 at 08:45 AM
p.1233 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
airfrogusmc wrote:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Keys%202015/L1041758_zpsbvmnldyo.jpg
Superb! Curious what ISO was used Allen... Oops - couldn't get the pic to show. It's the second pic of your long set on the last page. The joker-type guy is super creapy and the grain really adds to the pic.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Keys%202015/L1041758_zpsbvmnldyo.jpg
Superb! Curious what ISO was used Allen... Oops - couldn't get the pic to show. It's the second pic of your long set on the last page. The joker-type guy is super creapy and the grain really adds to the pic.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:34 AM
p.1233 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Spyro P. wrote:
Well I've had all sorts of heated discussions in the street over the years with all sorts of people, from police to drunken bogans to concerned mothers, even with a lawyer who thought it was against his rights to take his photo.
That one was funny
"Dude, are you sure you're a lawyer?"
I don't care anymore, if you do this a lot I think it's inevitable that at some point you'll need to talk to people about what you're doing and why you're doing it. And really, how can I pretend to be doing some sort of "art project"...Show more →
I totally agree that if you're going to be photographing people you'll have to interact with people. And sometimes the interactions will be negative. I also believe that spending some time talking to people will allow for more intimate photos of them once they get over their initial mistrust. And a lot of times when I've done this, people are willing to go along with it. Obviously it's just not going to work if you're after that spontaneous image of them before they became aware of the camera. Or just as they became aware of it. That said, most of the time I'm not interested in starting a conversation and building a rapport, therefore I avoid interaction. Perhaps it's just a cop out to remain within my own comfort zone (or I'm anti-social, haha).
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seekuh wrote:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the lens, Ron. It seems you disagree with everything I've said about the lens, which is not a problem at all. As already mentioned I only used it for a very limited time.
edit: right after writing this post I realized the lens profile correction in LR was turned off as I used the lens right after it being released so that at that time there was no profile offered. The profile correction removes quite a lot of the darker image and the heavy vignetting.
Oh, that's good to know. I'm still using LR 5, so I guess would have to upgrade to 6 for the profiles? I doubt I will just for this. So far I've been pretty happy using it coded as the 35 Cron ASPH, which helps with some of the vignetting and the slight amount of color shift.
Well I've had all sorts of heated discussions in the street over the years with all sorts of people, from police to drunken bogans to concerned mothers, even with a lawyer who thought it was against his rights to take his photo.
That one was funny
"Dude, are you sure you're a lawyer?"
I don't care anymore, if you do this a lot I think it's inevitable that at some point you'll need to talk to people about what you're doing and why you're doing it. And really, how can I pretend to be doing some sort of "art project"...Show more →
I totally agree that if you're going to be photographing people you'll have to interact with people. And sometimes the interactions will be negative. I also believe that spending some time talking to people will allow for more intimate photos of them once they get over their initial mistrust. And a lot of times when I've done this, people are willing to go along with it. Obviously it's just not going to work if you're after that spontaneous image of them before they became aware of the camera. Or just as they became aware of it. That said, most of the time I'm not interested in starting a conversation and building a rapport, therefore I avoid interaction. Perhaps it's just a cop out to remain within my own comfort zone (or I'm anti-social, haha).
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seekuh wrote:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the lens, Ron. It seems you disagree with everything I've said about the lens, which is not a problem at all.
As already mentioned I only used it for a very limited time.edit: right after writing this post I realized the lens profile correction in LR was turned off as I used the lens right after it being released so that at that time there was no profile offered. The profile correction removes quite a lot of the darker image and the heavy vignetting.
Oh, that's good to know. I'm still using LR 5, so I guess would have to upgrade to 6 for the profiles? I doubt I will just for this. So far I've been pretty happy using it coded as the 35 Cron ASPH, which helps with some of the vignetting and the slight amount of color shift.
Nov 11, 2015 at 10:43 AM
p.1233 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
Superb! Curious what ISO was used Allen... Oops - couldn't get the pic to show. It's the second pic of your long set on the last page. The joker-type guy is super creapy and the grain really adds to the pic.
10,000 ISO Gary and thanks.
airfrogusmc wrote
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Keys%202015/L1041758_zpsbvmnldyo.jpg10,000 ISO Gary and thanks.
Nov 11, 2015 at 11:14 AM