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p.109 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


charles.K wrote:
Really look forward to your first shots with the 35 Summilux Asph II. I am still waiting, maybe this week stock will be available


No, Charles, I'm currently leaning towards not getting it. As it has turned up in stock here in Sweden it's reasonable to assume that the Leica carrier pigeons will reach Australia soon. It's very likely I'll be enjoying your 35 Lux shots much sooner than the other way around

By the way, I think that should actually be the 35 Summilux Asph III. There have been two earlier versions:

1990 ->1994: First ASPH. Two aspherical surfaces.
1994->2010: Second ASPH. One aspherical surface.
2010->: Third ASPH. One aspherical surface + floating element.



Nov 21, 2010 at 06:03 AM
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p.109 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Great photos of the teracotta figures Luka. Erwin Puts also has a write-up on Zeiss lenses, http://www.imx.nl/photo/zeiss/zeiss/page65.html




Nov 21, 2010 at 06:16 AM
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p.109 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


denoir wrote:
At medium distances (and far distances as well) it can produce really traditional Zeiss rendering:

http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/zm35-17.jpg



The rendering in this image looks really great with lots of 3D. If every picture with the 35ZM would look like this, I would immediately buy this lens.

Boris



Nov 21, 2010 at 06:26 AM
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p.109 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Joakim!

Boris, yes, at that distance it is classic Zeiss rendering. It's near MFD that things become weird, contrast drops etc. At infinity it's OK.




Nov 21, 2010 at 08:53 AM
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p.109 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


h00ligan wrote:
To topic: JOE I love that second to last shot.


Thanks!

charles.K wrote:
Joe, great shots! Excellent colour, feel and rendering #2 and 3, interesting composition with the muted colours are my favourites.


Thanks Charles Yes, I quite like this lens, its over 40 years old, not the sharpest 50Cron but renders like a Leica (to me). Not the first time I coded wrongly, but its not bad at all, except that it does not correct vignetting much and its quite apparent with white walls.

denoir wrote:
Great shots with the 50 Cron! I really like the rendering of that lens.


Thanks Luka and nice shots from this page

adamdewilde wrote

Looks like you're in Malacca.. Am I correct?


Actually, around Petaling Street, Kuala Lumpur. The older buildings does make it like Malacca. Have you traveled up to take some pics lately?

Joe



Nov 21, 2010 at 08:57 AM
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p.109 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


A few more 50CronV3 from MFA Boston yesterday. Thanks for looking.

Joe




















Nov 21, 2010 at 09:02 AM
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p.109 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


the last photo is just great Joe!


Nov 21, 2010 at 09:16 AM
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p.109 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


joakim wrote:
the last photo is just great Joe!


+1. And I like the first....though I feel it could benefit from a tighter crop



Nov 21, 2010 at 09:26 AM
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p.109 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Joakim and Ryan


Nov 21, 2010 at 09:36 AM
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p.109 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


denoir wrote:
No, Charles, I'm currently leaning towards not getting it. As it has turned up in stock here in Sweden it's reasonable to assume that the Leica carrier pigeons will reach Australia soon. It's very likely I'll be enjoying your 35 Lux shots much sooner than the other way around

By the way, I think that should actually be the 35 Summilux Asph III. There have been two earlier versions:

1990 ->1994: First ASPH. Two aspherical surfaces.
1994->2010: Second ASPH. One aspherical surface.
2010->: Third ASPH. One aspherical surface + floating element.


The first one is not an ASPH. It is known simply as 35 Summilux F1.4 "Aspherical". Very limited production, and probably as expensive as the M9 now. Maybe Carsten can chip in with some info?



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p.109 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


You're right Joe, the first "Aspherical" lux has two hand ground aspherical surfaces. The second and third "ASPH" versions use molded aspherics and the latest version has a floating element.

IMHO, having read several comparisons and Sean Reid's excellent side-by-side of the new vs old, I think that the new one still suffers from focus shift, albeit to a slightly lesser degree. His comparisons also showed less CA and fringing from the older version, what we may be seeing is lenses leaving the factory with very slight front focus wide-open to partially negate the still-present (but reduced) focus shift.

The only reasons to go for the "Aspherical" version is a) if you're a collector b) you cannot stand the very slight 'onion-ring' effect that rarely occurs in the bokeh of lenses featuring molded aspherics. I remember seeing a comparison that showed the ASPH being slightly superior to the Aspherical 35mm lux.



Nov 21, 2010 at 09:59 AM
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p.109 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Nice shots Joe and cool cat Joakim


joe88 wrote:
The first one is not an ASPH. It is known simply as 35 Summilux F1.4 "Aspherical". Very limited production, and probably as expensive as the M9 now. Maybe Carsten can chip in with some info?


Interesting, I didn't know that "ASPH" referred to specific aspherical models and not others. In that case Charles is right and the new lens is the Summilux-M 35/1.4 ASPH II.



Nov 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM
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p.109 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


denoir wrote:
Yep, it's very long and blocks a significant part of the viewfinder. At the same time the rendering may be exactly what I'm looking for. I'll always prefer interesting rendering over raw optical performance.


It is hard to be sure, but I have a hunch that the CV35/1.2 is not your kind of lens. The rendering is nice, but not all that special, and anywhere near wide open, it lacks contrast. No 3D either, that I have ever seen.

I think it is hard to judge a lens based on small web images, but if you do judge, you should give more weight to the best images you see, rather than the worst. It sounds a bit unfriendly to phrase it like this, but few people ar capable of getting the best from a lens, but clearly you can. This would go both for the CV35/1.2 and the 35 Lux ASPH II.



Nov 21, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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p.109 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


carstenw wrote:
I think it is hard to judge a lens based on small web images, but if you do judge, you should give more weight to the best images you see, rather than the worst.


I agree with you Carsten. If I see, even on the Web, a picture with a feature I truly like, then the system that captured it must be capable of it. If I see a picture that is "bad", it does not mean that the system is necessarily "bad". Thus, in this instance, and somewhat counterintuitively, trusting what is good rather than what is bad is correct.



Nov 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM
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p.109 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, as Joe and Daniel have pointed out, the first 35Lux was labelled "Aspherical", whereas every Leica lens with aspherical elements since then has been labelled "ASPH.". The first one has a design very close to the second one, almost identical, but as Daniel pointed out, the aspherical elements were hand-ground, and even brand-new, it was unusually expensive. Now it makes no sense unless money has little value and a great presence in your life

Because of the hand-ground elements, there was also a greater than usual variance in the results, which is the second reason why the second version was designed, the first being cost. The legend goes that if you find a good Aspherical, it is better than the ASPH, but all comparisons I have seen (which is admittedly very few), show that the higher consistency of the ASPH I beats out the Aspherical slightly, in all areas.

In the last few years, pretty much every 35 Lux ASPH I I have tried or have seen tests of has shown non-trivial focus shift. Tim Ashley over on l-camera-forum was the first to document it carefully, and he unfortunately received a fair amount of flack from a number of people who had owned them for years and never noticed. I went to the Leica store here (Meister Camera Berlin) and tried the new one on their shelf, and it showed dramatic focus shift. The sales staff had heard of it in the internet, but had never seen it, and their faces dropped when I was able to provoke it with ease. I just put my M8 on a tripod, focused on a specific object at about 1.5m and took two shots, one at f/1.4 and one at f/4. The one at f/1.4 was sharp, the one at f/4 was quite unsharp, as in unusable. It is apparently possible to make a small focus tweak to compensate, but the learning curve would be rather steep for getting it exactly right at all distances.

There are good copies of the 35 Lux ASPH out there, and they tend to be either a little older, or the chrome or titanium versions, which are made from brass rather than aluminium alloy. It is a rather good lens if you can find one. I have a chrome copy myself, with almost no focus shift, if any, and treasure it on my M8, where it is my most used lens. 35mm isn't really my focal length though, so once I get an M9 or M10, I might sell it and invest elsewhere. 21/28/50/90 is for me perfect. I might invest in a 21 Lux, or just get the 21 Elmarit ASPH or the ZM21. I haven't decided yet.



Nov 21, 2010 at 11:06 AM
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p.109 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Here is a photo of my M8 with my chrome 35 Lux ASPH, taken with a Contax 645 and Sinar e54LV. I swapped my red dot for a black one, and use a black baseplate. The strap is black leather, unadjustable, and was commissioned from Luigi Crescenza, of Leicatime. It is exactly 90cm long, which I settled on after much experimentation. If you know exactly what length you prefer, there is no need for all the adjustment crap on the strap








Nov 21, 2010 at 11:13 AM
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p.109 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Carsten, you may be right about the CV 35/1.2. What I have seen is some very interesting bokeh from it taken at/near MFD. It's one thing that I miss when using the M9. All the lenses I have seem to be really good at medium distances but essentially crap out at MFD. Of course a lot of it is down to personal taste but I have both Zeiss and non-Zeiss lenses for my 5DII that I really like at close distances. 3D and high contrast are not too important for such images.

You are right about the danger of just looking at random sample photos as the average quality will not be equal to what the lens is capable of. The thing is that for my 5DII I almost exclusively got a lens after being very impressed by samples I've seen. There was always a "wow, that's awesome rendering" moment. With my M9 I've had a much more pragmatic approach as in: "I need X,Y and Z focal lengths for my kit". The 35 Lux ASPH II risks of falling into that category. I have not seen anything that would make me to really fall in love with the rendering. I have seen some great photos with it and examples of rendering that I like, but nothing that has floored me. It is of course deeply unfair as I'm now comparing it to some awesome lenses while when I started using alt lenses I compared them to mediocre Canon lenses.. But still, given the price I'm not sure if it would be wise to get it. I would for instance like to get to know my 75 Cron a bit more before getting more modern Leica glass. The only problem is that it's either now or I'll have to wait at least six months before they get the next batch of lenses...

Thanks for the 35 lux Aspherical/ASPH history lesson! Very interesting.



Nov 21, 2010 at 11:32 AM
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p.109 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Nice cat shot, Joakim

Daniel & Carsten, thanks for sharing the detailed info on the 35Lux.

BTW, Carsten nice picture of your M8. I like how you customize it with the black dot, strap and base plate. If I recall correctly, this is your first pic post on this thread? Congrats, hehe!

Joe



Nov 21, 2010 at 11:41 AM
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p.109 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Digging through the recent archive... a couple of 75 Cron shots:




















Nov 21, 2010 at 11:56 AM
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p.109 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, Like #1 and #3. highlights and OOF region in #2 makes me dizzy

and btw, thanks for the comments last page



Nov 21, 2010 at 12:04 PM
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